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Katana Gomai posted:This is a problem because a scale of 0~10 has an average of 5 so 7~8 is....wait, above average? Those darn journos using numbers the way they're supposed to work! This isn't how it works in practice though, 7 is thoroughly average because games never get below that unless the reviewer thinks they are actual steaming turds. Reviewers aren't suddenly changing the way they rate games just for Zelda Hyrule Warriors. If you want to nitpick yeah I'm sure there's a ton of shovelware bringing the literal average score down, but in terms of games that a sane person would realistically consider buying, 7 is pretty mediocre. Of course gaming journalism is poo poo and a single number tells you nothing about a game, impressions and qualitative descriptions are much more valuable, so who cares.
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Word of advice! If you purchase 3D World and beat it, don't make my mistake and purchase New Super Mario Bros Wii U afterwards. 3D World not only looks and sounds 10x better, it feels better and has much tighter controls. 3D World basically makes New obsolete in every way.
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Polo-Rican posted:Word of advice! If you purchase 3D World and beat it, don't make my mistake and purchase New Super Mario Bros Wii U afterwards. 3D World not only looks and sounds 10x better, it feels better and has much tighter controls. 3D World basically makes New obsolete in every way.
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Sep 19, 2014 14:47
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I can't get into NSMBU just because I freaking hate the controls. They feel so unresponsive compared to SM3DW (and any of the other non-NSMB games, honestly).
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Sep 19, 2014 14:56
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I never thought NSMBU's controls were bad. It just isn't as fun as 3D.
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The worst part about the Hyrule Warriors reviews are how much time the reviewer has spent in each one I've read seemingly shocked that it isn't a Zelda game or a perfect hybrid of Zelda gameplay and Dynasty Warriors gameplay. It's been pretty obvious from day one that this was, just like every other IP used for a Dynasty Warriors game, just a Zelda skin on DW gameplay.FPzero posted:I'm surprised that Super Metroid isn't also on sale. They didn't have Super Mario World on sale during the Mario week either. So at least they are keeping with the norm here.
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Asnorban posted:The worst part about the Hyrule Warriors reviews are how much time the reviewer has spent in each one I've read seemingly shocked that it isn't a Zelda game or a perfect hybrid of Zelda gameplay and Dynasty Warriors gameplay. It's been pretty obvious from day one that this was, just like every other IP used for a Dynasty Warriors game, just a Zelda skin on DW gameplay. Haha, yeah. It's like they were secretly thinking "the dungeon puzzles must not be in this trailer either."
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Sep 19, 2014 15:45
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The Team Ninja guy wanted to make something closer to a traditional Zelda game but Miyamoto intervened and told them to stick to the template.
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Sep 19, 2014 15:48
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homeless snail posted:Reviews for Musou games are always garbage cause reviewers are lazy and never play them on the difficulties that force you to engage with their mechanics. Does this mean I should be playing on hard rather than normal to get the Real Dynasty Warriors Experience? I've beat the first four stages so far and only died once, on the fourth boss. Never played one of these before.
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Sep 19, 2014 16:09
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I've always found Hard to be an unfun slog in DW games, also most of them assume you're bringing levelled characters to the higher difficulties so starting off on them is usually a bad idea.
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Asnorban posted:The worst part about the Hyrule Warriors reviews are how much time the reviewer has spent in each one I've read seemingly shocked that it isn't a Zelda game or a perfect hybrid of Zelda gameplay and Dynasty Warriors gameplay. It's been pretty obvious from day one that this was, just like every other IP used for a Dynasty Warriors game, just a Zelda skin on DW gameplay. You know what, though? That's a perfectly valid reason to give it a middling review because Musou gameplay is really dumb and bad. Just because I'm going to buy it anyway, because that's exactly what I want and expect out of it, doesn't make it any better or excuse it for being dumb and bad.
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So I'm still playing my way through all the main mario games, and I tried out Mario 64 ds on my new 2ds and the circle pad control just isn't doing it for me. So I boot up my Wii in the Wii U and I have 200 points from my old console I totally forgot about! Yay! Virtual Console Mario here we go! Except Mario 64 requires 1000 points, and you can only add points in ten dollar increments. Eat all the dicks, Nintendo.
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RyokoTK posted:You know what, though? That's a perfectly valid reason to give it a middling review because Musou gameplay is really dumb and bad. Musou gameplay isn't particularly dumb and bad in the games that are well made. It's simplistic but that isn't the same thing. It basically is filling the same niche as Diablo but with slightly more technical combat and less pure stats. It's button-mashy-kill-lots-of-dudes gameplay but it is neither the first nor last franchise to end up like that. I mean there is not that big a gap between something like Borderlands or Diablo and Musou. You begin with simple characters who level up and gain new abilities and skills while tearing through huge swarms of enemies with the end-game focus being getting a whole fuckin' lot of loot, hopefully with rare skills or abilities. The relative simplicity of the games is pretty much on the same level. I'd argue that Diablo III is simpler than several Musou games even. ImpAtom fucked around with this message at 17:01 on Sep 19, 2014 |
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RyokoTK posted:You know what, though? That's a perfectly valid reason to give it a middling review because Musou gameplay is really dumb and bad. What I'm talking about would be more like them spending a lot of a Mario Golf review complaining that the game is a golf game and not a typical platforming Mario game. I don't really care what scores they give it, it just bothers me how so many of the reviews seemed to have a misconception about what type of game it was in the first place.
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Silver Falcon posted:Seriously, I'm going to get the game, but you can bet I'll be putting in big bold letters on my Club Nintendo survey, "WHERE IS GROOSE?!" He's loose. PaletteSwappedNinja posted:The Team Ninja guy wanted to make something closer to a traditional Zelda game but Miyamoto intervened and told them to stick to the template. In fairness, in Team Ninja's plan Zelda would collapse to the ground crying when she encountered Gohma and then turns into a little girl as part of the least subtle metaphor possible. It's probably for the best that they stuck to regular Musou game play.
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Random Stranger posted:In fairness, in Team Ninja's plan Zelda would collapse to the ground crying when she encountered Gohma and then turns into a little girl as part of the least subtle metaphor possible. It's probably for the best that they stuck to regular Musou game play. Actually, that wasn't Team Ninja's fault. That was all Yoshio Sakamoto's doing.
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Neddy Seagoon posted:Actually, that wasn't Team Ninja's fault. That was all Yoshio Sakamoto's doing. The Assassination of Samus Aran by the Coward Yoshio Sakamoto.
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Neddy Seagoon posted:Actually, that wasn't Team Ninja's fault. That was all Yoshio Sakamoto's doing. I know, but Team Ninja was responsible for how lovely the gameplay was in Other M so they can share the blame for everything else in it.
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Sep 19, 2014 17:26
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Random Stranger posted:I know, but Team Ninja was responsible for how lovely the gameplay was in Other M so they can share the blame for everything else in it. Wasn't a good chunk of that (like Wiimote with no extensions for the only control method) at his demand?
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Sep 19, 2014 17:27
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Woah wait hold on. Team Ninja worked on Hyrule Warriors? Please tell me it was their art guys and nobody else.
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Sep 19, 2014 17:29
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Omega Force made it with assistance from Team Ninja, which is generally a pretty good thing because Warriors games have been getting a lot more action-y since the Koei Tecmo merger.
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ChaosArgate posted:Wasn't a good chunk of that (like Wiimote with no extensions for the only control method) at his demand? Yup.
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Kaubocks posted:Woah wait hold on. Team Ninja worked on Hyrule Warriors? 
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Sep 19, 2014 17:35
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Those are nice breasts on that video game character.
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I assume I have Team Ninja to thank for combat with officers being more about dodging and attacking when they're vulnerable, instead of just trying to get the first hit in and hoping I can juggle them to death. Also fights against large enemies that aren't loving terrible (DW Gundams  ).
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Wait nevermind I always mix up Team Ninja and Ninja Theory.
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enojy posted:I agree. There's only 1 or 2 actual bad scores so far on Metacritic. I'm just taken aback a lil bit, because I'm used to the Zelda name going a long way when it comes to review impressions. It probably is. Musou games traditionally get ripped apart pretty badly by critics in the West, although Warriors Orochi 3 and Dynasty Warriors 7/8 seemed to find a way to rise above enough to get the nod. I would fully expect Hyrule Warriors to get something like a 5 or 6 almost regardless of merit if the Zelda skin wasn't laid on it unless it was some new grand revolution to the Musou/Warriors games (it isn't.)
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Kaubocks posted:Wait nevermind I always mix up Team Ninja and Ninja Theory. The pneumonic device I use for this confusion is to remember that Team Ninja made the Ninja Gaiden games while Ninja Theory is loving awful.
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Neo Rasa posted:The pneumonic device I use for this confusion is to remember that Team Ninja made the Ninja Gaiden games while Ninja Theory is loving awful. That's not a
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Katana Gomai posted:That's not a Their characters are pneumatic, though.
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As someone who never wanted to play Dynasty Warriors because the theme combined with the combat style didn't interest me at all, and as someone who likes the Zelda IP but has not played most of the games I am pleased to announce that Hyrule Warriors has been pretty fun so far. The Zelda skin does a lot for making the combat feel more fun, the whole aesthetic is nice, and levels are pretty long.
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Neo Rasa posted:The pneumonic device I use for this confusion is to remember that Team Ninja made the Ninja Gaiden games while Ninja Theory is loving awful. Of course, in Canada the whole thing is flip-flopped.
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Wait did Hyrule Warriors release today in NA? I've totally not been paying attention to its release date. If so, I know what I'm downloading tonight!
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FPzero posted:Wait did Hyrule Warriors release today in NA? I've totally not been paying attention to its release date. If so, I know what I'm downloading tonight!
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FPzero posted:Wait did Hyrule Warriors release today in NA? I've totally not been paying attention to its release date. If so, I know what I'm downloading tonight! One week. The renewed attention is likely because of that.
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Katana Gomai posted:That's not a Sorry here's a better example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1okpAj7Fhw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sE5L3WVIGW8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_TbmcgGsXyU
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Thanks club nintendo!
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Long John Power posted:Thanks club nintendo! Forever bitter about boring digital prizes 
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Kilometers Davis posted:Forever bitter about boring digital prizes Yeah, why give out video games to people who like video games? I guess this has to be a Nintendo fan thing, but I would much rather have free games than a stuffed animal.
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