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Sunset posted:Nice apologism. The only reason the 35 feet was brought up in the first place was as a PR move, the police are clearly being overly protectionist of the officer, and, with my current understanding of the facts of the case, I think it's incredibly unlikely that Brown's killing wasn't a crime of some sort, and I'm leaning towards murder rather some form of manslaughter (though I would want the real reconstruction of events to be presented in court before I'd be willing to make that call definitively). I'm not a supporter of the actions of this police force, I'm just not sure what they said is technically a "bald-faced lie", because I have no idea how they were intending to use the words "scene" or "the shooting" in their statement. Upon trying to actually reason through what they were trying to say, I have no idea what the sentence means because it was worded so stupidly. The fact remains that there wasn't any reason for them to bring it up AT ALL except to make the use of force sound justified, which is ridiculous protectionism. Just because I don't believe that every point that is demonizing the police force is definitely accurate doesn't mean I want them to get medals for killing this dangerous criminal god drat.
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theflyingorc posted:*sigh* Hey, if that's the case then I really do apologize for taking your post in the wrong light. If you had added a bit more initially like you did here, I'd have been a lot less likely to think you were being dismissive. I'm just really disheartened that much is going to come from any of this. I'd like to think that one day we'll all stop hating each other though.
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You should, by default, assume the police to be lying about anything and everything. edit: lol at my new title
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Sep 19, 2014 19:33
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bassguitarhero you should also check out your video comments. You aren't black enough for this poo poo.
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Sep 19, 2014 19:36
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What did you do, BGH?
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Petr posted:It's pretty easy to determine who belongs to the first group. If a person complains about "Tumblr SJWs," using those terms, they are a person who complains about Tumblr SJWs. Pretty well-defined group. The bad thing that they are doing is complaining about Tumblr SJWs. Petr posted:Most people who complain about "Tumblr SJWs" would lump you in with them simply for talking about race. twodot fucked around with this message at 19:51 on Sep 19, 2014 |
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Sep 19, 2014 19:49
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Petr posted:What did you do, BGH? Pissed off a bunch of closet racist MRAs
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bassguitarhero posted:Pissed off a bunch of closet racist MRAs Wouldn't that make you a misandrist?
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bassguitarhero posted:Pissed off a bunch of closet racist MRAs Or SASS. They get a huge erection and $10's of dollars to spend when a minority gets killed. E: wait, you aren't black enough, according to a mostly-white Internet? Lmao
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I improved it. Trolls need to troll harder.Armani posted:Or SASS. They get a huge erection and $10's of dollars to spend when a minority gets killed. People troll however they can. Some person that follows me from gawker to the bold italic to youtube was writing, "Does this film assuage your half-white guilt?" And then I'm racist against white people. It's weird.
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Sep 19, 2014 19:59
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Who What Now posted:Wouldn't that make you a misandrist? You're giving MRAs too much credit. Or not enough if the "victim blaming" allegation is where someone tried claiming "I totally was raped by this drunk girl, I meant to try calming her down with those roofies" and BGH like a normal person was skeptical of that story and asked how a girl on roofies could overpower a 300-lb neckbeard and his fedora.
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MRAs really need to make up their minds about whether misogyny is real or not. I'm getting too dizzy for this.
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So bored of talking about Mike Brown that we're now just importing SASS/reddit drama.
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FAUXTON posted:You're giving MRAs too much credit. Because BGH surely knows GHB.
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Sep 19, 2014 20:36
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Jesus Christ. SO NO NEW NEWS ON THE MIKE BROWN CASE EH?
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Duke Igthorn posted:Jesus Christ. SO NO NEW NEWS ON THE MIKE BROWN CASE EH? You've successfully passed reading comprehension 101, congrats.
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I don't know much about handguns. Looking at the autopsy, is that an expected "spread" at 35 feet? 100? There's gotta be stress involved, so I'm not expecting all the wounds to be in a quarter size space, I was just wondering what someone that knew more than me thought about it. (Forgive the term "spread" if that's disrespectful to Brown, but I didn't know a better term.)
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Sep 19, 2014 22:11
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RodShaft posted:I don't know much about handguns. Looking at the autopsy, is that an expected "spread" at 35 feet? 100? It is remarkably accurate for a policeman.
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Neo Duckberg posted:It is remarkably accurate for a policeman.
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RodShaft posted:I don't know much about handguns. Looking at the autopsy, is that an expected "spread" at 35 feet? 100? There's really no way to create a general "expected spread" for every situation. Shooters, guns, and situations all have so many variables that a mathematician would commit suicide trying to figure it out. Some people have fired half a dozen rounds at a guy arm's length away and missed every single shot or only caused slight grazing wounds, while others have successfully put three rounds dead center from 50 feet. It all depends on the shooter, situation, and weapon. It would be remarkable to an unusual degree if Brown was in the middle of a gunfight with Wilson. It's not as unexpected if Brown was, say, surrendering and either standing still or slowly walking forwards to provide a barely moving target. It's even possible that some of those hits came from the initial shooting while Brown fled and Wilson took the time to aim, meaning fewer hits were made at 100 feet. It's pretty acceptable accuracy for someone who's not NYPD.
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The shooting happened 100ft from the SUV. Why anyone thinks this means the officer shot from 100 feet is beyond me - all the witnesses have him chasing after/close to Brown. This was pointed out two pages ago.
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twodot posted:The group is easy to define, but it's obvious that complaining isn't the bad thing they are doing: SJW is just the latest way to "politely" call someone a race traitor.
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Hodgepodge posted:SJW is just the latest way to "politely" call someone a race traitor. Not fair! (sometimes it means gender traitor)
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Choadmaster posted:The shooting happened 100ft from the SUV. Why anyone thinks this means the officer shot from 100 feet is beyond me - all the witnesses have him chasing after/close to Brown. This was pointed out two pages ago. Shaun King's theory has it that the first burst of shots was from farther away than the magic 35-foot distance, and most or all of them went wild. Then Brown stopped and surrendered, and THEN Wilson approached and shot him at closer range. This is especially sad because it means that if Brown hadn't surrendered, he might not have died. It doesn't even really matter, though, because whether or not Wilson and Brown were close to each other, they didn't both GET to be 100 feet away from the car without Brown running away.
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Petr posted:It's pretty easy to determine who belongs to the first group. If a person complains about "Tumblr SJWs," using those terms, they are a person who complains about Tumblr SJWs. Pretty well-defined group. The bad thing that they are doing is complaining about Tumblr SJWs. twodot posted:The group is easy to define, but it's obvious that complaining isn't the bad thing they are doing: Using the term "social justice warrior" is a problem in itself because it casts "social justice" as a pejoritive and serves to portray the whole concept of social justice itself in a negative light. It doesn't matter if a person intends to trivialize social justice or not, that's exactly what they're doing when they use the term "social justice warrior"/SJW.
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This is my favorite thread. Not ironically, but actually. If a person not in touch to anything would read this from start to finish, it would be a trip through the 1800's to modern policing and emergency response, touching firearms, small unit tactics, racism, misandry, feminism, politics, parties, chauvinism and overall pretty much any relevant topic of the modern society. Even economics and social policy.
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Vahakyla posted:This is my favorite thread. Not ironically, but actually. If a person not in touch to anything would read this from start to finish, it would be a trip through the 1800's to modern policing and emergency response, touching firearms, small unit tactics, racism, misandry, feminism, politics, parties, chauvinism and overall pretty much any relevant topic of the modern society. Even economics and social policy. Only in America. 
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I will always cherish whoever it was that showed up and was like "whew hey guys I just ran home from class any cool
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theflyingorc posted:I'm still not convinced we can say that, because the wording the PD used was so poor and weird that I'm not even sure what they were trying to say about the state of the crime scene. They either didn't choose their words carefully or they carefully chose words to sound like they meant something without actually meaning anything. Yeah, you're right. I just watched the presser, and the PD's description of the scene comes across as PR weaseling: 35 feet to "the shooting" is so ambiguous, they can definitely walk it back if they get called out. To the average listener it implies 35 feet between the vehicle and where Brown took the bullets, but it could also mean 35 feet from the vehicle to where Wilson unloaded his handgun, or any number of things in between. Still, Brown's body being 100 feet from the vehicle ought to complicate the defense. There are only two possible scenarios. Either Wilson stood at the door of his car and fired at a man ~100 feet away (not likely), in which case he can't argue that he was directly threatened by Brown, or he gave pursuit to Brown (very likely), in which case he'll be hard-pressed to argue that he wasn't in control of the situation and was in fear for his life. Cichlid the Loach posted:It doesn't even really matter, though, because whether or not Wilson and Brown were close to each other, they didn't both GET to be 100 feet away from the car without Brown running away. Exactly.
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bassguitarhero posted:new troll checking in The problem with cultural criticism is that for idiots, it's hard to tell the incisive and thought-provoking kind with the lazy slapdash kind made in crippled imitation. This seems to be true for both conservatives and leftists, both of whom seem uninterested or incapable when it comes to distinguishing the dross from the silver, perhaps because they seem to use it mostly to get their mad on("white privilege  !"/"reverse racism !")
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So if I were to go on vacation to the United States. How likely is it that I will be killed by your police? I am asking because I am planning to go on vacation the end of this year. My girlfriend is german but her family comes from Palestine. Would she have any problems?
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demonicon posted:So if I were to go on vacation to the United States. How likely is it that I will be killed by your police? Sort of depends on where you were planning to go. A lot of nasty stuff happens in the deep south and small towns but some major city PDs are god damned terrible.
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demonicon posted:So if I were to go on vacation to the United States. How likely is it that I will be killed by your police? You will be fine. Don't let the media blowing this out of proportion affect your plans.
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Most people who get killed by the police spent at least a couple decades in the US before it actually happened to them. You'll probably survive a vacation there.
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Haven't seen this posted here yet; an Independence, Missouri (on the other side of the state, basically Kansas City, Missouri) police officer tazed and then dropped a 17 year old white kid to the ground because he didn't roll down his window during a traffic stop. He's currently in a medically induced coma as the officer tazed him in the chest, which stopped his heart. He probably has significant brain damage as well but he'll live. The one good aspect of the whole situation is his father is a police officer as well, so there's a better chance something will come of it, eventually. http://www.kansascity.com/news/local/crime/article2126594.html
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demonicon posted:So if I were to go on vacation to the United States. How likely is it that I will be killed by your police? Any sort of urban area will be fine. The police only really harass people in the US equivalent of the Turkish ghettos in Germany.
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AVeryLargeRadish posted:Sort of depends on where you were planning to go. A lot of nasty stuff happens in the deep south and small towns but some major city PDs are god damned terrible. Oh for gently caress sake, are you serious? This your response to a person asking if he is gonna get shot by the police on their vacation? He is not gonna get shot by cops , or by anyone, anywhere. Jesus Christ. Vahakyla fucked around with this message at 14:50 on Sep 20, 2014 |
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