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Ague Proof posted:Yeah I don't think that would fit into the Prince-Albert/Hitler hypothesis. You could say it requires a leap to hop onto a story like that just because it jumps out at you.
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peter gabriel posted:I'm not being sarcastic at all, I can't recall ever seeing a bomb looking anything like that thing and would love to see the x rays of it that were took, I spent ages looking and couldn't find them online anywhere. Weird, why wouldn't the FBI make the schematics of the undefusable bomb public?
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Good lord, such babies. Give me one of those small movie bomb wire snippy things and a hammer and I'll defuse your bomb for you.
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How do you even make an undefusable bomb? Was it actually impossible or just infeasible to do it?
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FrozenVent posted:Weird, why wouldn't the FBI make the schematics of the undefusable bomb public? It was mentioned earlier that they use them in training etc so I thought maybe they have figured it out, I know, I know. Crazy talk.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1YTmDEQWY2A This guy explains some of what the deal with the bomb was. It basically was incredibly sensitive despite being a copier-sized metal box and there was no way to move or get inside at the explosives and mechanism without setting it off.
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poo poo, they used explosives to try and cut the circuitry- something that has a decent success rate because most often the explosion travels faster than the electrical impulse. Except this guy anticipated that. I had a class given by a civilian contractor who literally writes the texts on bomb and bomb defusal. He said that during a convention, a team of the best dudes built a dummy dirty bomb that had no way to be defeated. Mercury switches, xray plates that were wired to send detonation impulses, timers, redundant systems, everything they could think of. He then followed that by saying that most of it was based on the Tahoe Device. According to one article I read, there is an episode of the TV show The Unit has a fairly accurate representation of the bomb. The shows creator and Executive Producer, Eric L. Haney, was a plankowner of Delta Force, who did many adivisor operations in support of the FBI in the past, up to and including EOD type work.
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Not sure if this is the place to ask but whatever happened to OTP-22?
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Inzombiac posted:Not sure if this is the place to ask but whatever happened to OTP-22? I guess it's still going? It's an ARG with a pretty detailed wiki of its own, including a news page and timeline that I can't make heads or tails of since I'm unfamiliar with the whole thing.
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Kimmalah posted:I guess it's still going? It's an ARG with a pretty detailed wiki of its own, including a news page and timeline that I can't make heads or tails of since I'm unfamiliar with the whole thing. poo poo. I was following it really closely and coming back from a long weekend I had no idea what was going on. Now 
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Yeah it looks interesting, but it seems kind of confusing unless you've been following it from the start.
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ChickenOfTomorrow posted:As more people arrived, and the list increased, passengers began to slide and fall, and some were crushed by toppling equipment. The scenes of loss and bedlam defied coherent description by the survivors who witnessed them. On Deck 4 two women who had reached the staircase lost their grip and fell fatally against a wall. Others had already been badly injured, and some were lying apparently dead. Emotions among those unable to climb varied widely, with some people screaming incoherently, others seemingly listless and confused, and still others rational, self-contained, and brave. That article is pure shameless disaster porn, but damned if I wasn't glued to it. Stuff like this makes me want to work out more, so I can pretend I would have been one of the ones to climb the railings and drag myself up to the promenade deck. Another comforting thing: survival situations beget assholes. quote:There was criminality, too, perhaps because among the various admirable characteristics being selected for, the less admirable traits of opportunism and raw aggression lay inextricably entwined. Indeed, some of the first people to follow Rolf Sörman and his three female companions outside onto the nearly empty promenade were brazen thieves—a band of young Estonian men who took advantage of the confusion to tear a gold chain off Sörman's neck and to strip cash and jewelry from the women. With startling speed they robbed others on the deck and then disappeared inside, apparently to work through the crowds that were just beginning to surge up the staircases. They were confident, as criminals tend to be, and they must not even have considered that the ship might then trap them, though the best evidence is that it did.
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Wildeyes posted:That article is pure shameless disaster porn, but damned if I wasn't glued to it. This sent me into a really  hour last night as I searched for info on the sources for all this. There are some reenactments that are rather harrowing. You do have to sift through endless conspiracy websites to find legit info though.
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Inzombiac posted:Not sure if this is the place to ask but whatever happened to OTP-22? Here's the unfiction thread and irc channel #ARG. It's a little disappointing that the unfiction kids deemed everyone else unworthy of participating and took "ownership" of the game. Most everything is discussed through the irc channel. I mostly just check the thread about once a month to read updates as I'm pretty sure they gave up on the clusterfuck of a wiki a while ago.
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Inzombiac posted:Not sure if this is the place to ask but whatever happened to OTP-22? Can someone give a TL; DR of what the poo poo this is?
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bulletsponge13 posted:Can someone give a TL; DR of what the poo poo this is? Tried to shorten it as much as I could, from an FAQ: quote:
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franklin_Delano_Floyd Dude kidnaps a little girl and raises her as his daughter. All the while sexually abusing her.  They still have no idea who she was before she was kidnapped. They then get married when she's old enough. THEN she has a kid, but not with Floyd. Floyd hits her with a car, she dies. He puts the son in foster care and leaves the state. Some time later, he returns and abducts the boy from his school. Boy is never seen again. Floyd's sitting on death row. That picture made me cringe.
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Praseodymi posted:How do you even make an undefusable bomb? Was it actually impossible or just infeasible to do it? Basically you tap into some sort of evil genius, study the hell out of incendiary devices, and anticipate every technique a bomb squad would use to disarm the thing and put countermeasures in. The short of defusing a bomb is to separate whatever triggers the boom from the things that go boom. In theory that sounds simple but in practice that's full of complications. Somebody that wants to make a bomb harder to defuse can set things up like something that will set the bomb off if the ticking detonator is removed. It's highly unlikely that the bomb was 100% impossible to defuse but was so complex or had so many countermeasures they probably figured that was their best bet. Part of the reason bomb threats are taken so seriously and why poo poo gets evacuated immediately is because people that make bomb threats and/or set bombs are often either really crazy, really desperate, or really mean. In any case they want that drat bomb to go off. One can also plan a bombing for years if they really want to but the bomb crew only has so much time to study a bomb. If it's complex enough analyzing it takes longer than they have so they just kind of guess. The only person who knows all the details of the bomb is the person who built it and they probably aren't talking. Part of why bombs are so scary and why nuclear bombs are watched with ludicrous amounts of security. Oh, but there's no way those could be lost, misplaced, or left out in the open, right? Hahaahaaaaa...nope. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_military_nuclear_accidents A few in particular... quote:January 17, 1966 – Palomares incident – Accidental destruction, loss and recovery of nuclear bombs Short of it is, some planes gently caress up and four bombs accidentally drop. None go off; one is lost and eventually found. quote:May 22, 1968 – 740 km (400 nmi) southwest of the Azores – Loss of nuclear reactor and two W34 nuclear warheads So yeah, if you want to go dicking around in almost two miles of water there's some bombs in the ocean if you really, really want them. But that's a gently caress up of monumental proportions that can only happen occasionally, right? gently caress no! We're humans. When we gently caress up hard we do it loving right. quote:April 12, 1970 – Bay of Biscay – Loss of a nuclear submarine Yup, old Russian nuclear attack sub, still there, just kind of...in the ocean. Having bombs. Big rear end nuclear ones. But, you know, seeing how serious the Cold War was and how many of these incidents there were, people quit loving around and got better about this nuclear weapon nonsense after the 1970's, right? Uhhhhhhh nope. quote:October 3, 1986 – 480 miles (770 km) east of Bermuda, K-219, a Soviet Yankee I-class submarine experienced an explosion in one of its nuclear missile tubes and at least three crew members were killed. Sixteen nuclear missiles and two reactors were on board. Soviet leader Mikhail Gorbachev privately communicated news of the disaster to U.S. President Ronald Reagan before publicly acknowledging the incident on October 4. Two days later, on October 6, the submarine sank in the Atlantic Ocean while under tow in 18,000 feet (5,500 m) of water. Yeah. A Russian submarine was loving around in waters very close to the U.S. Then it sank. This could very possibly have sparked a nuclear war. I was young at the time but I vaguely remember this one. Scary. loving terrifying. Oh, by the way, the drat thing is still there, hanging out in the abyss, being all full of nuclear loving weapons and poo poo. Nothing quite like a little pile of radioactive crap hanging out in a big iron tube in parts of the ocean we can't even loving reach yet. Guess we're just hosed if those things decide to go off and/or leak. Welp! These are the incidents that we know of. There's basically guaranteed to be more. Have any nuclear weapons been stolen? That's a nasty thought. Misplacing is bad enough. Speaking of terrifying bombs...somebody apparently figured out suitcase nukes. Well, sort of. Not much is publicly known (because why would this information ever be made public knowledge?) but America and Russia both claim to have nukes small enough to cram in a backpack. Israel has nukes small enough to fit in a suitcase. Thought that was just a thing in fiction? Hah...if only. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suitcase_nuke Pleasant dreams! Don't visit any important buildings if you can avoid it.
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I'm assuming they make nuclear warheads in such a way that it would be damned near impossible to set one off by accident. Like, you cant walk up and hit one with a hammer Bugs Bunny style to set it off....right?
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All mass-produced nuclear weapons in history have been plutonium-based because they're smaller than uranium-based weapons. Unlike uranium weapons where the explosion is caused by mashing two pieces of uranium together to form a supercritical mass, plutonium weapons are built with subcritical spheres of plutonium surrounded by explosive material. When detonated, the explosion compresses the plutonium in just the right way so it becomes supercritical and rapidly releases energy. The good news is that the detonation of the explosive material has to be perfect or there won't be a fission reaction. If the explosive is detonated by a fire or another explosion or anything like that there won't be a nuclear explosion. Edit: On top of that the explosive is almost certainly something that can only be detonated by electricity anyway BattleMaster has a new favorite as of 15:09 on Sep 20, 2014 |
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Solice Kirsk posted:I'm assuming they make nuclear warheads in such a way that it would be damned near impossible to set one off by accident. Like, you cant walk up and hit one with a hammer Bugs Bunny style to set it off....right? Right, by and large a nuclear bomb needs a precise series of detonations going off just so for everything to go a bit mushroomy. Not saying its impossible for that to happen accidentally, but these things have been in bombers as they crashed and didn't go off.
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Solice Kirsk posted:I'm assuming they make nuclear warheads in such a way that it would be damned near impossible to set one off by accident. Like, you cant walk up and hit one with a hammer Bugs Bunny style to set it off....right? Pretty much, check out this instance of a plane carrying nuclear bombs that broke up in mid air, none of the bombs went off: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1961_Goldsboro_B-52_crash The second bomb plunged into a muddy field at around 700 miles per hour (310 m/s) and disintegrated without detonation of its conventional explosives. The tail was discovered about 20 feet (6.1 m) below ground. Parts of the bomb were recovered, including its tritium bottle and the plutonium.[13][page needed] According to nuclear weapons historian Chuck Hansen, the bomb was partially armed when it left the aircraft though an unclosed high-voltage switch had prevented it from fully arming.[9] In 2013, ReVelle recalled the moment the second bomb's switch was found. “Until my death I will never forget hearing my sergeant say, 'Lieutenant, we found the arm/safe switch.' And I said, 'Great.' He said, 'Not great. It’s on arm.'”[14]
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spinst posted:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franklin_Delano_Floyd Jesus Christ. I have to wonder how nobody suspected anything, and if there was some way someone could have. Back then, being a single father raising a daughter must have carried a certain stigma, and school is compulsory, so...at some point, wouldn't several teachers have gotten to know the girl's father? Wouldn't the girl have hinted to anyone about the sexual abuse, especially as she got older? When I read about these murders, where some young woman is reduced to a sex toy or breeding machine, I always get fixated on the lost potential. This girl got a full-ride scholarship to study aerospace engineering. Who knows what positive things she would have accomplished, had she not been roped into marrying this fucker, having a baby, working as a stripper, and ultimately dying mysteriously. I guess he had to have killed Michael too, and is just pretending to know his whereabouts as a bargaining chip. gently caress, the kidnapping of that poor kid must have been harrowing for the principal. I don't know how he went to work after that. Maybe Floyd will start talking when execution day draws closer. Wildeyes has a new favorite as of 16:33 on Sep 20, 2014 |
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spinst posted:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franklin_Delano_Floyd That story's so eerie, that this guy was able to just run around free all that time without anybody getting any clue about what he really was. The only reason anyone even knows about his two previous crimes is that he documented them and kept all the photos together in a bundle he left inside a truck he stole in 1994. He had been a fugitive for 20 years when he kidnapped Michael, having run away after being paroled from federal prison in 1973 for robbing a bank, which he robbed after escaping a prison where he was serving 20 years for the rape and kidnapping of a baby. He disappeared in 1975 immediately after being bailed out of the local jail, where he was taken after attempting to kidnap a woman. He was first arrested for shooting cops who showed up while he was robbing a department store when he was 17: http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?48515-Sharon-Marshall-2 It seems likely he might have committed some kind of crime between 1973 and 1975.
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Wildeyes posted:... where some young woman is reduced to a sex toy ... People are weird, and obsessive. Take Carl Tanzler, or Count Carl von Cosel, as he sometimes liked to sign his name. He had quite the morbid obsession for one of his former patients, and quite literally, reduced her to a sex toy.
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Solice Kirsk posted:I'm assuming they make nuclear warheads in such a way that it would be damned near impossible to set one off by accident. Like, you cant walk up and hit one with a hammer Bugs Bunny style to set it off....right? Basically, yeah. That, however, does not stop them from leaking radiation everywhere if they get damaged or fall apart. Which is a problem in that fissile materials are generally radioactive as all hell. Plutonium in particular is nasty, nasty stuff.
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ToxicSlurpee posted:Guess we're just hosed if those things decide to go off and/or leak. Welp! Not sure that detonation would be that big of a problem. There's a lot of water between them and anything we care about.
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Dunno if this'll be  but I went to Japan a few years ago and visited the memorial museum in Hiroshima for the atomic bombings. Some of the stuff there was...pretty disturbing. Regardless if it had to be done to end the war, a lot of people died very horribly.  I can't even imagine what that would have been like to witness. And some lucky bastards got to do it not once, but twice! Like this guy, who still managed to make it to the ripe old age of 93 before cancer got him. 
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Jack Gladney posted:That story's so eerie, that this guy was able to just run around free all that time without anybody getting any clue about what he really was. The only reason anyone even knows about his two previous crimes is that he documented them and kept all the photos together in a bundle he left inside a truck he stole in 1994. He had been a fugitive for 20 years when he kidnapped Michael, having run away after being paroled from federal prison in 1973 for robbing a bank, which he robbed after escaping a prison where he was serving 20 years for the rape and kidnapping of a baby. He disappeared in 1975 immediately after being bailed out of the local jail, where he was taken after attempting to kidnap a woman. He was first arrested for shooting cops who showed up while he was robbing a department store when he was 17: I've been doing some research for a book recently and really up until the mid 90's (where there were a series of busts on high profile identity theft, including famous hacker Kevin Mitnick) it was shockingly easy to vanish if you even had any shred of skill or access to money and technology. There just wasn't any real good way to track people even with things like drivers licenses and security cards. Were talking about an era with pretty much no centralized database for any kind of visual records. If some guy skipped prison and ended up three states away in a small town, the only way that town was going to know he was fugitive was if they got photos or sketches physically mailed to them. People were more trusting in a lot of ways as well. It was shockingly easy to apply for a birth certificate and from there you could basically piece together a entire legal identity. Forms for working were basically never handled or stored well so you could easily have a job and entire life based around just giving someone a different name, especially if you weren't applying for anything that required credentials. Someone like DB Cooper could never get away with what he did today. The second he jumped we would have had every bank in the area scanning bills with UV pens looking for marks, we would have drones and satellites and long range camera planes in the sky and a massive dragnet of people disseminating the multiple security camera and on board camera photos of him. Unless he lived as a homeless hermit in the Oregon woods the rest of his life we would have caught him within a month probably. But in the 70's? All we had to go on was a sketch and a vague description. As long as that dude landed OK he was basically home free with no skin off his back. This was in the era when you provided a name on your plane ticket more as a formality than anything and you could fly with firearms on you in most places.
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El Estrago Bonito posted:Unless he lived as a homeless hermit in the Oregon woods the rest of his life we would have caught him within a month probably. 
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Man, that's a ratty-looking deer mount.
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bonestructure posted:Man, that's a ratty-looking deer mount. Don't talk about Bryan Cranston like that.
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EgoEgress posted:Dunno if this'll be Ah, an excuse to post photos taken by my grandfather. These were taken in Hiroshima in October 1945.     Freudian posted:Don't talk about Bryan Cranston like that. 
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bean_shadow posted:Ah, an excuse to post photos taken by my grandfather. These were taken in Hiroshima in October 1945. I can't believe they could rebuild. Its just gone.
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Solice Kirsk posted:I can't believe they could rebuild. Its just gone. Before anyone flips about using nukes, here's Tokyo after a 'conventional' use of total war's logical insanity.  Would you like to be broiled or boiled? e: Citation Provided quote:Wherever there was a canal, people hurled themselves into the water; in shallow places, people waited, half sunk in noxious muck, mouths just above the surface of the water. Hundreds of them were later found dead; not drowned, but asphyxiated by the burning air and smoke. In other places, the water got so hot that the luckless bathers were simply boiled alive. Some of the canals ran directly into the Sumida; when the tide rose, people huddled in them drowned. Logical Insanity, the most scary and unnerving. http://www.eyewitnesstohistory.com/tokyo.htm Herv has a new favorite as of 05:48 on Sep 22, 2014 |
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The scary and unnerving thing is that as recently as 70 years ago, there was a situation where people could willingly engage in the mass immolation of tens of thousands of innocents and still be considered the good guys.
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Small Frozen Thing posted:The scary and unnerving thing is that as recently as 70 years ago, there was a situation where people could willingly engage in the mass immolation of tens of thousands of innocents and still be considered the good guys. It's not exact, but modern Israel's pretty close.
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Small Frozen Thing posted:The scary and unnerving thing is that as recently as 70 years ago, there was a situation where people could willingly engage in the mass immolation of tens of thousands of innocents and still be considered the good guys. That's pretty much how war has worked since the invention of airplanes that could drop bombs, and has has been how it has worked since Hiroshima and Nagasaki as well. It's just been less efficient at killing lots of civilians quickly.
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