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ThaumPenguin posted:Nah, it went red, aka "unresolved conflict", so I was a bit unsure about doing it. Since you want to have the vanilla name - and consequently want to undo the change another mod in your loadorder made, you can ignore FNVEdit making the weapon record red. Raygereio fucked around with this message at 22:33 on Sep 20, 2014 |
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SolidSnakesBandana posted:Personally I would do as little deviating as possible from his instructions. Post your load order! I'll compare it with mine and with the instructions and see if I find anything weird. Here it is. I'm aware that it's all sorts of bloated, but I'm planning to remove or merge the smaller plugins: Load Order posted:FalloutNV.esm All of them are active at the moment. Originally I loaded the convergence-related plugins earlier than any other mods, but I thought that might have caused some issues, so I decided to move them last instead. ThaumPenguin fucked around with this message at 00:25 on Sep 21, 2014 |
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ThaumPenguin posted:Here it is. I'm aware that it's all sorts of bloated, but I'm planning to remove or merge the smaller plugins: jesus christ you have WME, WMX, PN, FOOK, AWOP, and Momod, and jsawyer edit: nevermind that's some dumbass mod called convergence  have fun
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Mortimer posted:jesus christ you have WME, WMX, PN, FOOK, AWOP, and Momod, and jsawyer Compatibility patches are beautiful things. This pretty much happens every time I decide to replay a Bethesda game; I can't play Oblivion without trying to install FCOM + Better cities and what-not. It always ends in tears.
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HELLO SIR, CAN I INTEREST YOU IN SOME OF THESE FINE WARES I need to disable some of these mods. Plugin meter is currently at 162.
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ThaumPenguin posted:load order I don't think there's really anyone that can help you with this. You need to make some decisions about what is actually important and worth keeping. For instance, right away I would suggest getting rid of any and all quest mods. They are all garbage. So that means AWOP and the SomeGuy series. Remove any new companions because they are also garbage. MonsterMod is also garbage, though I haven't used the Rebalanced Leveled List or whatever. Overall though the quality of the mod is very, very low. New Vegas Redesigned 3 requires new body mods and stuff right? That poo poo is just bad news all around. If you must, get New Vegas Redesigned 2 which doesn't require such things. Lighting Overhaul. Why? Because some sperg says it looks better now? These only cause problems and the difference they make is negligible. The last 40 or so mods I'm not even familiar with. But I'm willing to bet money they are total poo poo. All those mods and you don't even have the best house, Lombard Station. Anyway that's just a start. Here's my load order. This one actually works and doesn't crash. Load Order posted:MercenaryPack.esm My criteria for mods is they actually have to improve the game in some way, or make up for something the game is missing. Just adding mods because they sound cool is a really, really terrible idea. Especially since New Vegas is such a good game without mods, a lot of the mods end up making the game worse and by proxy sours your opinion of the game as a whole.
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ThaumPenguin posted:HELLO SIR, CAN I INTEREST YOU IN SOME OF THESE FINE WARES That's what happens when you have too many mods. You need to get rid of some, merge the smaller ones if possible, and remember that the game still counts inactive plugins in the Data folder for its limit. The hard limit is supposedly 254, but in reality it varies, mine is exactly 209 for example, after that I get the same problems.
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Learning to use Mod Organizer with FOMM-Fork and other New Vegas tools. Really, just give SRB's guide a look for how to integrate everything into MO and such. It's a pain in the rear end to setup initially, but the benefits are pretty drat good.
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SplitSoul posted:That's what happens when you have too many mods. You need to get rid of some, merge the smaller ones if possible, and remember that the game still counts inactive plugins in the Data folder for its limit. The hard limit is supposedly 254, but in reality it varies, mine is exactly 209 for example, after that I get the same problems. I'm pretty sure that's false; at least with Skyrim. I've got like 270 plugins and 252 active and they all run fine without a hitch. I also used to run right up to the limit in New Vegas and didn't have issues, it has nothing to do with the # of mods you have and everything to do with how willing you are to be aware of what you're doing and installing. The more mods you have just means the more careful you have to be with install and load order, as well as keeping up-to-date with patches (including having to make your own by diving into TESEdit). As ThaumPenguin has shown us, you can't just fart a bunch of mods into /data/ and expect it to work.
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Mr. Crow posted:I'm pretty sure that's false; at least with Skyrim. I've got like 270 plugins and 252 active and they all run fine without a hitch. Might've been fixed in Skyrim, but it's definitely the case with FNV. Mr. Crow posted:I also used to run right up to the limit in New Vegas and didn't have issues, it has nothing to do with the # of mods you have and everything to do with how willing you are to be aware of what you're doing and installing. The more mods you have just means the more careful you have to be with install and load order, as well as keeping up-to-date with patches (including having to make your own by diving into TESEdit). I've spent countless hours cleaning up unnecessary records and deleted entries, manually merging plugins and making sure there are no conflicts with FNVEdit. When I activate the 210th plugin I get missing meshes, flickering textures and fast travel does weird things, then it crashes after a few minutes at most. Together these are all symptoms of going over whatever limit is in effect. Mr. Crow posted:As ThaumPenguin has shown us, you can't just fart a bunch of mods into /data/ and expect it to work. This is absolutely true, though, and is the first lesson of modding Gamebryo.
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Yeah, I probably went a bit overboard with the modding.SolidSnakesBandana posted:I don't think there's really anyone that can help you with this. You need to make some decisions about what is actually important and worth keeping. For instance, right away I would suggest getting rid of any and all quest mods. They are all garbage. So that means AWOP and the SomeGuy series. Remove any new companions because they are also garbage. I'm probably gonna get rid of AWOP, as I wasn't all that impressed with the three dungeons or so that I tried, but I'm gonna keep Someguy's stuff for now, as I've really enjoyed Afterschool Special [EDIT: Afterschool Special was not made by Someguy]. Russel, as well as the Bounty mods seem pretty well made too from what I've seen, so I want to check them out. SolidSnakesBandana posted:MonsterMod is also garbage, though I haven't used the Rebalanced Leveled List or whatever. Overall though the quality of the mod is very, very low. Can't really disagree with you there. I added the Rebalanced Leveled List mod after being attacked by several 2.5 meter tall geckos armed with bumper swords while trying to save Barton Thorn's "girlfriend" at level 3. Also, I've encountered at least 2 enemy types that the mod maker "borrowed" from STALKER (Snorks and Izloms) before even getting to Primm. The Snorks behaved exactly like coyotes, to the point of spawning together with them in a pack. The rebalanced list seems to fix the problem with really powerful enemies spawning where they shouldn't, which makes the mod more enjoyable. SolidSnakesBandana posted:New Vegas Redesigned 3 requires new body mods and stuff right? That poo poo is just bad news all around. If you must, get New Vegas Redesigned 2 which doesn't require such things. NVR3 only requires some of FCO's files, which is another face mod. It doesn't require anything other than that, but after doing some stuff with FNVEdit yesterday, I found out that it actually messes with quite a few more things than I thought. That, plus the "voice matching" of people like Johnson Nash and the whole "SLUT" thing makes me kinda apprehensive about using it, but I kinda want to try it out just to see it with my own eyes. Here's Nash, for reference:  SolidSnakesBandana posted:Lighting Overhaul. Why? Because some sperg says it looks better now? These only cause problems and the difference they make is negligible. I like it  SolidSnakesBandana posted:The last 40 or so mods I'm not even familiar with. But I'm willing to bet money they are total poo poo. They probably are, and I'm gonna find out exactly how poo poo they are! SolidSnakesBandana posted:All those mods and you don't even have the best house, Lombard Station. Nope, but I might get either that or the underground one, though I remember seeing some complaints about it here. SolidSnakesBandana posted:Anyway that's just a start. Here's my load order. This one actually works and doesn't crash. Doesn't seem to dissimilar to mine, you know, save for the massive amount of extra nonsense in mine. SolidSnakesBandana posted:My criteria for mods is they actually have to improve the game in some way, or make up for something the game is missing. Just adding mods because they sound cool is a really, really terrible idea. Especially since New Vegas is such a good game without mods, a lot of the mods end up making the game worse and by proxy sours your opinion of the game as a whole. Seems like a decent philosophy, considering "this seems cool" was the reason I installed Momod. GrizzlyCow posted:Learning to use Mod Organizer with FOMM-Fork and other New Vegas tools. Really, just give SRB's guide a look for how to integrate everything into MO and such. It's a pain in the rear end to setup initially, but the benefits are pretty drat good. I've been using Mod Organizer with FOMM-FORK for a while. It's pretty much the only reason for why the game runs at all. I actually used SRB's guide as a reference throughout my latest modding adventures. I think it was some flavor mods suggested by it that originally ended up pushing me over the plugin limit. Mr. Crow posted:As ThaumPenguin has shown us, you can't just fart a bunch of mods into /data/ and expect it to work. That's why it went into MO instead  But yeah, installing this many mods is a terrible idea. I'm gonna go scrub my modlist a bit and see what I can come up with. ThaumPenguin fucked around with this message at 19:51 on Sep 22, 2014 |
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SolidSnakesBandana posted:For instance, right away I would suggest getting rid of any and all quest mods. They are all garbage. So that means AWOP and the SomeGuy series. Remove any new companions because they are also garbage. Hey, Tales from the Burning Sands is awesome. And Niner isn't bad either, though he's unfinished at the moment. Yes, that person kindof has mod overload, but I wouldn't write off all companions/quest mods, just because some of the more popular ones are bad. I also personally don't like Lombard because it's too huge, and has Mannequins. And I hate Mannequins.
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I like Mobile Truck Base because the big issue I've always had with Player housing is that I never know what to do with it. I also don't want to hang out around the house when there's no in-game reason for me to do so aside from storage and I could be somewhere else killing Legionaries and making GBS threads in their wolf hats. MTB sidesteps these issues by letting me park my house near where I'm operating at any given moment. On the other hand I also really like Afterschool Special because the idea of questing to build up your house reminds me of the strongholds from Morrowind, only more DIY projects and less paying to have the land surveyed. Maybe I can park my mobile truck base out front and live out my dream of owning a vehicle and a home with a white picket (barbed wire) fence.  Switch gears, has anyone tried any of the Caesar's Legion mods? Any verdict on them? I've got several that renovate the NCR but I was wondering if their are any that make the Legion more interesting (to kill).
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"Finally my load order seem to be in order, now just to take a quick check in-game to see if anyth-" God Dammit. Do anyone know what could be causing this? This is my current load order: ThaumPenguin's Load Order posted:FalloutNV.esm The Merged Patch does not have a leveled item list, so I don't know why Alternate Start is giving me these supposedly "(replaced)" guns.
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I'm just gonna go ahead and say Convergence is probably at fault. It's dumb to try and stack that many mods together and you won't even notice when you actually play the game. Strip it all out and use either WMX or WME, not both, not FOOK, none of that nonsense.
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Fallout: New Vegas - as it turns out, FNV is actually a good game without mods (Modding Thread)
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ThaumPenguin posted:"Finally my load order seem to be in order, now just to take a quick check in-game to see if anyth-" I actually happened to have a similar thing happen to me, but only on a single gun for no apparent reason. Play a little further and try picking up a random gun, I think this bug just affects items seen before the mods got applied or something. Convergence does weird poo poo like that. Also for fucks sakes, other people, it's the goddamn modding thread. Why would anyone complain about someone troubleshooting in the modding thread? That's pretty much half the purpose of this thing, the other half being showing off mods.
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Mortimer posted:your last 100 posts in this topic have been mod errors, have you considered not posting your hilariously huge load order and just taking out >50% of what you're running? Well, yes I know FNV is a good game without mods, and I've done playthroughs without mods. I play with mods because I want to make a good game better. I assume you're in this thread for the same reason. My problem is that I have a slight issue with moderation when it comes to these things, so I tend to end up with a somewhat bloated load order whenever I try. For example, I removed about 50 plugins, and then went straight back to adding more, in the form of IWS and Lombard Station, which on their own add another 13 plugins. Psion posted:I'm just gonna go ahead and say Convergence is probably at fault. It's dumb to try and stack that many mods together and you won't even notice when you actually play the game. Strip it all out and use either WMX or WME, not both, not FOOK, none of that nonsense. That's probably it, but I haven't really found anyone else with that issue, so I assume it's something on my end. I don't have any mods that should interfere with it, and according to FNVEDIT, it's the Convergence Mods themselves that add the weapons with "(replaced)" in their name, as seen here.  Infinity Gaia posted:I actually happened to have a similar thing happen to me, but only on a single gun for no apparent reason. Play a little further and try picking up a random gun, I think this bug just affects items seen before the mods got applied or something. Convergence does weird poo poo like that. Honestly, Convergence seems less fun the more I try to mod with it. I'm considering scrapping it, like Psion suggested, and just going with Project Nevada and WMX instead.
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Infinity Gaia posted:I actually happened to have a similar thing happen to me, but only on a single gun for no apparent reason. Play a little further and try picking up a random gun, I think this bug just affects items seen before the mods got applied or something. Convergence does weird poo poo like that. There is literally almost no way to help giant gently caress Off Load Orders with 150+ mods just by posting the load order. Once you start getting that high amount of mods, especially ones that seriously conflict, you're going to have a bad time unless you know your way around FNVedit and can make custom patches and what not. Don't just throw 100+ mods together and expect them to all work. At the very least, start with a basic mod list of about 20 mods or so, and then gradually add to it (starting a new game each time and quickly COC'ing to test vendor lists, etc.)
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Gyshall posted:There is literally almost no way to help giant gently caress Off Load Orders with 150+ mods just by posting the load order. Once you start getting that high amount of mods, especially ones that seriously conflict, you're going to have a bad time unless you know your way around FNVedit and can make custom patches and what not. Fair enough, I guess, I just think that having a 150+ mod list isn't necessarily a bad thing. Overmodding games can be really fun, even if the base game is good. Adding all sorts of random mods to a game and seeing what breaks is a game all of its own.
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ThaumPenguin posted:Well, yes I know FNV is a good game without mods, and I've done playthroughs without mods. I play with mods because I want to make a good game better. I assume you're in this thread for the same reason. If you're really wanting to have a lot of these extra mods.. I'd suggest just going with NVEC, then your housing mod, then Project Nevada/WMX, and the compatibility things for each. If you want MORE MODS on top of that, read everything NVEC is adding first. Because quite a bit of what you're adding is already in NVEC. I know people in this thread don't like NVEC and it does have some issues, but I haven't had many issues with it personally, and the ones I did have were easily fixed by doing stuff in FNVedit. NVEC has it's own configurable version of IWS, so you'd be able to cut that out, you'd be able to cut out intergrated wild wasteland, because that's another MCM option,populated casinos, jsawyer, outside bets.. and the bounty mods from the someguy series can be removed as well if you go with NVEC. Just think about it ok?
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ThaumPenguin posted:"Finally my load order seem to be in order, now just to take a quick check in-game to see if anyth-" First of all, you didn't read the Redesigned 3 description. FCO is a mandatory install but the esm/esps for it should be deactivated after installation to avoid issues. At least that was the case last time I checked. Next, you are using JIP Companions and some UnlimitedCompanions.esp. The latter is completely redundant since JIP has an option for that. If you are using the latest MoMod, 10.b I think, the rebalanced levelled mod is likely to poo poo on your game at some point since it's been made for 10 and incompatible with 10.b. If you insist on using MoMod, get the Wasteland editon and use its plugins with MoMod. http://www.nexusmods.com/newvegas/mods/42136/ And finally, use a Bashed Patch. Wrye Bash/Flash is superior to FNVEdit when it comes to levelled lists and patch merging, so get to it asap. And to avoid confusion, simply read this: http://wiki.step-project.com/User:EssArrBee/FalloutNewVegas Once you've set up Wrye and are ready to Bash your mods pay close attention to this part of the guide. http://wiki.step-project.com/User:EssArrBee/FalloutNewVegas#Creating_a_Bashed_Patch You can skip the entire Tweak Settings part if you want, or be selective about it. Some tweaks are probably already in your game due to PN/FOOK or other mods anyways. Sensenmann fucked around with this message at 21:40 on Sep 24, 2014 |
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ThaumPenguin posted:That's probably it, but I haven't really found anyone else with that issue, so I assume it's something on my end. I don't have any mods that should interfere with it, and according to FNVEDIT, it's the Convergence Mods themselves that add the weapons with "(replaced)" in their name, as seen here. Are you only finding replaced weapons by the Alternate Start mod giving them to you? If so, my guess would be that its script somehow just chooses from all weapons in the game without any regard to regular availability. In that case, just find the ID numbers of the correct versions of the weapons and give them to yourself with the console. Do note that FOOK uses real-world names for weapons (i.e. "Shanxi Type 17" instead of "Chinese Pistol") so it might take a little more effort. If you're also finding replaced weapons out in the wild, then I don't know. Some other mod is messing with it. I played through the game with FOOK-PN Convergence just fine, and the only issue I had was that the Gun Runners stocked both mods' versions of the Desert Eagle.
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