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DoctorWhat posted:Irish Joe, as I'm sure you're aware, you've cultivated a general aura of nastiness from your hit-and-run shiposts and shallow, often personal attack-based criticisms. Just ignore 'im, Doctor What, he isn't worth more words than "you are a child without self-awareness" or better yet, a simple "Shut the gently caress up, Irish Joe." I finished Pier Pressure the other day. I was expecting it to be more of a love letter to the comedian in the story (which it definitely was at the end), but it was mostly a lot of back-and-forth over mind control. Felt a bit padded, but it was an okay romp. I also started the second "season" of Sarah Jane Smith (the Big Finish stuff, not the TV show) and I'm still not really feeling it. It feels as though they've changed the way Josh is characterized as well and they're already retreating some of the points from last season.
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This is totally random but Clara's outfit was a job interview outfit, not an outfit for a date. It'd be different if she'd just worn it to work and not on purpose for a romantic evening. Sheesh girl, I know you're beautiful but even you have to dress for the situation. I actually liked this episode. It was refreshing to have the 'extra people that hang out with the Doctor and companion' to not die horrible deaths. That doesn't happen very often (or at least lately).
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Sep 21, 2014 18:00
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ashez2ashes posted:This is totally random but Clara's outfit was a job interview outfit, not an outfit for a date. It'd be different if she'd just worn it to work and not on purpose for a romantic evening. Sheesh girl, I know you're beautiful but even you have to dress for the situation. Shrug, I wouldn't mind.
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Sep 21, 2014 18:00
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Bicyclops posted:Just ignore 'im, Doctor What, he isn't worth more words than "you are a child without self-awareness" or better yet, a simple "Shut the gently caress up, Irish Joe." Didja work out who "Billy" was?
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Sep 21, 2014 18:03
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DoctorWhat posted:Didja work out who "Billy" was? I usually read the Wikipedia entry for a story after I hear it, so I had a little help. That was a nice little reference. 
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Sep 21, 2014 18:08
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MrL_JaKiri posted:The reason the episode fell down, I think - and it did fall down - was that it completely half arsed the genre conventions. If you watch something like Ocean's Eleven the structure is: To me it felt like they were trying to make it more like Hustle, but they still sort of bungled it for reasons I can't quite think of. Besides it really lacking that "Wow, what a twist!" factor.
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Sep 21, 2014 18:27
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DoctorWhat posted:You've got no reserves of "good faith" in this thread; I hope sincerely that that situation will change, but I'm not optimistic. I wasn't aware good faith was a prerequisite to a free and open discussion. You're certainly free to think whatever you want about me, but let's be honest here: the only reason you won't address my substantive comments is because you know I'm right. Its a lot easier to shut down a discussion by telling a person to 'gently caress off' or saying they lack 'good faith' than it is to engage your middling intellect in an honest debate with someone who is both smarter and more articulate than you are.
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Sep 21, 2014 18:31
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Irish Joe's posts are art
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Sep 21, 2014 18:32
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The line, "I hate the Architect" made me immediately think that it was the Doctor. It's like something the Dream Lord would have said. (Speaking of which, there's a character I'd love to see again, I love Toby Jones in that episode.)
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Sep 21, 2014 19:14
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Fil5000 posted:The shadow proclamation being three people in a clean room with a desk was pretty much the biggest anticlimax it could be. Even considering that the whole thing was a throwaway line in Rose. The sad thing is RTD had grand plans for that scene. Every monster, practical and CGI, that had been in the series at that point, and maybe even some classic monsters, were going to populate that scene. They had even contracted Anne Badland to voice the Slithleen, when he was told that they wouldn't be able to afford what he wanted to do.
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Sep 21, 2014 19:16
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Irish Joe posted:I wasn't aware good faith was a prerequisite to a free and open discussion. You're certainly free to think whatever you want about me, but let's be honest here: the only reason you won't address my substantive comments is because you know I'm right. Its a lot easier to shut down a discussion by telling a person to 'gently caress off' or saying they lack 'good faith' than it is to engage your middling intellect in an honest debate with someone who is both smarter and more articulate than you are. I'm not sure what you've been "right" or "wrong" ABOUT. I don't think I've yet raised any disagreement with you on any matter other than your petty insults. What are your actual POSITIONS, other than "jokes about posters"? What "substantive comments" do you think I ought to address?
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Sep 21, 2014 19:17
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Having just watched this week's episode, I thought it was really good but felt like it should have been a two parter.
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Sep 21, 2014 19:39
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xNarUtoRKOrton420x posted:Having just watched this week's episode, I thought it was really good but felt like it should have been a two parter. I can see that adding some character development but I'm not sure how you'd really sustain the tension of the story that long.
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Sep 21, 2014 19:45
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Maxwell Lord posted:I can see that adding some character development but I'm not sure how you'd really sustain the tension of the story that long. Thought the characters could be developed more and I thought that the setting and premise was interesting enough (robbing a space bank) that they could have done more with it. Just my thoughts on it.
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Sep 21, 2014 19:48
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Yeah. As much as I liked the episode, it would be nice if Moffat could tell a story without constantly jumping back and forth in time (narratively) for no reason. Doctor Who is not Sherlock, Moffat. Stop it.
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Sep 21, 2014 19:54
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Maxwell Lord posted:I can see that adding some character development but I'm not sure how you'd really sustain the tension of the story that long. The episode was rushed in all the wrong places and giving it a bit more breathing room, and maybe adding a character or two to the team to balance the extra time, would have helped. Also, they really didn't need that memory wipe for the story. The twist was the obvious one and so clumsily done that I'm still not certain that it was actually intended to be a twist. I think it would have been a lot more entertaining to kick off the story with the Doctor at the head of a criminal organization...
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Sep 21, 2014 19:54
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Jet Jaguar posted:The line, "I hate the Architect" made me immediately think that it was the Doctor. It's like something the Dream Lord would have said. (Speaking of which, there's a character I'd love to see again, I love Toby Jones in that episode.) Speaking of twists that didn't happen, when the other two companions showed up again, I at first thought there was going to be something fishy, especially going by the doctor's reaction and their casual "Oh yeah it's not a disintegrator it's a transporter!" I thought they'd reveal that these were actually earlier versions of these companions who'd just had their minds wiped repeatedly, and they'd simply been told that they'd appeared wherever by transporting when they thought they were disintegrating. So their timeline would be something like: get mind wiped and told they'd just transported in by use of what they'd thought was a disintegrator --> join up with the doctor and perform the latter half of the heist first --> get mind-wiped again --> perform the first part of the heist --> get *actually* disintegrated.
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Sep 21, 2014 20:00
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ashez2ashes posted:This is totally random but Clara's outfit was a job interview outfit, not an outfit for a date. It'd be different if she'd just worn it to work and not on purpose for a romantic evening. Sheesh girl, I know you're beautiful but even you have to dress for the situation. Yeah, normally I love her outfits. Do you think she picks them herself or it's all according to a fashion designer? Whoever it is has really good style
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Sep 21, 2014 20:04
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xNarUtoRKOrton420x posted:Thought the characters could be developed more and I thought that the setting and premise was interesting enough (robbing a space bank) that they could have done more with it. Just my thoughts on it. Time Heist (Part I): The Doctor and Clara receive a mysterious phone call and must track down the three who will help them most in robbing the Bank of Karabraxos. After breaking the cybernetic human Psi out of prison, the group gains the trust of the mutant Saibra, and steals the DNA of one of the richest men in the galaxy. Time Heist (Part II): yadda yadda pretty much the same episode with some modifications. You could probably make the Architect reveal work still somehow, but I'm too lazy to think about it.
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Sep 21, 2014 20:08
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DoctorWhat posted:I'm not sure what you've been "right" or "wrong" ABOUT. I don't think I've yet raised any disagreement with you on any matter other than your petty insults. What are your actual POSITIONS, other than "jokes about posters"? What "substantive comments" do you think I ought to address? You do realise if you engage with the oval office we have have to put up with it, right?
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Sep 21, 2014 20:13
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I thought this episode was fantastic. It was everything I'd ask for from a Doctor Who episode, really. The two temporary companions were great, the "monster" was just the right blend of horrific and goofy, and a very nice plot and ending. It was a pretty fun ride all things considered. I think this really felt RTD as hell, with all the concepts it was freely throwing every minute. On the next episode, the preview wasn't selling me at first. I haven't liked the Danny Clara dates/interaction very much so far - they seem needlessly overdramatic - but then they showed a brief glimpse at an utterly bizarre monster and again I'm sold on it. Again it's a great blend of goofy and threatening - some kind of nonsensical looking robot with a retro almost k-9 sounding voice yet it still manages to really sound like bad news.
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Sep 21, 2014 20:17
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Irish Joe posted:Yeah. As much as I liked the episode, it would be nice if Moffat could tell a story without constantly jumping back and forth in time (narratively) for no reason. Doctor Who is not Sherlock, Moffat. Stop it. The only jump back was near the end. There was a jump forward after he picked up the phone but that was it.
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Sep 21, 2014 20:25
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computer parts posted:The only jump back was near the end. There was a jump forward after he picked up the phone but that was it. I'm mainly complaining about the Clara/Pink scenes from the last couple of episodes. Cut to Clara at home. Cut to Clara spilling wine on Pink. Cut to Clara checking her messages. Cut to Clara calling Pink a baby killer.
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Sep 21, 2014 20:30
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ashez2ashes posted:This is totally random but Clara's outfit was a job interview outfit, not an outfit for a date. It'd be different if she'd just worn it to work and not on purpose for a romantic evening. Sheesh girl, I know you're beautiful but even you have to dress for the situation. On the topic of the outfit, I believe this was the costume she was wearing in one of the early production photos which had everyone commenting on how much she looked like Lis Sladen, right?
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Sep 21, 2014 20:56
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Irish Joe posted:I'm mainly complaining about the Clara/Pink scenes from the last couple of episodes. I actually liked that in Listen. We're following Clara's state of mind and seeing things from Clara's point of view throughout the episode, so it makes sense to show us things in terms of her thought processes. They even have a magic plot reason for it in that her thoughts are literally driving the TARDIS. She's thinking about her date and sort of learning to understand Pink's PTSD through the Doctor's weird panic attack. Nonsequential storytelling is pretty standard in fiction anyways, I don't get why people pretend it's some kind of post-Lost era thing. It's certainly not exclusive to Sherlock.
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Sep 21, 2014 21:07
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Brett824 posted:I wouldn't mind it if they at all backed it up or made the viewer actually feel like it was the most secure bank. To be honest, there were two security guards and a brain melting monster and that was about it for security. And maybe the monster would have caught them a lot faster if it weren't for the memory wipe.
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Sep 21, 2014 21:18
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Guys. I finished listening to Davros on the train today. What a fantastic audio. Definitely right up there with Chimes of Midnight for me, I'll definitely be listening again. Also I started listening to Terror Firma right after it (without knowing Davros was in it) and I almost got whiplash from how different (read: worse) he is written in that (so far).
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Sep 21, 2014 21:20
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Speaking of two parters, is there any reason they decided not to really do any this season?
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Sep 21, 2014 21:43
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Gordon Shumway posted:Speaking of two parters, is there any reason they decided not to really do any this season? I think they're actually planning for the finale to be a two-parter.
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Sep 21, 2014 21:45
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Gordon Shumway posted:Speaking of two parters, is there any reason they decided not to really do any this season? Moffat is against them now, he said there isn't a story you can't tell in 45 minutes.
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Sep 21, 2014 21:46
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marktheando posted:Moffat is against them now, he said there isn't a story you can't tell in 45 minutes. Somewhere, George RR Martin angrily writes about lemoncakes.
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Sep 21, 2014 21:49
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I've heard it was an over-reaction on Moffat's part to criticism of the pacing in season six.
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Sep 21, 2014 21:51
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The pacing of season six was awful because, and this isn't a spoiler to any loving thing, IT HAD A HALF A YEAR GAP IN THE MIDDLE.
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Sep 21, 2014 22:07
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Burkion posted:The pacing of season six was awful because, and this isn't a spoiler to any loving thing, IT HAD A HALF A YEAR GAP IN THE MIDDLE. A gap in a season doesn't affect the pacing of individual episodes. And, with the exception of the Melody plot between Good Man Goes to War and Let's Kill Hitler, the through-line season arc wasn't really affected by the gap.
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Sep 21, 2014 22:12
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DoctorWhat posted:Irish Joe, as I'm sure you're aware, you've cultivated a general aura of nastiness from your hit-and-run shiposts and shallow, often personal attack-based criticisms. As someone who hasn't seen any Six stories, I just want to let you know that these posts make me want to watch some.
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Sep 21, 2014 22:14
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Bicyclops posted:I think they're actually planning for the finale to be a two-parter. I thought the Jamie Mathieson eps were the 2-parter?
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Sep 21, 2014 22:31
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Metal Loaf posted:I've heard it was an over-reaction on Moffat's part to criticism of the pacing in season six. Pretty much this. Moffat didn't know how to handle "hey maybe Season Six had some off moments in terms of pacing" and went "Fine, you fuckers don't like two parters? No more two parters, dickweeds!" because he is a petulant child, you see. But yeah, I think one two parter got past the shield this season.
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Sep 21, 2014 22:33
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nuzak posted:Yeah, normally I love her outfits. Do you think she picks them herself or it's all according to a fashion designer? Whoever it is has really good style It's got to be the clothing department. They were probably just told 'heist outfit' and not that it was supposed to be a date outfit originally.
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Sep 21, 2014 22:34
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ashez2ashes posted:It's got to be the clothing department. They were probably just told 'heist outfit' and not that it was supposed to be a date outfit originally. Maybe Pink has an English school girl fetish.
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it's a nice balance between smart enough to make a good impression and casual enough to be relaxed. why would anyone be upset if your date turned up wearing that?
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