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NVIDIA has suddenly given us the best card in performance/power/price (970), and some are still going "eh, if only I could spend more". Did no-one else see that you can OC a 970 to 980-comparable performance? When the gap between the 290 and 290X was similar, everyone said the extra money for the 290X isn't worth it. A gap that can be overclocked to close, is not one that will provide any degree of "future-proofing". But now we have people entertaining 980s. At 1920×1080. If you have money to burn, no random guy on a forum can stop you, but it's not a good way to spend the money. HalloKitty fucked around with this message at 08:57 on Sep 22, 2014 |
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drat. The vendor caught their pricing error, so I won't be getting the MSI 980 at 40% off. Ordered the MSI 970 at a different shop, saved ~40$ and won't have to wait 3 weeks for stock. This is going to be so awesome 670 to 970 at 1440 - and will finally be rid of that loving coil whine that has been building up over the last 8-9 months.
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Sep 22, 2014 08:51
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Quick heads up for UK people - Overclockers.co.uk just got a batch of MSI 970s this morning, available for next day delivery.
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Sep 22, 2014 10:02
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This review can't be right, can it? http://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/6700/msi-geforce-gtx-970-4gb-twin-frozr-v-gaming-oc-video-card-review/index16.html According to them MSI GTX 970 draws so much power that they recommend a 700 watt PSU.
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Sep 22, 2014 10:06
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Senjuro posted:This review can't be right, can it? I have no idea how they reached that figure. First of all, the numbers in the graph show a usage of 467w. They then round this up to 550w in the summary, for some inexplicable reason, and then decide to recommend a 700w power supply - The only explanations here are 'typo' or they expect people to read the phrase 'quality 700w power supply' as 'buy a 700w diablotek power supply for $10.' and are hedging their bets. Based on the numbers produced in their own graph 500w would be fine. In addition, they use a retarded Ivy Bridge-E based test bench with a heavily overclocked 3960X - this would add substantially to the power requirements. I suspect you could comfortably take 100w off their numbers and run a 970 quite comfortably on 400-450w.
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Sep 22, 2014 10:18
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On the other end of the scale: http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/msi_geforce_gtx_970_gaming_review,7.html quote:GeForce GTX 970 or 980 - On your average system the card requires you to have a 500 Watt power supply unit.
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Sep 22, 2014 10:27
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Senjuro posted:This review can't be right, can it? That review also states that the higher power draw is due to the 8 pin connector on the card, which is completely illogical and not how electricity works. The system they are using it with is also a bit ridiculous. Other reviews have the MSI 970 drawing more than reference, but not by a huge amount, and only due to its higher clocks. I wouldn't give much thought to that review, really. EDIT: Oh wow, in their audio section they place the tester two centimetres away from one of the fans on an open test bench. What an absolute terrible testing methodology. BurritoJustice fucked around with this message at 11:18 on Sep 22, 2014 |
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Sep 22, 2014 11:15
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So I had already ordered and have been shipped the EVGA GTX 970 superclocked ACX 1.0 before reading about all of these loud fan issues. I am coming from a amd HD 5870 (Which was previously a crossfire setup, but now is just a single card) and these are the audio levels of it: Having lived with this for 5-ish years would I notice the EVGA cooler being terribly loud? According to  the load dB level is actually quieter on the 970 than my stock cooler 5870 at idle fan speed. So I am wondering if the sound of the fan is the only problem on the EVGA card, or if there are other problems? Since it is already on it's way to me, I would have to ship it back to return it, which could take a while but it has a 30 day return policy, so it is a potential option. (Especially if there are other issues with the evga card besides sound levels) Skwee fucked around with this message at 11:24 on Sep 22, 2014 |
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Sep 22, 2014 11:21
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The fans tend to rattle at low speeds. I went through RMA hell before giving up. The good thing with EVGA is that they don't seem to care if you dismantle the card so I strapped Noctua 92mm fans onto the heatsink.
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Sep 22, 2014 13:25
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Ah, poo poo. Is the 970 going to be badly affected by a PCI-E slot at 2.0 rather than 3.0? Mine arrived this morning and I only realised that the mobo only does 2.0 after I installed it. 
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Sep 22, 2014 13:44
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As long as the CPU keeps up, the effect will probably well less than a single percentage point.
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Sep 22, 2014 13:54
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Hamburger Test posted:drat. The vendor caught their pricing error, so I won't be getting the MSI 980 at 40% off. Ordered the MSI 970 at a different shop, saved ~40$ and won't have to wait 3 weeks for stock. This is going to be so awesome 670 to 970 at 1440 - and will finally be rid of that loving coil whine that has been building up over the last 8-9 months. They cancelled my order as well  Where did you end up ordering from, Komplett?
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Factory Factory posted:As long as the CPU keeps up, the effect will probably well less than a single percentage point. Oh, cool. My trusty i7-2600k soldiers on for another half-decade. Thanks.
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I'm still tempted to buy a 970 even though I'm on a 1080 display for the foreseeable future. The onboard downsampling feature does look pretty nice compared to standard anti-aliasing. Plus I will probably buy something higher res...eventually. Also I will run it on my 450w Seasonic PSU, which clearly has enough power since it has an 8 pin PCI power connector 
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Sep 22, 2014 14:19
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I looked at some test where they tried out pcie 2.0 and 3.0, both 8x and 16x. There was no measurable difference. I thought about upgrading from i7 920 with decent OC, but decided to upgrade only the gpu first from radeon 6950, since most games are heavily gpu bound.
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Sep 22, 2014 14:22
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HalloKitty posted:NVIDIA has suddenly given us the best card in performance/power/price (970), and some are still going "eh, if only I could spend more". Its ok. Clearly we've moved into a much more comfortable price bracket for a lot more people and that's just fine since nobody anywhere is saying anybody needs a 980 for 1080p or 1200p. There seems to be a growing notion that the 980 is kind of useless since the 970 can OC close to it. I don't see any indication that the 980 doesn't OC just as well though. If you need the capability of a 980, say for 1440p or whatever else, don't think its some waste of money because you can OC a 970. And yes, SLI'ing 970's will blow a 980 out of the water for - well, more money but close, but its becoming amusing that this has been the case for like 2 years now but only now does that seem to sit well with a much larger crowd. Anyways, there's very little not to like this time around, and it's a little harder to go wrong too.
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1gnoirents posted:Its ok. Clearly we've moved into a much more comfortable price bracket for a lot more people and that's just fine since nobody anywhere is saying anybody needs a 980 for 1080p or 1200p. An overclocked 970 would be plenty for 95% of 1440p gamers though. It's only the crazy pants folk like myself and Agreed who'd go beyond that. And a 980 still isn't enough for 4k IMO so those people would still be looking at SLI.
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The Lord Bude posted:An overclocked 970 would be plenty for 95% of 1440p gamers though. It's only the crazy pants folk like myself and Agreed who'd go beyond that. And a 980 still isn't enough for 4k IMO so those people would still be looking at SLI. My admittedly shallow and subjective benchmark I look for is BF4, and kind of extrapolate from there what other games will do. That looks to be around a very wide range (45-65 fps depending on various overclocking and msaa, and 1440/1600p) but its hard for me to say a single 970 will do for me at least. It will do really, really great for the dollar but I still think a 980 would be more appropriate for 1440p in general. I'm gonna try them all though in all likelihood, unless 970 SLI just blows me away which it could.
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Icept posted:They cancelled my order as well Yea, Komplett and ProShop were the same price but Komplett actually have stock.
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1gnoirents posted:My admittedly shallow and subjective benchmark I look for is BF4, and kind of extrapolate from there what other games will do. That looks to be around a very wide range (45-65 fps depending on various overclocking and msaa, and 1440/1600p) but its hard for me to say a single 970 will do for me at least. It will do really, really great for the dollar but I still think a 980 would be more appropriate for 1440p in general. I'm gonna try them all though in all likelihood, unless 970 SLI just blows me away which it could. Welcome to the crazy pants club! You can submit your details to Agreed if you want to subscribe to the monthly newsletter.
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Meanwhile, I'm trying to figure out if I should replace my 5 year old 5850 with a newly-cheap 280X or 285, or if the GTX 970 is worth the stretch and figure I'm doing a monitor upgrade to more than my current 1920x1200 next year.
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Twerk from Home posted:Meanwhile, I'm trying to figure out if I should replace my 5 year old 5850 with a newly-cheap 280X or 285, or if the GTX 970 is worth the stretch and figure I'm doing a monitor upgrade to more than my current 1920x1200 next year. 970. Do it...you know you want too...
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1gnoirents posted:My admittedly shallow and subjective benchmark I look for is BF4, and kind of extrapolate from there what other games will do. That looks to be around a very wide range (45-65 fps depending on various overclocking and msaa, and 1440/1600p) but its hard for me to say a single 970 will do for me at least. It will do really, really great for the dollar but I still think a 980 would be more appropriate for 1440p in general. I'm gonna try them all though in all likelihood, unless 970 SLI just blows me away which it could. I actually think 970 SLI is potentially more rational than one 980, to be honest, since you're getting so much more performance for the money.
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Based on the differences between transistor counts, tdp and core counts of the 780 ti vs the 980, has Nvidia has left 30% of the potential performance of these cards on the table? 780 ti | 980 2880 CUDA cores | 2048 CUDA cores 250w TDP | 165w TDP 7.1B Transistors | 5.2B Transistors You obviously can't compare these across architectures 1-1, but it would seem that there is the extra die space and power limits to tack on extra processing power without any major redesigns. Maybe something on the back burner / with poor yields that they'll bring out when AMD responds?
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HalloKitty posted:I actually think 970 SLI is potentially more rational than one 980, to be honest, since you're getting so much more performance for the money. Just like the 760 SLI and 770 SLI, little has changed there for the actual dollar over its single card counterpart. The problem before was a single 770, when I had to use it, isn't going to perform as well in 1440p as a single 970 so its just more attractive this time around. Plus native 4gb, while I had a hard time (ie impossible) finding real data about 2gb vs 4gb SLI it can't be a bad thing.
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HalloKitty posted:I actually think 970 SLI is potentially more rational than one 980, to be honest, since you're getting so much more performance for the money. Especially if you are planning on getting an Oculus Rift. Nvidia's new VR-SLI rendering with a pair for 970 should get you lower latency than a single 980 card.
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Twerk from Home posted:Meanwhile, I'm trying to figure out if I should replace my 5 year old 5850 with a newly-cheap 280X or 285, or if the GTX 970 is worth the stretch and figure I'm doing a monitor upgrade to more than my current 1920x1200 next year.
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Rastor posted:To make your decision more difficult, there are already rumors that nVidia will release a GTX 960 in time for holiday shopping in the R9 285 price/performance bracket. I know for sure that I'm going to have a 2560x1440 monitor within the year, it looks like the GTX 970 wouldn't be wasted on that for sure. I'll hold out until 970 prices and availability shakes out though, and I really want a card with at least 2 displayport so my choices are very limited.
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So the MSI GeForce GTX 970 has four outputs, each of a different type. Display Port, HDMI, DVI-I and DVI-D. If you hooked up a monitor with a display port input, an HDMI input, and a DVI input, you could successfully run three monitors for gaming with this card, right? GreatGreen fucked around with this message at 16:32 on Sep 22, 2014 |
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GreatGreen posted:So the MSI GeForce GTX 970 has four outputs, each of a different type. Display Port, HDMI, DVI-I and DVI-D. I feel I should know this but functionally (and realistically) what's the difference between DVI-I and DVI-D? I'll probably be ordering an MSI 970 when they get in stock anywhere. Which looks like tomorrow.
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GreatGreen posted:So the MSI GeForce GTX 970 has four outputs, each of a different type. Display Port, HDMI, DVI-I and DVI-D. Right, this has worked since Kepler.
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AirRaid posted:I feel I should know this but functionally (and realistically) what's the difference between DVI-I and DVI-D?  DVI-D carries only a digital signal. DVI-I also carries an analog signal via those four pins on the far left, which allows for a simple passive adapter to convert from DVI to VGA if you want.
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Also you can easily convert between HDMI and DVI using a passive adapter (or cable with two different ends).
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I have an i5-750 box with an HD5850 in it. From a CPU bottlenecking standpoint, would it be worth it to put a GTX680 in that box, and then buy a GTX970 for my i5-3570k box?
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Ihmemies posted:I looked at some test where they tried out pcie 2.0 and 3.0, both 8x and 16x. There was no measurable difference. This is exactly the same boat I am in, thanks for contributing to my decision.  With a gtx 970, I'm hoping the now 6 years old i7 920 can hold out all the way to skylake.
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tijag posted:I have an i5-750 box with an HD5850 in it. From a CPU bottlenecking standpoint, would it be worth it to put a GTX680 in that box, and then buy a GTX970 for my i5-3570k box? I mean it might bottleneck a little depending on the game, but it'd still perform very well.
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Thunderbolt? Niche. DockPort? Haven't heard about that in a while. gently caress it, pipe DisplayPort and power over USB bidirectionally from the same port..
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With all these complaints about the ACX cooler on the EVGA 970 cards, I'm wondering, is it supposed to be louder or something than the ACX cooler that shipped with their 760 cards? I have an EVGA 760 SC w/ ACX and the noise has never bothered me. I'd like to stick to EVGA, so I was wondering if the ACX cooler is louder this time or if it's always been considered loud?
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Gwaihir posted:Right, this has worked since Kepler. Awesome, thanks.
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Guys, I'm allowed to buy a 980 for my triple 1440 set up right? I wouldn't want to get anyone's panties in a bunch. Anyone know when the EVGA Classified will be available? I leave Saturday for my cruise (7 days on a boat with my parents brother and sister-in-law with their 2 kids.) Can't even order one this week  because any sort of shipping delay would have it show up while I'm of town. Boo.
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