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both of us love the idea of women suffering endlessly with no recourse #WhyIStayed
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now you know the TRUE plight of us gamers #gamingdiaspora
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Sep 21, 2014 22:53
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Christ, I thought maybe there were a few places on the Internet I wouldn't run into gamergate-chat. Let's maybe reopen this in a few days when maybe people will be inclined to talk about the comic again.
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Sep 21, 2014 23:01
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Don't close threads. We have report buttons as well as PMs for mods/even admins if you have issues.
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Sep 22, 2014 08:36
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Afraid of Audio posted:I could empty-quote every post you made on the topic, but I'll spare people and say it's equally as dumb. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=URO_wVuGYTA
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Sep 22, 2014 08:46
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Fucks sake, not again!
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Sep 22, 2014 14:35
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idonotlikepeas posted:What is the comic about, then? quote:So... it's a furry comic? Calvin and Hobbes is obviously not a furry comic, as the main cast are not anthropomorphic animals, except for Hobbes, and even then he is likely a projection of Calvin's mind.  I find this comparison especially egregious because last time I checked, Calvin and Hobbes wasn't about either of the titular characters as a barely functional members of society and the audience being willful and active participants in seeking to make them suffer which, as you describe in the OP, is one of the driving reasons why people like this webcomic.
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jetz0r posted:So how many updates till something terrible happens to Katia, and how bad is it going to be? I figure 2 updates before the heist, a couple for the heist itself, one where she seems to get away cleanly, and then that orc pops up. Its been a while since we had a visit from the best character. I've changed my mind and am also now willing to reopen the catboob discussion if that's what it will take for this to go away.
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Sep 22, 2014 15:02
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Wales Grey posted:Thundercats, Pogo, and Bugs Bunny all revolve around anthropomorphic animals. Therefore, they are by definition, furry comics/cartoons. Q.E.D. You'll note that I never said they weren't. I only asked if you, the hypothetical reader, dared to call them that. The point of that section is, in its entirety, that dismissing the comic because it has a talking cat in it is silly, because plenty of things have talking cats and/or other animals in them and are okay. If you don't like it for reasons not related to the fact that there is a talking cat in there, sure. Plenty of people aren't going to like Prequel. It's an odd kind of comic, and I don't recommend it to everyone. I'd generally say you should just read a few pages and see if it's your thing. Wales Grey posted:Calvin and Hobbes is obviously not a furry comic, as the main cast are not anthropomorphic animals, except for Hobbes, and even then he is likely a projection of Calvin's mind. Well, A) that actually maps a lot more closely to Prequel since most of the people there aren't anthropomorphic animals either, B) I don't think anyone would say Prequel is as good as Calvin and Hobbes is - that isn't the intention of including it in that list, and C) Hobbes is BOTH real AND a projection of Calvin's mind, come on, that's how kids work.
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Sep 22, 2014 15:18
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Afraid of Audio posted:This does not change the context of a comic that is focused on making GBS threads on a female character at all. See, your problem seems to be that you were under the impression the context of the comic wasn't awful in the first place.
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Sep 22, 2014 16:12
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Who What Now posted:See, your problem seems to be that you were under the impression the context of the comic wasn't awful in the first place. I never said that. It just makes it worse.
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Sep 22, 2014 17:49
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What qualifies as a good webcomic in that regard
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Sep 22, 2014 18:27
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Grapplejack posted:What qualifies as a good webcomic in that regard There are no good webcomics. There are especially no good furry webcomics. There are definitely no good furry hurt/comfort comics for weirdos who don't understand emotions. (this comic is bad and you should all feel bad)
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Sep 22, 2014 18:48
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Afraid of Audio posted:I never said that. I'm not sure you can get worse than "sexually objectifying alcoholic cat-lady: the webcomic". Like it was only mostly bad before, but now because Kaz has said some dumb spergy garbage it's worse? I suppose so, but it's like saying 101 pounds of poo poo is worse than 100 pounds of poo poo. I mean, I'm still gonna read it, but no one should be any illusions that it could ever get meaningfully worse.
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Sep 22, 2014 18:50
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Who What Now posted:I'm not sure you can get worse than "sexually objectifying alcoholic cat-lady: the webcomic". Like it was only mostly bad before, but now because Kaz has said some dumb spergy garbage it's worse? I suppose so, but it's like saying 101 pounds of poo poo is worse than 100 pounds of poo poo. You have no idea.
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Sep 22, 2014 18:55
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Afraid of Audio posted:You have no idea. No, I have a pretty good idea. There is much, much worse out there than what's posted in the GBS thread.
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Sep 22, 2014 19:02
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Who What Now posted:No, I have a pretty good idea. There is much, much worse out there than what's posted in the GBS thread. That's true -- as far as I know nobody has posted Homestuck yet.
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Sep 22, 2014 19:03
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Allen Wren posted:(this comic is bad and you should all feel bad) I feel so bad man, I'm crying tears every time I open the tab to read this bad webcomic because I'm enjoying sick, depraved filth and I just can't stop myself from enjoying it and I know, I just know that when I arrived in hell and the devil reads off my sins to me, "Enjoys the webcomic Prequel" will be the one at the very, very top of the list.
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Sep 22, 2014 19:04
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SatansBestBuddy posted:I feel so bad man, I'm crying tears every time I open the tab to read this bad webcomic because I'm enjoying sick, depraved filth and I just can't stop myself from enjoying it and I know, I just know that when I arrived in hell and the devil reads off my sins to me, "Enjoys the webcomic Prequel" will be the one at the very, very top of the list. Yes.
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Sep 22, 2014 19:04
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I've seen things man. You weren't there. You don't know nothing about the gamergate war of '14.
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Wales Grey posted:Thundercats, Pogo, and Bugs Bunny all revolve around anthropomorphic animals. Therefore, they are by definition, furry comics/cartoons. Q.E.D. They are in Prequel, so it is a furry comic. Jackard fucked around with this message at 19:55 on Sep 22, 2014 |
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Sep 22, 2014 19:52
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Waterhaul posted:Don't close threads. Can you please gas this thread already, then?
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Sep 22, 2014 20:15
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HardDisk posted:Can you please gas this thread already, then? Nah. I don't think people discussing more in a thread that averages like 5 posts a month (if lucky) needs to be gassed and it contains the webcomic to this thread.
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I got this thead up until the point where it was closed, now I have no idea what's going on.
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A few people who don't like Prequel have shown up to say that they don't like Prequel. Which is fine; the thread is about Prequel, after all.
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Prequel is as much a furry comic as playing Oblivion while being a Khajit and controlling your character in third person is a furry game. Honestly though, why does it matter one way or another? If your main criticism of the comic is that the main character is a cat I'd argue that your analysis is surface level at best, and if that's the kind of thing that puts you off then I'll just be sad that you never got to enjoy some pretty fun shows like Darkwing Duck, TMNT, or Lion King. It's your prerogative though.
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Sep 23, 2014 01:09
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Everything is furry, obviously.
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I've asked for recommendations for other web comics dealing with someone struggling with intense self-hatred. The only suggestion I ever got was Dave Willis's stuff.
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RandomPauI posted:I've asked for recommendations for other web comics dealing with someone struggling with intense self-hatred. The only suggestion I ever got was Dave Willis's stuff. I seem to recall that being a theme in Ava's Demon.
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Brackhar posted:Prequel is as much a furry comic as playing Oblivion while being a Khajit and controlling your character in third person is a furry game. No my main criticism is that it is torture-porn. Also yes its a furry comic.
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Unsounded maybe? Duane is in a weird place.
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Afraid of Audio posted:No my main criticism is that it is torture-porn. Don't forget the multiple cases of rape-as-a-punchline.
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Afraid of Audio posted:No my main criticism is that it is torture-porn. Yeah, there was a series of panels early on that were pretty dark. I guess in my case I benefited from starting to read later in the cycle, so in my case they just seemed like darker notes to make the smaller triumphs seem better. I've been pretty happy with the late change of tone towards the positive, however.
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Brackhar posted:If your main criticism of the comic is that the main character is a cat I'd argue that your analysis is surface level at best, and if that's the kind of thing that puts you off then I'll just be sad that you never got to enjoy some pretty fun shows like Darkwing Duck, TMNT, or Lion King.
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idonotlikepeas posted:You'll note that I never said they weren't. I only asked if you, the hypothetical reader, dared to call them that. I agree; dismissing a work immediately, for purely for aesthetic concerns is usually not a good idea. (Ted Rall being one of the many, many exceptions that proves the rule true.) It just comes across as overly defensive. And I also agree that Prequel is a very odd comic, and that many people would not enjoy it for varying reasons. I doubt many people I know would care to read it because most of them have little to no interest in reading fanfiction, in any format. quote:Well, A) that actually maps a lot more closely to Prequel since most of the people there aren't anthropomorphic animals either, B) I don't think anyone would say Prequel is as good as Calvin and Hobbes is - that isn't the intention of including it in that list, and C) Hobbes is BOTH real AND a projection of Calvin's mind, come on, that's how kids work. Agreed on all counts, but you failed to counter my contention that Prequel is basically an abuse or hurt/comfort oblivion fanfiction that was explicitly written for its readers to, in your words, make a cat cry. What I'm asking is for an argument that justifies the adoration of Prequel that is compatable with holding other, thematically similar media such as Jack in contempt, to say nothing of Yukkuri fanshit, Fluffy Pony, and the ryona genre. Disclaimer: if you haven't been exposed to the examples I've listed, I strongly advise against any sort of internet search into them. Double Disclaimner: Do not, in any circumstances, expose yourself or others to the aformentioned examples unless you are a trained and licenced webcomic miner with the appropriate PPE. The GBS webcomics thread is a place where people who lack the training and experience to safely observe webcomics in their natural habitat can observe them with the oversight of trained webcomics mining experts.
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Jackard posted:Look, this isn't hard. Those shows don't fetishize their characters, so they are not furry. And yet furries fetishize them. Get over it, it is bad.
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Allen Wren posted:And yet furries fetishize them. Get over it, it is bad. When it comes to Prequel, yes.
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Allen Wren posted:And yet furries fetishize them. Get over it, it is bad. Wait, I don't think the post you quoted is defending Prequel, just saying that not every cartoon or comic with animals is furrybait.
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Brackhar posted:Yeah, there was a series of panels early on that were pretty dark. I guess in my case I benefited from starting to read later in the cycle, so in my case they just seemed like darker notes to make the smaller triumphs seem better. I've been pretty happy with the late change of tone towards the positive, however. I'm not expecting everything to go right for Katia from now on, but I hope things start improving for her. I don't know why, but that interactive update where Aggy pushed Katia into solving that puzzle felt like the start of something new- and I hope I'm not wrong. Maybe it's about time for Katia to have a true victory.
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Jackard posted:Look, this isn't hard. Those shows don't fetishize their characters, so they are not furry. That requirement doesn't really exist, though. Plenty of furries call things furry when they aren't about sex, and I have to assume they know which stuff is furry? I think it's mainly about wanting desperately to not like a "furry" thing, so whatever stuff you think is okay just gets labelled as non-furry. Like, what about Fritz the Cat? That's pretty fetishy, but most people would prefer to think "turning point of indie animation" than "furry thing". It's sort of like people desperately trying to slot fantasy and science fiction works like Tuck Everlasting or Slaughterhouse Five into some other genres because GOD FORBID the thing they like belong to a genre they hate. Wales Grey posted:Agreed on all counts, but you failed to counter my contention that Prequel is basically an abuse or hurt/comfort oblivion fanfiction that was explicitly written for its readers to, in your words, make a cat cry. Why would I counter that? It's accurate. Although more on the hurt/comfort end of the spectrum than the abuse end, but more on that in a second. Wales Grey posted:What I'm asking is for an argument that justifies the adoration of Prequel that is compatable with holding other, thematically similar media such as Jack in contempt, to say nothing of Yukkuri fanshit, Fluffy Pony, and the ryona genre. It has much better art and more clever writing than any of those. Although saying something has better writing than Jack is like saying it is less dangerous than stabbing yourself in the face. To be more specific, the general pattern of Prequel is that the narrative and the circumstances of the world are SO HORRIBLE to the character that the readers are actually, ultimately, forced to be on her side. (My statement in the OP that we're all terrible people for enjoying the comic and the cat being sad is primarily a joke.) People love an underdog, particularly in the sort of generally heroic fantasy fiction that Oblivion is and therefore Prequel is assumed to be. And Katia is deliberately constructed as the ultimate underdog (undercat?). If you read through, you'll see a number of places where the circumstances conspire against her so ridiculously that the readers submitting commands are inspired to unleash a paroxysm of helpful advice, and as it fails to actually positively affect the situation, the firehose just starts flowing faster. The sequence with the King Dream starting on this page is a perfect example of that. Is this a cheap trick? Sure. Lots of fiction uses cheap tricks. But in this case, it's something that's leveraging the specific medium Prequel exists in (fan-command-driven comic stories) to produce a powerful emotional response in some readers. The story is then spaced out with jokes (usually fairly good ones, in context) to keep it from being a monotonous grind. That's why people like it, in general; it has a good balance of those moments and never loses a sense of its own ridiculousness. Things like Jack or pony fanwank tend to either stuff themselves up their own asses from day one and refuse to acknowledge their own ridiculousness, or take refuge in "wackiness", a word which actually means throwing random comedy poo poo at the wall to see what sticks. Prequel doesn't go to either of those extremes. And, really, I'm not going to try to convince people to like it. All that I'm hoping is that people don't dismiss it for trivial and lovely reasons, like "OH NO CATGIRLS". If you look at it and still don't like it, you know, more power to you.
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