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twistedmentat posted:Cockney Alfred? Sure. Errr... MICHAEL CAINE
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Bum the Sad posted:My name is Nigma and I tell riddles! What subtle foreshadowing! To be fair that's literally what he is in the comics. I mean the smart solution is to just not put a lovely character like The Riddler in at all, but if you're gonna, yea he's gonna be fuckin stupid. Still I'm on the fence, on one hand this show seems to be trying REALLY HARD and good for that, there's really clever ideas like that 'we have a bunch of background people planned who maybe could become the joker who knows' and the general concept of it taking place in a broad, vague 'the past' to allow character interactions we wouldn't normally see, but wow the writing is horrible. Like, I'm a comic nerd and even I'm going 'no, people don't talk like this'. I'm looking forward to Lil Catwoman looking at Bruce and smirking before saying 'I guess you can say I'm a little catty' or some poo poo.
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Sep 23, 2014 05:02
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It's... okay, if you can get past the groan-worthy villain introductions, clunky dialogue, and terrible bisexual love triangle subplots. I definitely think the prequel aspect will prove to be this show's undoing. And to think they could have just done a Gotham Central adaptation.
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Josh Lyman posted:Oh man, catwoman is actually feeding cats. catwoman being creepy was hands down the best part of the episode.
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Sep 23, 2014 05:07
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Barry Convex posted:It's... okay, if you can get past the groan-worthy villain introductions, clunky dialogue, and terrible bisexual love triangle subplots. Yea I really, really, hope this show focuses on the cops through the plotline. I can deal with corny 'WE GOTTA SET EVERYTHING UP' prequel syndrome if it means I get an actually well done, good production values, show that's just fuckin cops in a city full of lunatics who think putting a green suit on and putting a bomb in a clock tower makes them crime bosses. The series of comics that was just like, following the GCPD around in Batman's wake and poo poo was the best, I want more of that. Gordon is good, he had the least groany lines of the cast, give me more of him and his cop buddies dealing with this totally retarded city, and the occasional look at Bruce and all.
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Sep 23, 2014 05:09
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Yeah they really have to tone down the winks to the audience, but apart from that I enjoyed it enough for a pilot. My personal gripe is still the prequel concept. I'd like to see them jump forward 4-5 years each season and actually have Batman working with Gordon in the later seasons rather than presumably ending with Bruce donning the cape and cowl at the end.
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Sep 23, 2014 05:16
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This show is beautiful but goddamn someone has to do something about the dialogue. I hope it was just pilot-itis because the style of this show is great and I'd hate for it to be taken down by horrible dialogue.
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Sep 23, 2014 05:40
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At least they didn't name the kid character Bruce Batman.
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Sep 23, 2014 05:48
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Deadpool posted:This show is beautiful but goddamn someone has to do something about the dialogue. I hope it was just pilot-itis because the style of this show is great and I'd hate for it to be taken down by horrible dialogue. My name is James Gordon, GCPD. I don't know, I think the writing was really pretty hack. Jim looking Bullock in the eye and reciting his casting sheet for the character was just lazy. Nice to meet you, I'm James Gordon. And the villain cameos? Blah. Unless whoever wrote the pilot got doored, I don't picture the dialogue improving. I'm James Gordon, I'm a Police Officer. Edit: here is my badge, in case you don't remember me. Can I have that back, now?
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Sep 23, 2014 05:50
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Yeah, I would have preferred a Gotham Central T.V. show as well, but it is what it is. I imagine "We'll do a show in the batman universe, but never show batman or Bruce Wayne at all" is not a very sexy pitch. DC probably only went for it because they already had 5 batman books, or whatever.Yannick_B posted:This felt like the only interesting (and sort of new) idea in the story. By being morally-upstanding, Gordon might just push Gotham farther in the direction it needs to have a Batman. That is going to be one of the problems of the show though. We know Gordon ends up as commissioner, so threats to his life aren't going to mean much. We know that Gotham is an utterly corrupt cesspool when Batman shows up, so he can't clean up the police department in any meaningful way. I do really like the time jump idea though, and it's something that's rarely done in T.V. 2-3 seasons of Gordon working on the Wayne murders before solving them in the finale of that arc while maybe taking down Fish Mooney or some other crime figure. Bruce makes his final arrangements to begin training like hell after foreshadowing it like hell in creepy, sociopathic ways. Skip to 4 or 5 years later for the next 2-3 seasons. Penguin's got a decent criminal operation going, Ivy's plants are bigger or whatever, Gordon's gotten a promotion but still partnered with Logue, and Bruce is shown training. With all the crazy techniques Batman has, you could send him to a new master every few episodes and be fine. Then the final season is Batman arriving, Gordon becoming commissioner with batman's help, a wink and a nod that Gordon knows batman's identity and batman knows he knows, and they team up to take out joker for the first time in the series finale. Of course, instead I expect we'll just get Gordon trying to clean up the police force for the entire series, then it ends with him promoted to commissioner and Batman shown gliding into the city. All I can reasonably hope for is that they space out the time jumps over the course of the show, rather than doing one sudden one at the end.
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Sep 23, 2014 05:54
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Tuxedo Jack posted:Unless whoever wrote the pilot got doored, I don't picture the dialogue improving. Hamfisted pilot / early episode dialog isn't that uncommon, and it's not that hard to fix.
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Sep 23, 2014 05:54
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I like how the murder of the Waynes is way more bloody than in any of the movies because Fox 8pm television.
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Sep 23, 2014 06:08
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The dialogue is abysmal but I'll probably watch at least the first season. I'm gay for Batman, I can't help it. It bothers me that some of the super-villains are already adults but on the other hand it's actually kind of funny. It seems like Batman is going to be spending a lot of time beating up senior citizens in the future.
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Sep 23, 2014 06:08
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Woof. What an atrocious pilot.
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Sep 23, 2014 06:10
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Ivy loving Pepper. gently caress everything else, I better get some preteen Gotham City Sirens hijinks. Honestly, just get rid of every adult character and have it be about Bruce and the Sirens solving mysteries. I'd watch that. MantisToboggan posted:It seems like Batman is going to be spending a lot of time beating up senior citizens in the future. Speaking of which, is Professor Crane expected to make an appearance?
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Sep 23, 2014 06:52
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Jim Gordon's Batman Babies
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Sep 23, 2014 07:28
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Stunning looking, absolutely horrifically written. Hopefully they take the writing duties away from the janitorial staff because it'd be a shame to see this kind of art direction wasted.
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Sep 23, 2014 07:58
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That was pretty bad but in an oddly endearing way, but good lord the heavy-handed foreshadowing of all those future villains they squashed in there was pretty hilarious. Worst part of the show was probably this: While the best part of the episode was a tie between motherfucking Rawls showing up as Falcone, and THIS: 
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Sep 23, 2014 09:46
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Rawls as Falcone is such good casting  Calling it now, the biggest complaint goons will have about this show is 'Just get to Batman already'. The show's not going to do Batman, accept it.
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Sep 23, 2014 10:29
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So long as they don't keep adding villains every week, I'm down. DC Multiverse what if, who gives a gently caress
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Sep 23, 2014 10:42
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Rarity posted:Rawls as Falcone is such good casting Pretty sure everyone with a brain has accepted it. The biggest problem is the dialogue so far and that seems to be what most people have thought was terrible. And rightly so.
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Sep 23, 2014 10:57
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The editing on that chase scene was really bad too, especially because that huge dude was apparently incredibly agile and quick on his feet and young, healthy war hero Jim Gordon couldn't keep up with him. But yeah, Rawls as Falcone 
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Sep 23, 2014 11:07
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Rarity posted:Rawls as Falcone is such good casting That is in no way the problem with this show.
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Sep 23, 2014 11:30
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Rarity posted:Rawls as Falcone is such good casting I'd be fine with them removing both Bruce and Selina because I fear that we will get some teenage romance/early Batman poo poo that will be unbearable. Her being creepy stalkerish around Bruce is not a good sign for things to come.
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Sep 23, 2014 11:47
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I would have loved to see Bruce killed off with his parents and seen what they do with these characters (freeing it up from being an extended Batman Begins).
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Sep 23, 2014 12:10
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The pilot was pretty bad, but then again the Arrow pilot wasn't great, but over time the writers figured out what works and the show turned out to be pretty awesome. Let's not forget about the the Spartacus pilot, which was probably the worst hour of television I've ever seen prior to Under the Dome, and that show turned out to be amazing as well. Gotham is salvageable, and I'll stick around until the bitter end.
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Sep 23, 2014 12:35
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I also had a problem with "We shot an innocent man". The guy attacked the cops during while being questioned, instantly started shooting at the one who started chasing him and then tried to stab that same guy. Innocent of the Wayne murders or not, even in that corrupt rear end city, it would still have been a justified shooting.
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Sep 23, 2014 12:38
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The only thing I don't like about this so far is Sean Pertwee as Alfred (though he's not as bad as Michael Caine), but Alfred should have a RP accent.
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Sep 23, 2014 13:26
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I thought 'ol Poison Ivy's name was Pam, not Ivy?? Was it not obvious enough?? Although I suppose they're going to have to change the character's backstory, so it might as well be a new character entirely.
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Sep 23, 2014 13:43
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Tiggum posted:The only thing I don't like about this so far is Sean Pertwee as Alfred (though he's not as bad as Michael Caine), but Alfred should have a RP accent. Why? What is one good reason for this that isn't "that's how BTAS did it." I think it works, since Alfred is not supposed to be a vanilla English butler.
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Sep 23, 2014 13:53
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JohnSherman posted:Why? What is one good reason for this that isn't "that's how BTAS did it." He's a butler/valet. I've never watched BTAS.
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Sep 23, 2014 13:55
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AFewBricksShy posted:I also had a problem with "We shot an innocent man". The shooting was justified, but the sequence of events that lead to the shooting was all on the cops. And if they have the death penalty in Gotham, framing him would be the same as killing him. I don't like the idea that the deaths of Thomas and Martha was part of some grand, over-arching conspiracy that not even the mob boss of Gotham knows about. Random street crime that goes unsolved is to my mind a more powerful motivation for young master Bruce.
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Sep 23, 2014 13:58
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Tiggum posted:He's a butler/valet. I've never watched BTAS. Received Pronunciation is the accent of private boarding school educated aristocrats. Why would a servant have such an accent? having a working class accent is far more appropriate. I liked Bruce and Alfred - Honestly I'd prefer a show focused on them. That kid does creepy potential psychopath very well. The Lord Bude fucked around with this message at 14:11 on Sep 23, 2014 |
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gannyGrabber posted:I thought 'ol Poison Ivy's name was Pam, not Ivy?? Was it not obvious enough?? Yeah, it's really more a backstory to the backstory, considering the length of time it would take for Pamela's canonical backstory to initiate. howe_sam posted:I don't like the idea that the deaths of Thomas and Martha was part of some grand, over-arching conspiracy that not even the mob boss of Gotham knows about. Random street crime that goes unsolved is to my mind a more powerful motivation for young master Bruce. I thought that Falcone in the end pretty much confirmed that it was a random street killing, and all the conspiracy stuff was a red herring.
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Tiggum posted:He's a butler/valet. I've never watched BTAS. Alfred is a badass, step off man
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Sep 23, 2014 14:12
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howe_sam posted:The shooting was justified, but the sequence of events that lead to the shooting was all on the cops. And if they have the death penalty in Gotham, framing him would be the same as killing him. I'd disagree. Nothing regarding the frame up, with the exception of planting the necklace which the guy didn't even know about yet, had been brought out yet. They just had a tip that the guy had a necklace, told him they were going to search the place, and then the guy throws a table at them and starts shooting at them. If they had made it where they found the necklace already then the guy flips out, it may have been a bit more justified for the guy to react the way he did.
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The Lord Bude posted:Received Pronunciation is the accent of private boarding school educated aristocrats. Why would a servant have such an accent? having a working class accent is far more appropriate.
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Mira posted:Yeah, it's really more a backstory to the backstory, considering the length of time it would take for Pamela's canonical backstory to initiate. Yea the end was totally 'yea it was a random crime, gently caress you though', the conspiracy stuff was just the cops being led around on a wild goose chase. Also agreeing that Alfred having an RP accent, while well done in the animated show, fits way less than him sounding like a working class dude. I liked Caine, I like this guy, I like an 'approachable' Alfred, this guy sounds and acts like a guy who would make a good surrogate father figure for a kid like Bruce because he's kinda just a dude who happens to be the Wayne family servant rather than THE ANCIENT AND NOBLE SCION OF THE WAY OF BUTLER. If we must have a batman prequel that will probably go the smallville route and never have Bruce put the cowl on until the last episode, we better get a good deal of Bruce and Alfred broing out because that dynamic is one of the few on the show that 100% worked, Bruce is a great little future sociopath, Alfred is a great butler who desperately wants to help, I wanna see them interact way more than I wanna see a cop sneer and say 'spare me your riddles, Nigma' before the camera zooms in on the Riddler and the producers basically jump in front of the lens and shout "GET IT?!"
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Tatum Girlparts posted:Yea the end was totally 'yea it was a random crime, gently caress you though', the conspiracy stuff was just the cops being led around on a wild goose chase. There's got to be more to the killing though, with the $6 bullet and shiny shoes that the killer wore. There's no way that this is the last we're going to see of that investigation.
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I...really enjoyed the pilot, or rather the potential that I saw there. The dialogue was terrible in a lot of places, but I'm more willing to blame that on its over-stylized nature that fits with the way the episode was shot. Given time I think they can definitely work out those particular kinks. The Riddler is also one of my favorite villains so I had a soft-spot for his introduction. Already you can tell that the show is trying to set itself apart through its atmosphere, which overall is what worked for me. Though I can already tell I'm going to watch this show less for Gordon and more for everybody else. The only thing I really disliked was catgirl...protocatwoman...whatever the gently caress. She felt largely unnecessary and, as others pointed out, creepy.
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