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WickedHate posted:Reading this thread and that case specifically made me really terrified when I saw an old man holding hands with a little girl at a store today. I'm sure it was most likely her grandfather or something, and it's horrible to judge something like that because someone doesn't seem like a "typical" guardian, but I still got really scared because what if it's something like that, you know? Should I run up to the girl and ask her or something? What if I don't but she really is being put through hell? I investigate child abuse for a living. Don't let it get to you. The likelihood of a random person on the street uncovering abuse is negligible. What you should do is keep an (non-creepy, non-paranoid) eye on the children in your life - your friends kids, your students, your neighbors, your relatives. It's usually someone with a relationship with a child who brings it to our attention. And for the love of god if a child tells you something, don't go talk to their loving parents, call the local child abuse hotline. Also, 99% of the time that's grandpa and that child is probably lucky to have them.
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This was posted in the previous thread. http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/unid.html A sad story behind each one.
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Oh hey, here's a fun one: http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/45ufms.html Distressed mother drops/throws baby in the river and then follows her. No sign of who either of them are. Unclear if mom's body was retrieved. Baby was still alive when she went in. Even better: http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/50ufny.html Strangled toddler found stuffed in a plastic picnic cooler. They also found porn of her, and she may have been carried around in the cooler for nine days before it was abandoned. 
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kanonvandekempen posted:I remember reading a story about an american pilot that was shot down after the bombs were dropped, and he was interrogated about them. Having no idea what they were, he just made up a story about new superweapons and how there were 100s of them in stock, in the hope of not getting killed and tortured too badly. So they sent a Japanese scientist, to get more technical details out of him. The scientist saw through his story right away, but wanted the war to end, so he just confirmed everything the captive said. My Dad was sitting in his plane on a carrier near Japan, ready to go on another mission, when the surrender was announced. Everyone on board was grateful beyond measure. After dealing with the Japanese across the Pacific, the thought of what they'd have to do to win was horrifying to him. He knew how they'd fight, and why, and that the casualties would be very high. So it's a bit more than an intellectual debate, for many of us know the people slated to do the fighting, and we all know how horrible the outcome would be.
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Khazar-khum posted:So it's a bit more than an intellectual debate, for many of us know the people slated to do the fighting, and we all know how horrible the outcome would be. I'm not entirely convinced an invasion would have even been necessary. Like someone said earlier, by that point almost every major city in Japan had been burnt to the ground, and it's possible that bombers alone could have finished the war. It wasn't talked about openly but the USAAF had finally figured out exactly how to start a firestorm... besides at least moderate winds, the crucial factor wasn't amount of incendiaries but concentration of incendiaries. The official plan was high altitude carpet bombing, but Gen. Curtis LeMay forced his B-29s to fly in at 5,000 feet so they couldn't possibly miss, with their guns removed so they could carry more bombs. (His article itself is pretty scary and unnerving. General Jack D. Ripper in Dr. Strangelove was based on LeMay.) Bomber crews were pretty upset, because this made them vulnerable to fighter attack whereas they'd be invulnerable at 30,000 feet. The few remaining Japanese aircraft and pilots did a fair job of taking down B-29s by making a head-on attack then ramming into their wing. Bomber crews were near mutiny until LeMay cracked down on them and started personally leading the missions. For every one of his airmen who died, so did a thousand Japanese civilians, and that was a war of attrition that he felt he could win. To get bomber crews prepared nuclear war without compromising secrecy, hundreds of "pumpkin bombs" were built. Pumpkin bombs were identical in shape and size to Fat Man plutonium bombs, but were filled with conventional explosives. They figured they didn't need a cover story for dropping huge bombs on Japan. Dropped from 30,000 feet and aimed by radar, they proved to be distressingly inaccurate. One of them was dropped using the Emperor's Imperial Palace as ground zero, missing it by a comfortable margin. I read a book once of a-bomb eyewitness accounts. The rumor amongst the survivors was that Americans had dropped powdered magnesium and liquid gasoline.. they couldn't think of any explanation for it besides a city-sized fuel-air explosion. Syd Midnight has a new favorite as of 09:16 on Sep 23, 2014 |
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Kimmalah posted:Not you specifically but I've seen a few people talk about nuclear attacks like Hiroshima as if they were "better" than firebombing, etc. because of this idea that everyone just gets vaporized, but nuclear war has some awful poo poo all its own that you don't always hear about. Like the so-called "ant-walking alligator" people of Hiroshima: The comments on that article are more scary and unnerving than the article itself
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RevSyd posted:It wasn't talked about openly but the USAAF had finally figured out exactly how to start a firestorm... besides at least moderate winds, the crucial factor wasn't amount of incendiaries but concentration of incendiaries. It was the British firebombing of Dresden when they stumbled across this phenomenon called 'A Firestorm' IIRC. Of course this was perfected for 'larger scale' operations later.
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Herv posted:It was the British firebombing of Dresden when they stumbled across this phenomenon called 'A Firestorm' IIRC. Yeah, but the British got the idea from the Germans. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Great_Fire_of_London Tit for tat.
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Khazar-khum posted:So it's a bit more than an intellectual debate, for many of us know the people slated to do the fighting, and we all know how horrible the outcome would be. I thought it was generally agreed that the Japanese would have surrendered earlier if they were assured that they could keep their emperor (and they ended up keeping their emperor anyway). Wildeyes has a new favorite as of 13:35 on Sep 23, 2014 |
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Astrofig posted:Oh hey, here's a fun one: Jesus. This site may be worth a hosts file entry to block it. Those are the most depressing reads.
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Wildeyes posted:I thought it was generally agreed that the Japanese would have surrendered earlier if they were assured that they could keep their emperor (and they ended up keeping their emperor anyway). That depends, one of the problems was that the United States felt that guaranteeing the status of the emperor meant that the rest of the Japanese high command would be much more difficult to prosecute, and in any event whether Hirohito was actually 'clean' with regards to Japan's conduct during the war remains controversial. Also, particularly delusional elements of the Japanese government thought that they could somehow crowbar an agreement that would allow them to continue to hold their (Brutal, Genocidal) empire in China and Korea even at the eleventh hour.
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khwarezm posted:That depends, one of the problems was that the United States felt that guaranteeing the status of the emperor meant that the rest of the Japanese high command would be much more difficult to prosecute, and in any event whether Hirohito was actually 'clean' with regards to Japan's conduct during the war remains controversial. I don't think that it's particularly controversial, Hirohito was in it up to his neck, it's just not widely known because of post-war US-Japanese policy.
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Zeroisanumber posted:I don't think that it's particularly controversial, Hirohito was in it up to his neck, it's just not widely known because of post-war US-Japanese policy. Well in Japan its pretty controversial and a touchy subject, as is everything else to do with the war really. There's also the line of argument that Hirohito was only doing his duties as emperor and that his subordinates were moving things along in a dangerous direction while he didn't have enough control to stop them, basically he and the rest of the country were duped by the military, I don't really buy this though. khwarezm has a new favorite as of 15:58 on Sep 23, 2014 |
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This was posted in the last thread. Basically a page for a killer who has been on the run since the 80s. The 3D image of the man's face is horrifying, and the audio of the voicemail message the killer left one of his future victims is on the page, which is utterly chilling: http://www.ear-ons.com/index2.html
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Astrofig posted:http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/50ufny.html Anjelica Castillo, the child in the cooler, was identified in 2013. Her father had stolen her and a sister from her mother, Margarita Castillo, and had then dumped the children with his niece, who covered up her brother's murder of the child. Anjelica's mother was afraid of calling the cops. The other sister grew up and is now married.
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Dusty Baker 2 posted:This was posted in the last thread. Basically a page for a killer who has been on the run since the 80s. The 3D image of the man's face is horrifying, and the audio of the voicemail message the killer left one of his future victims is on the page, which is utterly chilling: The image looks super goofy to me and I don't want to hear him taunt/threaten his victim because I'd prefer it to stay that way.
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In reply to the talk about Hiroshima, people might want to check out Barefoot Gen which is a Manga written from the standpoint of a hibakusha which if I recall from my undergrad days means something like "blast oriented person," or someone who was near one of the two atomic bombs dropped on Japan. Barefoot Gen has some seriously, seriously disturbing images. The scenes when he visits the river are forever scarred in my brain. Someone can correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe hibakusha was an actual legal designation from the Japanese government. If I recall, some who survived the blast but weren't "that close" to it weren't considered hibakusha. Why that matters I am not sure.
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Mr. Kurtz posted:In reply to the talk about Hiroshima, people might want to check out Barefoot Gen which is a Manga written from the standpoint of a hibakusha which if I recall from my undergrad days means something like "blast oriented person," or someone who was near one of the two atomic bombs dropped on Japan. Barefoot Gen has some seriously, seriously disturbing images. The scenes when he visits the river are forever scarred in my brain. Wikipedia has a pretty detailed article on hibakusha, too. The reason why some survivors are disqualified is probably because all hibakusha get a special allowance from the government and those who suffer from bomb-related health complications have their medical fees taken care of. Gotta keep costs down. Apparently a lot of people don't understand how radiation sickness works, and the survivors get discriminated against because of that. As if getting nuked wasn't enough of an insult.
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Lumberjack Bonanza posted:Wikipedia has a pretty detailed article on hibakusha, too. The reason why some survivors are disqualified is probably because all hibakusha get a special allowance from the government and those who suffer from bomb-related health complications have their medical fees taken care of. Gotta keep costs down. Speaking of Japanese victim-blaming: What happens when you place a chemical factory on the edge of a tributary leading to one of the largest fishing areas in Japan? You get Minamata disease, aka mercury poisoning. And what do you do when that chemical factory is the largest employer in town? quote:Patients' families were the victim of discrimination and ostracism from the local community. Local people felt that the company (and their city that depended upon it) was facing economic ruin. To some patients this ostracism by the community represented a greater fear than the disease itself.
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Solice Kirsk posted:Was he playing his own sound track during that call? Yes. Yes he was.
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benito posted:Jean Thurel lived from 1698 to 1807 and spent 90 years of his life serving as a French soldier under everyone from Louis XV to Napoleon I. He was in the infantry for 90 years. He wasn't a desk soldier; he was a fusilier, which meant active. He refused to ride in carriages or wagons while in the field, marching with his unit even when in his late 80s.
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RevSyd posted:I'm not entirely convinced an invasion would have even been necessary. Like someone said earlier, by that point almost every major city in Japan had been burnt to the ground, and it's possible that bombers alone could have finished the war. It wasn't talked about openly but the USAAF had finally figured out exactly how to start a firestorm... besides at least moderate winds, the crucial factor wasn't amount of incendiaries but concentration of incendiaries. The official plan was high altitude carpet bombing, but Gen. Curtis LeMay forced his B-29s to fly in at 5,000 feet so they couldn't possibly miss, with their guns removed so they could carry more bombs. (His article itself is pretty scary and unnerving. General Jack D. Ripper in Dr. Strangelove was based on LeMay.)
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benito posted:Jean Thurel lived from 1698 to 1807 and spent 90 years of his life serving as a French soldier under everyone from Louis XV to Napoleon I. Khazar-khum posted:He was in the infantry for 90 years. He wasn't a desk soldier; he was a fusilier, which meant active. He refused to ride in carriages or wagons while in the field, marching with his unit even when in his late 80s. That's loving scary awesome. Edit: quote:On 8 November 1787, Thurel was presented to the royal court at the Palace of Versailles. Literally Kermit has a new favorite as of 13:46 on Sep 24, 2014 |
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quote:On June 13, 1944, the press reported that President Roosevelt had been presented with a letter-opener made out of a Japanese soldier's arm bone by Francis E. Walter, a Democratic congressman. The president commented "This is the sort of gift I like to get," and "There'll be plenty more such gifts". Way to set an example, prez.
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Your Gay Uncle posted:I've never really found anything to back this up but a history proffesor once told me that LeMay seriously advocated that we send several nukes into space because he was convinced that the Soviets were testing hydrogen bombs on the dark side of the moon. Testing nuclear bombs on the moon was something the US was actually considering doing in 1959 (PDF warning) -- http://www.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/425380.pdf quote:ABSTRACT
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Rabbit Hill posted:Testing nuclear bombs on the moon was something the US was actually considering doing in 1959 (PDF warning) -- http://www.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/425380.pdf https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z3zxDHsyKvs
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benito posted:Jean Thurel lived from 1698 to 1807 and spent 90 years of his life serving as a French soldier under everyone from Louis XV to Napoleon I. http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Last_surviving_United_States_war_veterans Pretty crazy how there was a War of 1812 vet alive untill 1905 Edit: http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicolas_Savin Nckdictator has a new favorite as of 16:44 on Sep 24, 2014 |
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Jonathan Yeah! posted:Way to set an example, prez. They still do that poo poo, incidentally. As recently as 2009 stories drifted out of the Middle East of Coalition soldiers making necklaces of slain insurgents' ears or fingers, or of tossing dead kids (that they killed) on the hood of their Humvees and driving around town with them, showing off the slaughter as some form of psychological warfare.
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Astrofig posted:They still do that poo poo, incidentally. As recently as 2009 stories drifted out of the Middle East of Coalition soldiers making necklaces of slain insurgents' ears or fingers, or of tossing dead kids (that they killed) on the hood of their Humvees and driving around town with them, showing off the slaughter as some form of psychological warfare. And people on this very forum supported them doing it because GiP is the loving twilight zone.
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Astrofig posted:They still do that poo poo, incidentally. As recently as 2009 stories drifted out of the Middle East of Coalition soldiers making necklaces of slain insurgents' ears or fingers, or of tossing dead kids (that they killed) on the hood of their Humvees and driving around town with them, showing off the slaughter as some form of psychological warfare. The Georgian military is pretty notorious for strapping dead Taliban to the front of their humvees. My buddy saw it a couple of times. But according to him worst thing about them is that they always cut in line.
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KozmoNaut posted:Here's another cheery one about WWII: Did Americans do the same to Germans? I mean, I doubt it but that's why I'm asking. The Soviets certainly raped and pillaged East Germany at least but Germany never did any damage to the United States. And the propaganda against Germany was more about ideology and propaganda against Japan was about race, seeing them as less than human whereas Germans were white.
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bean_shadow posted:Did Americans do the same to Germans? I mean, I doubt it but that's why I'm asking. The Soviets certainly raped and pillaged East Germany at least but Germany never did any damage to the United States. And the propaganda against Germany was more about ideology and propaganda against Japan was about race, seeing them as less than human whereas Germans were white. There were local atrocities and criminal acts, but by and large the Western Front was civilized by comparison. The Anglo-American and French armies were notorious for stealing anything that wasn't nailed down though.
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There were definitely instances where surrendering Germans were killed or where prisoners were later killed, especially those found running death camps. There may have been more massacring of civilians than reported also. Plus tons of rape and some civilian slave labor. No trophies made from bodies though: http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_war_crimes#World_War_II
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BattleMaster posted:The only argument I would make against the bombs is that it was actually the strategic bombing of Japanese cities by any type of bomb that contributed to the end of the war. I think people give way too much credit to the Manhattan Project. Without nuclear bombs the US would have kept up the firebombing campaign to similar results. (Also, the Soviet Union entering the war was the tipping point because even with cities burning the leadership thought they could hold out until they brought their vast reserves of weapons and manpower to the home islands. With the Soviets fighting them on the mainland those hopes were dashed)
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Pretty sure it killed any chance at re supply from Asia since the sea war was pretty much over. And.... SCHTALIN is coming?? Game over even if he tosses 5 million at em in row boats. Sorry for bad phone posting.
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Astrofig posted:They still do that poo poo, incidentally. As recently as 2009 stories drifted out of the Middle East of Coalition soldiers making necklaces of slain insurgents' ears or fingers, or of tossing dead kids (that they killed) on the hood of their Humvees and driving around town with them, showing off the slaughter as some form of psychological warfare. That reminds of an episode of Star Wars Clone Wars where the Jedi are looking for a clone traitor and discover that one of the clone is making a droid fingers necklace.
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Solice Kirsk posted:But according to him worst thing about them is that they always cut in line. Glass these savages
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