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"Based on the information the responding officers had" aka the fake-marine telling the cops the guy was running around waving the gun at people and the cops went in blazing
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At this point it's just kinda like. Well drat. Depressing to say the least.   Silly media and angry blacks, angry about blacks being killed instead of happy about a donation  SectumSempra fucked around with this message at 18:53 on Sep 24, 2014 |
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Sep 24, 2014 18:51
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SectumSempra posted:At this point it's just kinda like. Well drat. Depressing to say the least. That guy is the former mayor of Ferguson btw.
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Sep 24, 2014 18:54
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Fire everyone in that PD like the one Wilson came from. It's rotten to the core and beyond salvaging.Neo Duckberg posted:That guy is the former mayor of Ferguson btw. The same one that said racial segregation was just the natural state of things?
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Radish posted:Fire everyone in that PD like the one Wilson came from. He was there last night and someone brought up the gun thing, I'm just posting what I heard.
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Upon looking it up Brian Fletcher is the former mayor that thinks segregation isn't a big deal and also is involved in the "I love Ferguson" merchandise campaign.
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Sep 24, 2014 18:59
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Radish posted:Fire everyone in that PD like the one Wilson came from. It's rotten to the core and beyond salvaging. You have to keep in mind, your definition of "rotten" and the definition others use are different. For many people, what the police are doing is just fine.
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bassguitarhero posted:You have to keep in mind, your definition of "rotten" and the definition others use are different. For many people, what the police are doing is just fine. Yeah I understand and the knowledge that it won't change due to that is incredibly frustrating. I can't imagine what it feels like to people that are more affected by it than I am (as in almost not at all). Eggplant Squire fucked around with this message at 19:07 on Sep 24, 2014 |
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Sep 24, 2014 19:05
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bassguitarhero posted:You have to keep in mind, your definition of "rotten" and the definition others use are different. For many people, what the police are doing is just fine. The problem is that they're assuming when they police do something, they had a good reason. What works much better is letting this kind of dumb thing go to trial so that the police have to prove they had a good reason!
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Sep 24, 2014 19:08
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bassguitarhero posted:You have to keep in mind, your definition of "rotten" and the definition others use are different. For many people, what the police are doing is just fine. It's less that they're fine with it and more that it doesn't directly affect them. So they're all 'oh my why is there so much fuss, oh no, me oh my, I just want peace back. I dont even see race"
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theflyingorc posted:The problem is that they're assuming when they police do something, they had a good reason. What works much better is letting this kind of dumb thing go to trial so that the police have to prove they had a good reason! This would work much better if you had a problem with the way the system works, but as it is, when 12% of the nation can be disenfranchised and oppressed for the betterment of 88% of the nation, that's a sacrifice that 88% of the nation is more than willing to make. Letting it go to trial might show that the system isn't covering all Americans, but a majority of Americans have a distinct interest in not allowing that to happen. SectumSempra posted:It's less that they're fine with it and more that it doesn't directly affect them. Not only does it not affect them, but they are better off for it because it happens to others and not them. Allowing the police to focus on black folks means that everybody else becomes a little less dangerous in each other's eyes.
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I just learned that the DoJ is holding a meeting tonight at the community college to talk about their investigation. I have no idea whether or not this is another residents only thing, but if it's open, there'll be media there. I have to work tonight (hooray 2nd jobs), but I'm going to try to attend, if I can massage the schedule enough.
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OhNoLookOutRUN posted:I just learned that the DoJ is holding a meeting tonight at the community college to talk about their investigation. I have no idea whether or not this is another residents only thing, but if it's open, there'll be media there. I have to work tonight (hooray 2nd jobs), but I'm going to try to attend, if I can massage the schedule enough. Please spy on them for me.
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Also of note I'm going to try to worm my way into the county police department and do a ride along slash interview.
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bassguitarhero posted:This would work much better if you had a problem with the way the system works, but as it is, when 12% of the nation can be disenfranchised and oppressed for the betterment of 88% of the nation, that's a sacrifice that 88% of the nation is more than willing to make. Letting it go to trial might show that the system isn't covering all Americans, but a majority of Americans have a distinct interest in not allowing that to happen. When the problem is something where they immediately feel the repercussions personally, or at least fear that they might be affected (such as affirmative action), you get a lot of not giving an inch in the name of equality, sure - but when it comes to crime, I think that people either justify it through racism (blacks get arrested more because you know how they are), or more charitably through pity (they're getting arrested more because they were raised in that culture, it's so sad). The other issue is that people have a vested interested in believing the system is fair, because they need that to justify why life dealt them a good hand. If they correctly understood that cops 'n courts weren't fair if you're black, they'd have to admit that their life going well was happenstance, rather than something they'd earned.
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Hey guys, how about more depressing cops-killing-black-people news, remember the black guy shot at Walmart because he was holding a BB gun? Guess what? The cops won't be indicted:quote:A special grand jury chose not to indict two officers involved in a shooting outside a Dayton-area Walmart that resulted in the death of 22-year-old John Crawford III. Black people, I'm sorry that you can't: a) walk around a store without being shot and killed b) have your killers be prosecuted even though the justice system FULLY ADMITS you were completely innocent
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quote:At the news conference, Mark Piepmeier, the special prosecutor for the case, showed the media the similarities between an actual assault rifle and the BB gun Crawford was holding, noting how the cosmetics are almost identical. Why the gently caress would a prosecutor say this? Can you imagine in any other scenerio. "We had a not-guilty verdict, but this video shows that the murder may have been justified!" -- no prosecutor ever.
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LorneReams posted:Why the gently caress would a prosecutor say this? Was this the guy presenting to the grand jury?
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Nothing.
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Pohl posted:[url=http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3667371]This is GBS right now. Quoting your fail here.
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Neo Duckberg posted:Quoting your fail here. Thanks! That thread is all kinds of hosed up, though. It even has a mod participating.
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Pohl posted:Thanks! That thread is all kinds of hosed up, though. It even has a mod participating. You should probably not take GBS so seriously and also not run into my thread as if you've discovered gold.
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I think that the only way to deal with this is to pass legislation that requires special prosecutors in all police involved killings based on the assumption that the DA will always have a conflict of interest in presenting an indictment of a police officer. After all, his normal job requires the cooperation of the cops, and if that trust is broken then it will inhibit future prosecutions.
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Just because someone's a mod doesn't mean they're not a shithead. There's a couple who've tried race baiting me. You just have to keep in mind that there's a LOT of people who live lives where the chance to anonymously hate on black people is the highlight of their entire week.
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amanasleep posted:I think that the only way to deal with this is to pass legislation that requires special prosecutors in all police involved killings based on the assumption that the DA will always have a conflict of interest in presenting an indictment of a police officer. After all, his normal job requires the cooperation of the cops, and if that trust is broken then it will inhibit future prosecutions. This WAS a special prosecutor, apparently.
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amanasleep posted:I think that the only way to deal with this is to pass legislation that requires special prosecutors in all police involved killings based on the assumption that the DA will always have a conflict of interest in presenting an indictment of a police officer. After all, his normal job requires the cooperation of the cops, and if that trust is broken then it will inhibit future prosecutions. In California they brought up a prosecutor from SoCal to handle the Oscar Grant trial because the prosecutors were afraid that prosecuting a cop would jeopardize the relationship the prosecutors have with cops in the bay area. PostNouveau posted:This WAS a special prosecutor, apparently. But also in general prosecutors will do the shittiest job they can if they don't feel like pushing the case, I think you can sue a lawyer for failing to try to defend you in court, but I don't think there's a method for going after prosecutors for half-assing a case.
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Neo Duckberg posted:You should probably not take GBS so seriously and also not run into my thread as if you've discovered gold. Yes, because how people act on a message board really has nothing to do with real life. Duh. I get that you think you are an ironic poster or whatever, but the fact that people aren't pissed off about that thread worries me more than your stern warning.
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bassguitarhero posted:Just because someone's a mod doesn't mean they're not a shithead. There's a couple who've tried race baiting me. You just have to keep in mind that there's a LOT of people who live lives where the chance to anonymously hate on black people is the highlight of their entire week. I understand but let's not repost internet racism here, please make another thread about it if you'd like.
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Pohl posted:Yes, because how people act on a message board really has nothing to do with real life. Duh. I get that you think you are an ironic poster or whatever, but the fact that people aren't pissed off about that thread worries more than your stern warning. Again, we can discuss this somewhere else.
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Neo Duckberg posted:I understand but let's not repost internet racism here, please make another thread about it if you'd like. It is all the same drat thing, you can't separate it. gently caress, this thread would die if we only talked about the shooting, because the police refuse to release any information. Pohl fucked around with this message at 21:07 on Sep 24, 2014 |
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I'm not interested in reposting racism, I was making the point that the internet is filled with lovely people who ironically and unironically enjoy posting racist stuff because they can get away with it on the internet, so you get treasure troves of it in "safe" places like GBS. Pohl's saying that it's worrying that the vitriol coming out of threads like that is worrying, and I agree, but it's symptomatic of a much bigger problem that we have to deal with, rather than worry about what assholes on the internet say when given anonymity and a soapbox. Edit: In other words, GBS threads as safe harbors for racism are symptomatic of larger issue that society has with scapegoating disenfranchisement of minorities which plays out more worryingly in things like allowing the police to get away with shooting a dude with a toy gun in an open carry state and people celebrating that. bassguitarhero fucked around with this message at 21:08 on Sep 24, 2014 |
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bassguitarhero posted:I'm not interested in reposting racism, I was making the point that the internet is filled with lovely people who ironically and unironically enjoy posting racist stuff because they can get away with it on the internet, so you get treasure troves of it in "safe" places like GBS. Pohl's saying that it's worrying that the vitriol coming out of threads like that is worrying, and I agree, but it's symptomatic of a much bigger problem that we have to deal with, rather than worry about what assholes on the internet say when given anonymity and a soapbox. I agree with this. What the gently caress. Wasn't there just a sticky saying racism was banable? Isn't the tenbux supposed to be justified by keeping out things like racism? Isn't that why we have mods in the first place?
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Koalas March posted:I agree with this. What the gently caress. Wasn't there just a sticky saying racism was banable? Isn't the tenbux supposed to be justified by keeping out things like racism? Isn't that why we have mods in the first place? lol at the mods being in any way competent or able to do things like dress themselves without assistance
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Koalas March posted:I agree with this. What the gently caress. Wasn't there just a sticky saying racism was banable? Isn't the tenbux supposed to be justified by keeping out things like racism? Isn't that why we have mods in the first place? That sticky was because of an obvious but racist joke I made. I just avoid GBS because you spin the ban roulette anytime you try to post in the spirit of things. I guess that's the larger joke, that moderation resembles a small town police force trying to make budget?
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Popular Thug Drink posted:I guess that's the larger joke, that moderation resembles a small town police force trying to make budget? More like keystone cops only staffed by the senile and retarded
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Popular Thug Drink posted:That sticky was because of an obvious but racist joke I made. I just avoid GBS because you spin the ban roulette anytime you try to post in the spirit of things. I guess that's the larger joke, that moderation resembles a small town police force trying to make budget? The minute they took down the rules in GBS, the forum was full of racism. In fact, a lot of the posts were simply "friend of the family". You can't claim fame for the rule. Pohl fucked around with this message at 21:34 on Sep 24, 2014 |
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SectumSempra posted:It's less that they're fine with it and more that it doesn't directly affect them. Sure they're fine with it, that's why they're accepting excuses that wouldn't cut it for a five-year-old stealing cookies.
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If you want to go yell at them I don't care, but I personally believe that real life dialogue is more important than getting mad at the ironic forum on a comedy website.
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