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Democracy Now
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# ? Sep 24, 2014 17:12 |
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# ? Jun 8, 2024 02:23 |
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tbp posted:
Got this off one of those conspiracy facebook like sites just now:
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# ? Sep 24, 2014 18:23 |
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Miltank posted:
Well they are slurs, just not about race. You can't be racist against whites, just as you can't be classist against the rich. 'Cracker' isn't Ron Paul Atreides fucked around with this message at 18:40 on Sep 24, 2014 |
# ? Sep 24, 2014 18:25 |
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Miltank posted:
Could someone with photoshop skills take this and change the slogan to NEOLIBERAL and the upside elephant to the Conservative and Unionist Party symbol? Would be awesome, cheers.
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# ? Sep 24, 2014 18:34 |
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Samurai Quack posted:Well they are slurs, just not about race. You can't be racist against whites, just as you can't be classist against the rich. 'Cracker' isn't Could someone explain why this definition of racism has caught on so much? Because it looks like that's macro theory on the development of societal level racist ideology and structures and a quick glance over it makes it look prima facie dumb as balls so I must be missing something? A grave marker in English. Of all the gently caress Yous to a people man, South Africans are dicks.
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# ? Sep 24, 2014 19:25 |
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# ? Sep 24, 2014 19:32 |
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Billionaire scion Jamie Johnson, of the Johnson & Johnson fortune, made a couple documentaries about inequality and they own: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HmlX3fLQrEc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=unZmiEsgzno
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# ? Sep 24, 2014 19:44 |
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Coohoolin posted:Could someone with photoshop skills take this and change the slogan to NEOLIBERAL and the upside elephant to the Conservative and Unionist Party symbol? Would be awesome, cheers.
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# ? Sep 24, 2014 20:03 |
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# ? Sep 24, 2014 20:18 |
Samurai Quack posted:You can't be racist against whites, just as you can't be classist against the rich. Of course you can be. I'm curious where this whole "racism, classism, whatever-ism is different than prejudice" came from. If you are prejudiced against someone based on their race, you are racist. If you are prejudiced against someone based on class you are classist. Racism against whites and classism against the wealthy don't carry the same societal impact as against racial minorities or poor people, but that's still what it is. Re-defining the word(s) so that it isn't is self-deception and trying to convince yourself you aren't something that you hate. Samurai Quack posted:But certainly someone who is white can be discriminated against, it just won't be on the basis of skin colour. So this guy advocating for the murder of people (including babies) who likely have done nothing to him isn't doing it on the basis of skin color? Because he says exactly that. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Y3Cd9gnvlw EDIT: A fantastic idea: Gio posted:i have a radical suggestion: even if cracker or redneck don't have the same potency as other slurs, some are offended by them and be decent and not say them out of human decency instead of being a dick about it. Not being a dick to others feels great and isn't really as hard as it sounds. That 70s Shirt fucked around with this message at 21:13 on Sep 24, 2014 |
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# ? Sep 24, 2014 20:34 |
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i have a radical suggestion: even if cracker or redneck don't have the same potency as other slurs, some are offended by them and be decent and not say them out of human decency instead of being a dick about it. Ron Paul Atreides posted:Well they are slurs, just not about race. You can't be racist against whites, just as you can't be classist against the rich. 'Cracker' isn't this is just dumb meaningless semantics Gio fucked around with this message at 21:07 on Sep 24, 2014 |
# ? Sep 24, 2014 21:02 |
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good job, nyt.
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# ? Sep 24, 2014 21:05 |
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i see you looking at this forum gulc law student type whatup
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# ? Sep 24, 2014 21:06 |
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So many "races" to choose from, I hope someone will tell me where I fit.
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# ? Sep 24, 2014 21:11 |
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I live in the country and most of the "rednecks" I know are rich assholes who moved to the country(but in little gated communities away from the people who have been here a long time) because they want to be "rednecks" and "country" and everyone else hates them, including the poorer members of the community and the farmers. I'm in the rural north though, maybe it's different in the south/Appalachia/etc. FreeAJStaff ad taken out in NY for the upcoming UN meeting: A Fancy 400 lbs fucked around with this message at 21:19 on Sep 24, 2014 |
# ? Sep 24, 2014 21:16 |
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A Fancy 400 lbs posted:I live in the country and most of the "rednecks" I know are rich assholes who moved to the country(but in little gated communities away from the people who have been here a long time) because they want to be "rednecks" and "country" and everyone else hates them, including the poorer members of the community and the farmers. I'm in the rural north though, maybe it's different in the south/Appalachia/etc. Depending on the specific area, but nah that poo poo's all over the south as well. Lotsa halfbacks buying mountain homes or places on the water for boating. Probably been posted, but thank goodness the San Diego Unified School District has an MRAP. Those little bastards are always planting IEDs everywhere to get out of school.
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# ? Sep 24, 2014 21:41 |
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Loving all the goons who think "redneck" is offensive because it might have been over a hundred years ago. It's just a way rural people (usually from the south) refer to themselves and its not any way comparable to a slur. Though I'm glad such enlightened folk are ready to defend against any perceived insult on my people's behalf https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QyT-jmVswbw
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# ? Sep 24, 2014 21:47 |
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Bro Dad posted:Loving all the goons who think "redneck" is offensive because it might have been over a hundred years ago. Yes, the properly insulting term you want is "hick"
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# ? Sep 24, 2014 22:00 |
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H.P. Hovercraft posted:Yes, the properly insulting term you want is "hick" Woah Woah that is our word https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qKf08vWTkKA
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# ? Sep 24, 2014 22:17 |
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# ? Sep 24, 2014 22:22 |
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H.P. Hovercraft posted:Yes, the properly insulting term you want is "hick" Nah it's As in, the goddamn ignorant motherfuckers I am forced to spend my life around because being a raging alcoholic through my 20's destroyed any chance of ever leaving this shithole of a town, complete with them voting for dumbfuck ideologies which continue to destroy my chances of having a living wage or healthcare. You haven't lived until you've heard a shithead co-worker tell you why the minimum wage shouldn't be raised while you and him are working for barely a dollar an hour above the current one, or have somebody blame Obama for their short work hours because their company cut them instead of paying for health coverage. I have heard both in the last month.
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# ? Sep 24, 2014 23:16 |
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# ? Sep 24, 2014 23:55 |
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solidarity, woo
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# ? Sep 25, 2014 00:04 |
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Don't be dicks, persecuted groups! Surely there is someone out there who irrationally hates the dominant majority, therefore the violence you suffer and the fear you feel daily really is equivalent. I'm just waiting for someone to explain why I shouldn't tell a Christian to gently caress off and die the next time they tell me I'm going to hell for being a human being. After all, you catch more flies with honey than with vine
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# ? Sep 25, 2014 00:25 |
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A bunch of propaganda posters "Clear away the ruins. Rebuild Budapest" "Breed rabbits" :smugrabbit: "Our women - our pride!" - that's Valentina Tereshkova, the first woman in space, looking almost as smug as that rabbit "light - your death"
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# ? Sep 25, 2014 00:39 |
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# ? Sep 25, 2014 00:42 |
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# ? Sep 25, 2014 00:47 |
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ryonguy posted:Nah it's You can just call them trash; the qualifier makes it unnecessarily racist. Unless you're not white, then go nuts because you can probably pull some slurs outta them.
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# ? Sep 25, 2014 00:53 |
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They were all so excited at first.
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# ? Sep 25, 2014 01:03 |
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The "you can't be racist against white people" construction is a convenient fiction that is essentially true since, while a white person can certainly experience prejudice on an individual, personal level, the degree to which they might hypothetically experience it, the circumstances under which it occurs and the amount of societal power possessed by those who might execute said prejudice are orders of magnitude from the "actual" racism experienced by marginalized minorities so as to effectively be non-existent. For all intents and purposes, white people don't experience "Racism" by any useful definition of the term. That is, of course, entirely separate from the issue of using racial slurs. The amount of weight the slur would carry relative to other groups is immaterial and I don't really understand why people keep bringing that up. I don't understand how someone not calling people "cracker" on the internet harms in any way social progress or the empowerment of disenfranchised minorities. It's an a priori argument that "hey, maybe using a term for a group of people based on their race/gender/class identity purely because I don't like them isn't super cool". Political Whores posted:Don't be dicks, persecuted groups! Surely there is someone out there who irrationally hates the dominant majority, therefore the violence you suffer and the fear you feel daily really is equivalent. -- Said no one, ever
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# ? Sep 25, 2014 01:03 |
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They missed the chance to do something creative with the crescent moon on SC's flag, instead of defacing the palmetto. Also some might be better with the hoe and AK than the hammer and sickle.
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# ? Sep 25, 2014 01:10 |
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Who would've guessed that Bejaman "the Human Iceberg" Harrison could be badass?quote:The President has proved [his physical strength] on one occasion, at least, within a year, when his strong arm and cool head served so well their purpose as to be a revelation to everybody cognizant of the circumstances. The occasion referred to was one evening when a young man crazed with drink broke into the private part of the White House and threatened the life of the President. On account of the family of the young fellow, but especially because personal appeal of the distressed mother, little was said about it, and the affair was passed over as of no serious moment. But the facts proved that it was no light disturbance breaking the usual evening peace of the White House that night. The doorkeepers on duty in front were taken unawares by the attack from the South Portico. Their first warning was the crashing in of the Red Room windows, and the wild ravings of the young madman, shrieking with oaths his determination to kill the President. In the darkness it was not possible to know if the attack proceeded from one person or several. The excitement over the New Orleans troubles [of October, 1890, the Italian mafia allegedly killed an Irish police chief, which prompted citizens to lynch 11 suspects in March, 1891] was then high, and as the startled doorkeepers said: ‘We naturally thought of the Italian Mafia at once.’ Two doorkeepers grappled with the young man, but large, strong men as they are, were hardly a match for the superhuman strength of the crazed and foaming would-be-assassin, who, at the outset of the desperate struggle, succeeded in inflicting a painful and stunning blow on the head of one of his captors. In the next moment, the President, who had heard the crashing glass, came down stairs quietly with his cane in his hand, and with one bound passed through the window and stood over the struggling, raving young fellow, holding his arms down as firmly as if they had been fastened by a vice. Speaking of which I really need to resume my posts on Presidential grave sites.
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# ? Sep 25, 2014 01:18 |
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Nckdictator posted:Speaking of which I really need to resume my posts on Presidential grave sites. Please do.
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# ? Sep 25, 2014 01:24 |
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Hubis posted:The "you can't be racist against white people" construction is a convenient fiction that is essentially true since, while a white person can certainly experience prejudice on an individual, personal level, the degree to which they might hypothetically experience it, the circumstances under which it occurs and the amount of societal power possessed by those who might execute said prejudice are orders of magnitude from the "actual" racism experienced by marginalized minorities so as to effectively be non-existent. For all intents and purposes, white people don't experience "Racism" by any useful definition of the term. "Redneck" is still leveled specifically against rural, poor, uneducated whites, very often by richer, more educated, urban whites who consider themselves liberal and tolerant but still want someone they can safely hate. I didn't see it as a slur once either, but one of the biggest things to change my mind is how when it's challenged the whole racist excuse bingo card comes up, including "they use it too" and "I don't mean all of them, just the bad ones." It's not as high up as "gypsy" in Europe in terms of hateful terms used with genuine venom specifically by people who consider themselves active opponents of bigotry and intolerance, but at the same time it's the only slur I've seen self-described liberal/leftist types not only happily use about people more disadvantaged than themselves, but complain doesn't hurt the targeted group enough when you say it. It's too bad: as you say there's a genuine difference between societal discrimination and individual bigotry, but no one ever brings it up except as a leadin for "and that's why my hating these dirty subhumans as a category is the right thing to do!"
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# ? Sep 25, 2014 01:33 |
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# ? Sep 25, 2014 01:41 |
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lmao what a bad card they used
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# ? Sep 25, 2014 01:46 |
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That 70s Shirt posted:Of course you can be. I'm curious where this whole "racism, classism, whatever-ism is different than prejudice" came from. If you are prejudiced against someone based on their race, you are racist. If you are prejudiced against someone based on class you are classist. Racism against whites and classism against the wealthy don't carry the same societal impact as against racial minorities or poor people, but that's still what it is. Re-defining the word(s) so that it isn't is self-deception and trying to convince yourself you aren't something that you hate. This whole "racism, classism, whatever-ism is different than prejudice" comes from non-white people who experience and thus define racism not with a dictionary, but as a social phenomenon and incredibly demeaning, derogatory lifelong struggle - individually and collectively - that is systemic, endemic, pervasive, invidious and incredibly deeply rooted in both history and social construct (in particular media). I don't know if you're white but your pedantic and totally thoughtless rebuttal is rather stereotypical white hair splitting, which is better termed "whitewashing" and is as insidious as outre racism, because it takes actual racism and tries to simplify, broaden and otherwise neutralize what is a gargantuan problem in modern American society, and white people just bend over backwards to find new ways to sweep it under the Persian rug of privilege and "diversity" (the word they pasted over "whites only" and pretended that changed everything). I just today had to deal with another pasty white nerd at work who insisted that blackface is "political incorrectness, not racism"...because he decided that because black people can do it in reverse (a la the Wayans brothers or Dave Chappelle) and say it isn't racist...so it must not be racist when white people do it. But he is the sort of person who does "research" by heading over to Reddit and seeking out confirmation bias, as opposed to say, a taking seminar on racial and ethnic theory and racial divisions in the post-colonial West. edit: in my experience the term institutional racism muddies the waters. Most white people think it means apartheid or segregation, not the American justice system or mortgage and lending practices or poverty...I believe racism in of itself is practically speaking a non-white concept. Huggybear fucked around with this message at 03:44 on Sep 25, 2014 |
# ? Sep 25, 2014 02:10 |
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When you find yourself arguing the finer points of why it's OK for you to be unpleasant to other human beings in your preferred manner, maybe just reconsider. On some level, the much-maligned idea of political correctness is simply an attempt at a kind of generalized good manners. People who are seriously arguing that manners should only work one way are undermining the whole enterprise. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dlNyN8qNvgc
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# ? Sep 25, 2014 02:35 |
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Jack of Hearts posted:When you find yourself arguing the finer points of why it's OK for you to be unpleasant to other human beings in your preferred manner, maybe just reconsider. On some level, the much-maligned idea of political correctness is simply an attempt at a kind of generalized good manners. People who are seriously arguing that manners should only work one way are undermining the whole enterprise. It's not that manners should only work one way, it's that anybody who would decide that racial discrimination isn't a problem because someone called them a cracker is someone who really should just gently caress off and die. Did you not see that part where this whole conversation started with someone saying "oh man, you shouldn't say cracker, that sort of divisive language will drive off people who might be convinced otherwise", and promptly posted a picture of MLK as justification? I don't believe that calling white people cracker or saying kill whitey is at all important to social justice, but that's just because it's so inconsequential. It's like the argument that happen everywhere on SA about how Tumblr activists just take things too far and are as bad as the other side/ make people doubt that LGBT rights are a good thing. Who the gently caress cares if someone said cracker, it literally has no consequence, and to focus on it as some sort of justification for changing your opinion on racial discrimination proves just how much you value the hurt feelings of white people over the violence committed against black people.
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# ? Sep 25, 2014 02:48 |
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Huggybear posted:This whole "racism, classism, whatever-ism is different than prejudice" comes from non-white people who experience and thus define racism not with a dictionary, but as a social phenomenon and incredibly demeaning, derogatory lifelong struggle - individually and collectively - that is systemic, endemic, pervasive, invidious and incredibly deeply rooted in both history and social construct (in particular media). You mean like institutional racism? It seems unnecessary to redefine "racism" and it significantly muddies the waters of discussion on the topic, especially when there's already a phrase for it that's been around for loving ever that more clearly describes the idea.
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# ? Sep 25, 2014 02:57 |