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Drunk & Ugly posted:would anyone here name their son tyrone maybe, tyrone powers was p cool quote:would it be weird if he was white yes
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Attention Whore posted:The right-leaning board-members said they believe history teachers should teach nationalism, respect for authority and reverence for free markets. They should avoid teaching any historical events or acts that promote “civil disorder, social strife or disregard of the law.” did they forget that whole thing where the founding fathers rebelled against the King?
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Sep 26, 2014 00:16
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Carpet posted:did they forget that whole thing where the founding fathers rebelled against the King? that was wealthy whites doing it
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Sep 26, 2014 00:17
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It's funny how he basically admits that the only way one could become patriotic about America is to be taught a bunch of lies about its history.
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Sep 26, 2014 00:18
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I went to high school in a really rich area and all the rich kids would get so mad during Econ, History, and Gov classes. It was real fun watching them fume quietly in their chairs and sometimes they'd try to argue with the teacher that Keynesianism is liberal propaganda or something retarded like that and I'd have even more fun.
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Sep 26, 2014 00:20
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This is insane. That bolded quote is blood-curdling.
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Sep 26, 2014 00:22
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They are just tired of southern tobacco and cotton farmers being painted as villains in the American narrative. They want to highlight not the shameful enslavement and abuse of entire races of human beings, but instead the entrepreneurial spirit of industrious plantation owners and what they were able to accomplish with hundreds of people following their every command for fear of severe beatings.
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Sep 26, 2014 00:24
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Nothing like revering a bunch of guys who set up one of the great slave colonies the world has ever known.
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Sep 26, 2014 00:26
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juniperjones posted:This is insane. That bolded quote is blood-curdling. people talk about it being "fun" to watch the cognitive dissonance of american conservatives but in fact their ability to hold two contradictory thoughts in their head without issue is a great evolutionary advantage in the american political environment it kinda stops being funny when you realize that
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Sep 26, 2014 00:33
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i wish cognitive dissonance of that caliber resulted in scanners-style head explosions
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Sep 26, 2014 00:37
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Yeah it's pretty impressive to recognize that progressives are the heroes of history but still be completely certain that your side is right.
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Sep 26, 2014 00:41
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Well you see, the problem is that if we were to acknowledge the facts of the situation plainly and truthfully, we conservatives would come out as the villains of the story lol how do you even say this poo poo without taking a moment stop and think about what you're implying
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Sep 26, 2014 00:48
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I keep wanting to make Texas jokes, and have to remind myself this is Colorado. Colorado out-Texased Texas. Good work?
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Sep 26, 2014 00:49
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they know. just like you know its bad to litter or not use your turn signal. then why do you do it? makes u think
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Sep 26, 2014 00:50
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Devils Affricate posted:Well you see, the problem is that if we were to acknowledge the facts of the situation plainly and truthfully, we conservatives would come out as the villains of the story 
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Sep 26, 2014 00:52
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You should keep the laborers and farmers in the South and West ignorant, let only the true captains of industry and guardians of liberalism in the Northeast worry about education and corporations. Not like you can make a company or school out of a bunch of tobacco fields, lol.
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Sep 26, 2014 00:57
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Attention Whore posted:High school AP history, he said, should be less like a college course and award more plaudits to the founding fathers, captains of industry and other conservative heroes. The liberal bias in the AP curriculum, he said, will turn students against large companies, corporations and wealthy Americans. The obvious complete and total idiocy aside, that's what an AP class is; a college course offered to high school students. Then they take a college level test showing that they have learned the college level material then they get college credit. Watch as universities drop the accreditation for their 'AP' history class and screw over all the students because the school board is apparently more interested in pursuing a political agenda than teaching students and starting them on a successful life path.
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Sep 26, 2014 01:12
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hosed up if true.
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Sep 26, 2014 01:15
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t4eacher: today we're going to learn about the war of 1812 me: *storms up to front of classroom holding copies of books like "lies my teacher told me" and "a people's history of the united states" high up in my hands* me: stop the lies! stop the lies! class: (joining chant) stop the lies! stop the lies! me: how could theey have really murdered 6 million people without us knowing? it seems pretty dubious tbh class: (silent)
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Sep 26, 2014 01:15
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I think that's what Jesus would want. Edit: It's right there in the bible: "And so sayeth the LORD: stop thinking by yourselves you fools!" (Douchebagians 6:13) Kanthulhu fucked around with this message at 01:19 on Sep 26, 2014 |
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Sep 26, 2014 01:16
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The issue with Texas trying to change poo poo is that they actually have some say over what gets put into textbooks. Nobody gives a poo poo about Jefferson County, Colorado, so I'd like to see their proposed plan for removing any mentions of civil disobedience (and I guess any history between 1950-1980) from teaching materials. Also, the teachers are going to teach that stuff anyway.
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Sep 26, 2014 01:16
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Izumi Konata posted:t4eacher: today we're going to learn about the war of 1812 lol
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Sep 26, 2014 01:19
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The Bible posted:I keep wanting to make Texas jokes, and have to remind myself this is Colorado. With the exception of the chill weed Denver metro area it's mainly red rural low population counties.
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Sep 26, 2014 01:21
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I am starting to see why South Park was based in Colorado.Junkfist posted:On the plus side this means the protest will never have existed, so retroactively this thread doesn't either.
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Sep 26, 2014 01:22
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Izumi Konata posted:t4eacher: today we're going to learn about the war of 1812 same but with maoism-third-worldism
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Sep 26, 2014 01:26
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I hope I live to see america totally collapse instead of just circling the toilet bowl
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Sep 26, 2014 01:30
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let me tell you about gramsci & the hippies, op
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Sep 26, 2014 01:39
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you see, progressives drive like *this* but conservatives drive like... *this!* (raucous laughter)
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Sep 26, 2014 01:42
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I mean, it's true that the way "civil disobedience" is taught to use in school shows all the people who did it as heroes. This isn't really deniable. We look at the people who are being dicks and are like "don't let that black girl in the school!" and they are bad, and it's right. And we look at the guy in a peaceful march getting blasted by a firehose and he is a cool guy and the people doing that are bad, and that's right. But like uh, history isn't a story with like good guys and bad guys or heroes or whatever, history is just history. When you teach people about history you should try to remove as much of the bias as you possibly can from it, I'm pretty sure that's what a big part of the study of "history" is all about. It's why when people write books about history they cite actual written down things that are real or whatever, and not just other people's opinions about what happened. But ofc removing bias completely from history is impossible cause everybody has a bias, a bias is just a thing that's there. Which is why it's important to try and understand other people's points of view and cultures and poo poo like that, in order to understand history more completely by looking at it from more than one perspective. Which is why NOT TEACHING YOUR KIDS ABOUT HUGELY IMPORTANT PARTS OF HISTORY is wrong and bad because it's not trying to remove the bias, it's just adding more bias in a different way. Or whatever. History is weird, ya'know, 'cause when most people think about history they think "history is a thing that happened, and there's only one way that it happened and that way is the Truth". But in reality we have no idea what happened in the past lol, or at least we don't know what happened back then in a sort of "We hold within ourselves the TRUTH" kind of way. We have dates, and actions taken, and things said, and we are pretty sure that these things happened, and we piece poo poo together. But it's like all those things are from certain perspectives, and when you try to construct a "history" you are going to have all those biases, and sometimes they contradict each other. So like really there is no "TRUTH" kind of history, it just doesn't exist. History is not something concrete and solid and "this is how it happened guys!" But even though it is impossible to get there, it is the place that we are trying our hardest to get to. We have to get to the TRUTH, even though we can't get there. It's the path that we take to get there which is important. But like there's a difference between truth and TRUTH, right. Like I've mentioned there are "real" things that we base our history on, I consider that truth, lower case truth. That's what we construct our histories out of. And to get a history that tells us the most truthful thing you can't just toss out things because you "feel like it". We toss things out when we doubt their authenticity based on other things and poo poo like that. But not because "oh it tells a bad story about our history we can't have that." The history that I was taught was a history based on truths that held biases favoring the people who worked FOR civil disobedience and the rights of all people. And therefore it is a history that has that sort of perspective, and it shows them as heroes and other people as bad guys. Is it the closest thing to the TRUTH? Idk man, I think so? I dont' know. But what I do know is that removing truths and real written things from history is definitively taking us further away from the TRUTH and that is a bad thing 100%. what a bad post who logged into my account and wrote this what the hell
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we have always been at war with eastasia
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Sep 26, 2014 01:59
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What's the difference between TRUTH and truth?
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Kanthulhu posted:What's the difference between TRUTH and truth? sorry, I tried to define it within that wall of text lower case truth is just things like written down texts, "primary sources" I think is what historians call them. Art and architecture and things that are stuff that we found that we try and use to figure out what happened. The authenticity of these sources have to be uh like argued against and stuff, but we also have to assume that there is some truth out there otherwise we could just say it was all made up. TRUTH is just an idea, it's not something that actually exists, but we believe it to exist. We believe the TRUTH of history to be what "actually happened". Like a sort of "now" but in the past. We are all very sure (usually) about what's happening right this second; i.e. what's happening in the present. It's a kind of TRUTH but it's ephemeral because well that's what the present is. Also then there's assumptions about things like "is what I perceive 'ACTUALLY' reality?" and it gets confusing. But TRUTH is just an ideal. I'm limited by my use of language to communicate my ideas, I'm sry. SHISHKABOB fucked around with this message at 02:04 on Sep 26, 2014 |
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SHISHKABOB posted:sorry, I tried to define it within that wall of text History is all made up. It's a made up narrative following the personal bias of the historian. What counts as primary source and how you interepret each source varies greatly from historian to historian. There is no TRUTH.
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Kanthulhu posted:History is all made up. It's a made up narrative following the personal bias of the historian. What counts as primary source and how you interepret each source varies greatly from historian to historian. There is no TRUTH. yes i know im trying to say that, I suppose I edited my post and it says in it basically what your post says
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*farts philosophically* but i do not smell it, therfore u must have dealt it, qed.
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There are things that are widely accepted though, it's not like you can just go 'who knows man history is all made up what if the Holocaust never really happened!' I mean, you can, but you look like a loving idiot. And the reason civil disobedience in AP US history is given a positive bent is because as a result of civil disobedience and rebelling against authority, the United States became a sovereign country. And also many groups of people living in the US that were previously hosed became a little less hosed.
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Sep 26, 2014 02:08
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Sep 26, 2014 02:10
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Moridin920 posted:The obvious complete and total idiocy aside, that's what an AP class is; a college course offered to high school students. Then they take a college level test showing that they have learned the college level material then they get college credit. Then they'd just blame the  LIBERAL ACADEMIA. Bonus irony points when they switch back after colleges drop their program and it's all about how the evil liberals bullied them into accepting their biased history.
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