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Solkanar512
Dec 28, 2006

by the sex ghost

Brightman posted:

I think so, might be some super thick paper or the custom grinding that causes the super scratchy noise though, but it looks like card stock.

Here's another video where in they waste a bunch of ink:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XMolEvB5EqA

Edit: Ah, this was the one I was initially looking for. Also it might go without saying, but this person might be a little...off.

I'm pretty sure that's the guy who runs Noodler's Ink.

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Buck Turgidson
Feb 6, 2011

𓀬𓀠𓀟𓀡𓀢𓀣𓀤𓀥𓀞𓀬

basch posted:

Nothing screws off - it's basically one solid piece. So I can't really open it up to check :( It was pretty cheap so I don't mind if I can't salvage it but I liked it cause it writes slightly thinner than my Lamy EF.

Which may as well stand for Extra Fat, compared to the non-FP pens I used to use...

Wait so how do you fill it?

basch
May 24, 2014

Sort of misspoke there. The end screws off partially, and then I screw it back in to draw ink up. (I don't know the proper term, sorry.)

Brightman
Feb 24, 2005

I've seen fun you people wouldn't believe.
Tiki torches on fire off the summit of Kilauea.
I watched disco balls glitter in the dark near the Brandenburg Gate.
All those moments will be lost in time, like crowds in rain.

Time to sleep.

Solkanar512 posted:

I'm pretty sure that's the guy who runs Noodler's Ink.

That would explain it then.

Buck Turgidson
Feb 6, 2011

𓀬𓀠𓀟𓀡𓀢𓀣𓀤𓀥𓀞𓀬

basch posted:

Sort of misspoke there. The end screws off partially, and then I screw it back in to draw ink up. (I don't know the proper term, sorry.)

Ah OK so what is happening is that the screwing motion on the end moves a piston inside the pen, which draws up ink. I'll bet that if you continue to unscrew the end you will be able to disassemble the pen. You will probably have to use some force and you will likely hear some loud clicks before the end comes off. Don't use tonnes of force, if it happens to be the case that the pen wasn't designed to be disassembled then it might break.

Meldonox
Jan 13, 2006

Hey, are you listening to a word I'm saying?

Solkanar512 posted:

I'm pretty sure that's the guy who runs Noodler's Ink.

I had no doubt in my mind whatsoever once I saw him write "Capitalism" with a big ol' flourish.


I've got a question for you guys. What compels you to get a bigger, fancier pen and how do you go settling on something? I've been doing a fair bit of writing lately (and will probably continue to do so for the foreseeable future) but I'm not sure what exactly I'd gain over my 580 by getting something fancier. Even if I did, I have no idea where I'd begin shopping for one aside from "oh hey that looks nice."

Kessel
Mar 6, 2007

Meldonox posted:

I've got a question for you guys. What compels you to get a bigger, fancier pen and how do you go settling on something? I've been doing a fair bit of writing lately (and will probably continue to do so for the foreseeable future) but I'm not sure what exactly I'd gain over my 580 by getting something fancier. Even if I did, I have no idea where I'd begin shopping for one aside from "oh hey that looks nice."

There are two ways to go about it, mostly. You could specialise in collecting as many varieties of a single type of pen as possible - for example, some people specialise in Vacumatics, others in vintage Showa-era Pilot pens. Or you could eliminate overlap and make your collection as wide and as interesting as possible.

For instance, you have the 580. It's a piston-filler, a demonstrator and it has a steel nib. There are plenty of places you could go from here. You might want to step up to a pen with a gold nib - if you think your 580's Jowo nib is smooth now, something like a Pilot 15 or a Visconti Dreamtouch would be a completely different experience. You might want to try a different filling system - vintage sac? Vacuum-filler? Or you could enter the realm of art pens and speciality nibs - one of Sailor's hand-built monsters, perhaps. http://www.nibs.com/SailorSpecialtyNibs.htm

Oh, and finally - when in doubt, chase the nib and not the pen.

Buck Turgidson
Feb 6, 2011

𓀬𓀠𓀟𓀡𓀢𓀣𓀤𓀥𓀞𓀬

Meldonox posted:

I had no doubt in my mind whatsoever once I saw him write "Capitalism" with a big ol' flourish.


I've got a question for you guys. What compels you to get a bigger, fancier pen and how do you go settling on something? I've been doing a fair bit of writing lately (and will probably continue to do so for the foreseeable future) but I'm not sure what exactly I'd gain over my 580 by getting something fancier. Even if I did, I have no idea where I'd begin shopping for one aside from "oh hey that looks nice."

I don't actually buy big fancy pens because I don't think they're worth the money. If you are wondering what you will gain over your 580 by spending more, the answer is probably not all that much. Expensive pens are a luxury item, not a value item. Some of the purchase price will go towards materials & construction, QA, service, warranties etc (or at least you'd hope so), but a lot of the money you will spend is simply for the privilege of 1) buying a particular brand; and 2) buying a prestigious luxury good.

If you are looking into fountain pens simply because you prefer to write with fountain pens, you don't need a large collection of pens and you also don't need to spend much at all. If you are satisfied with your current pen then you should probably stick with it. Maybe buy another pen if you find you need or want to switch colours frequently (from black to blue etc).

cobalt impurity
Apr 23, 2010

I hope he didn't care about that pizza.
When I buy a new pen, it's because something about it intrigued me and I wanted to try it. Different nib size, different material, the nib has a smiley face etched into it. Something I'll actually notice in writing with it. The nicest pen I have is a Pilot Custom 74 and that was a gift. The most expensive pen i bought for myself was a TWSBI 540 and they're both a treasure to write with. So is my Kakuno. The important considerations are based on your preference. Would you still like a beautiful $400 pen if it wrote like crap or felt flat-out wrong in your hand? Are you willing to spend above $100 on a pen you might like? Consider what it is you like and don't like about the TWSBI and see what pens there are that are closer to your ideal. If you find that you wouldn't change anything but just want something flashier and more impressive looking, then find something that looks good and go nuts. Just keep in mind that having a gold nib or maki-e on the barrel aren't going to guarantee you're happy with your upgrade.

Count Thrashula
Jun 1, 2003

Death is nothing compared to vindication.
Buglord
For flex-nibbed pens, are the Noodler Ahab and Namiki Falcon my only real options? Are there any go-to vintage pens that use flex nibs?

Also, after a few months of use, this TWSBI is easily my favorite pen. Also Terre de Feu is an amazing brown ink, my second favorite under Noodler's Antietam (which is my most-used ink these days).

Solumin
Jan 11, 2013
That looks really great! You have awesome handwriting, I'm a little jealous.

That's the Rose Gold TWSBI 580, right?

Buck Turgidson
Feb 6, 2011

𓀬𓀠𓀟𓀡𓀢𓀣𓀤𓀥𓀞𓀬
You can get Indian flex pens from Fountain Pen Revolution. They're very cheap and apparently they're pretty decent. I am 99% sure that the flex pen I bought ages ago when I was overseas was some kind of cheapo Indian pen and it wrote pretty well. Until I went ahead and lost it.

Count Thrashula
Jun 1, 2003

Death is nothing compared to vindication.
Buglord

Solumin posted:

That looks really great! You have awesome handwriting, I'm a little jealous.

That's the Rose Gold TWSBI 580, right?

Yes sir!

Korwen
Feb 26, 2003

don't mind me, I'm just out hunting.

I'm getting closer to a second pen purchase, and I'm reading more and more reviews and looking at writing examples and I wanted some opinions on nib size.

Big nibs look beautiful when they write. Italics, flex, bolds, I love the shading of ink and big, chunky letters in cursive. If I want my writing to look like that (and I do, it looks sweet), I'd be leaning towards a flex or a TWSBI italic nib (1.1 or 1.5, another question altogether)

But it seems like for everyday writing on generic or crappy paper, smaller nibs like fines and extra fines are going to make for more legible writing.

My Pilot Metro has a medium nib, and while it writes well on nice paper, it's garbage for the flimsy pads they give us at work. I'm not sure I want to commit to bringing in Rhodia or CF pads for work scratch pads. From what I've read a F or EF would perform better on mediocre or poor paper, so what I'm most likely to encounter.

If I had to pick one to buy first (because lets face it I'll just end up owning both eventually) should I pick the flex/italic that will produce the shading and line size variation I find pleasing, or do I get the F or EF so I can have an easier time writing on crap paper?

kim jong-illin
May 2, 2011
TWSBI nib units swap out trivially easily and are not that expensive relative to the cost of the pen itself. You could get a TWSBI 580 Diamond and then get a 1.1 italic nib unit and an F nib unit so then you can swap them around according to what you want to do that day.

My current daily pen is a Pilot Capless where I alternate between a 0.7mm cursive italic Richard Binder nib unit and a stock F nib unit depending on what kind of handwriting I want that day.

Everything Burrito
Jun 2, 2011

I Failed At Anime 2022
Weirdly enough I've had more feathering on cheap paper with an EF than most of my italics. The EF I have tends to grab the paper a bit more so I'm just assuming that has something to do with it, dunno. My Pilot F nibs have all performed pretty well on poo poo paper so I tend to reach for one of those if I'm having problems with a particular paper; the one Noodler's F I have not so much, it has probably been the worst of the bunch on bad paper.

Brightman
Feb 24, 2005

I've seen fun you people wouldn't believe.
Tiki torches on fire off the summit of Kilauea.
I watched disco balls glitter in the dark near the Brandenburg Gate.
All those moments will be lost in time, like crowds in rain.

Time to sleep.

Korwen posted:

I'm getting closer to a second pen purchase, and I'm reading more and more reviews and looking at writing examples and I wanted some opinions on nib size.

Big nibs look beautiful when they write. Italics, flex, bolds, I love the shading of ink and big, chunky letters in cursive. If I want my writing to look like that (and I do, it looks sweet), I'd be leaning towards a flex or a TWSBI italic nib (1.1 or 1.5, another question altogether)

But it seems like for everyday writing on generic or crappy paper, smaller nibs like fines and extra fines are going to make for more legible writing.

My Pilot Metro has a medium nib, and while it writes well on nice paper, it's garbage for the flimsy pads they give us at work. I'm not sure I want to commit to bringing in Rhodia or CF pads for work scratch pads. From what I've read a F or EF would perform better on mediocre or poor paper, so what I'm most likely to encounter.

If I had to pick one to buy first (because lets face it I'll just end up owning both eventually) should I pick the flex/italic that will produce the shading and line size variation I find pleasing, or do I get the F or EF so I can have an easier time writing on crap paper?

The 1.1 italic nib is easy to manage as far as legibility goes. The flex too, since using no pressure just means they're EF~F anyway. My recommendation would be the italic since you don't have to think about it as much and end up with neat line variation that's consistent.

Meldonox
Jan 13, 2006

Hey, are you listening to a word I'm saying?
Massdrop is doing a deal for a Safari pen and mech pencil set (lol no converter included).

Maybe more interestingly, they're doing a Lamy 2000 for just over a hundo. I admit, even after what I said about not getting the pricey pen hype, that's a pretty tempting deal given how much I'm writing lately.

jomiel
Feb 19, 2008

nya
Rotring 800 mechanical pencil is on Massdrop today
https://www.massdrop.com/buy/rotring-800-mechanical-pencil


COOL CORN posted:

For flex-nibbed pens, are the Noodler Ahab and Namiki Falcon my only real options? Are there any go-to vintage pens that use flex nibs?

Also, after a few months of use, this TWSBI is easily my favorite pen. Also Terre de Feu is an amazing brown ink, my second favorite under Noodler's Antietam (which is my most-used ink these days).


That's beautiful (both the writing and the pen)! How did you get flex into it?? Did you swap out the nib for something else?

...I should really be unlazy and put my leaky Geha nib into one of my spare TWSBIs.

Count Thrashula
Jun 1, 2003

Death is nothing compared to vindication.
Buglord

jomiel posted:

That's beautiful (both the writing and the pen)! How did you get flex into it?? Did you swap out the nib for something else?

...I should really be unlazy and put my leaky Geha nib into one of my spare TWSBIs.

Mostly just using speed... when I slow down, the lines get thicker. Plus, the nib on the TWSBI has a tiny bit of flex, but it's really not noticeable unless I slow down and put thought into it.

suck my woke dick
Oct 10, 2012

:siren:I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!:siren:

Put this cum-loving slave on ignore immediately!

COOL CORN posted:

For flex-nibbed pens, are the Noodler Ahab and Namiki Falcon my only real options? Are there any go-to vintage pens that use flex nibs?

Vintage? Mabie Todd pens. Somewhat affordable in the UK, overpriced in the US.

New? Pilot Custom 742/743/912 with FA nib. Kinda pricy but not ridiculously so.

Landsknecht
Oct 27, 2009
I hope this person is trolling, nobody can be so unfunny and dumb

Meldonox posted:

Maybe more interestingly, they're doing a Lamy 2000 for just over a hundo. I admit, even after what I said about not getting the pricey pen hype, that's a pretty tempting deal given how much I'm writing lately.

The L2K is also a loving tank; some guy on FPN went and threw his around and froze it (among other things), and not only did it perform fine, it's appearance was nearly unchanged. There's also the massive ink capacity, in addition to the love-it-or-hate-it looks.

With expensive pens I've found that I tend to take better care of them, so $100+ pens are still around after years, and in addition to this "durability" I've gotten to write with nicer pens.

404notfound
Mar 5, 2006

stop staring at me

My Lamy 2000 slipped out of my bag and hit the asphalt, so it has a little gouge on the side of the cap. I also had to send it in to get serviced once because the section had developed a crack somehow (probably overtightened it at some point).

I wish I could find it now, but somebody also showed a comparison of a well-worn 2000 next to a brand new one, and the makrolon texture eventually wears down to be smoother and shinier.

Hellbeard
Apr 8, 2002


Please report me if you see me post in GBS so a moderator may bulldoze my account like a palestinian school.

Everything Burrito posted:

Weirdly enough I've had more feathering on cheap paper with an EF than most of my italics. The EF I have tends to grab the paper a bit more so I'm just assuming that has something to do with it, dunno. My Pilot F nibs have all performed pretty well on poo poo paper so I tend to reach for one of those if I'm having problems with a particular paper; the one Noodler's F I have not so much, it has probably been the worst of the bunch on bad paper.

I think the reason is that when you "injure" the surface of the paper with a fine nib then the fibrous lattice that forms it can, by capillary action, draw out the ink more easily from where you place it; whereas with a broader nib in order to feather the ink must first fully absorb through the surface.
:goonsay:

Brightman
Feb 24, 2005

I've seen fun you people wouldn't believe.
Tiki torches on fire off the summit of Kilauea.
I watched disco balls glitter in the dark near the Brandenburg Gate.
All those moments will be lost in time, like crowds in rain.

Time to sleep.

404notfound posted:

My Lamy 2000 slipped out of my bag and hit the asphalt, so it has a little gouge on the side of the cap. I also had to send it in to get serviced once because the section had developed a crack somehow (probably overtightened it at some point).

I wish I could find it now, but somebody also showed a comparison of a well-worn 2000 next to a brand new one, and the makrolon texture eventually wears down to be smoother and shinier.

Was it this picture?



Edit: I guess that's the ballpoint, but it probably doesn't matter for this.

atholbrose
Feb 28, 2001

Splish!

I'm disappointed. I have a Lamy 2000 that I used as my daily-carry pen for about four years, until I had a car accident with it in my pocket and the barrel got cracked. I sent it in to Lamy for repair, but it did not work right after I got it. It's an EF, but a Lamy EF is any other manufacturers medium, and it was a fairly wet writer before the accident and repair; ink just wouldn't come out of it afterwards. Upset, I just cleaned it and put it aside, but recently wanted to start using it again. I inked it, but had no luck, and so sent it off to Lamy again. Got it back today, with a note saying the section and ink feeder tube had been replaced, and that they had tested it and the ink flow was fine.

The ink flow is not fine, not with Lamy blue-black, not with Diamine Florida Blue, not with Noodler's Eel Blue. Actually, the Eel blue comes closest to being usable, so I'm letting it marinate in the pen until tomorrow, and we'll see where that gets me. I was really waiting for the pen, though, wanting it to be as nice as I remembered it. (And why shouldn't it be? The same nib is still in it...)

I just got one of the fall Edison Nouveau Premieres, I have a Nakaya light briar being finished for me in Japan, I have a TWSBI 700 Vac on the way, and several nice cheaper Pilots and Sailors and what-nots already in the pen rolls. (Yes, I went on kind of a spending spree; after being out of the pen scene for a few years, there were lots of things to try when I got interested again, and I've wanted a Nakaya for years and years. Yes, I've got a Metropolitan.) Like I said though, this pen has a lot of personal meaning to me, and I'd really like to be able to use it on a regular basis again.

I guess if it won't work with the Eel, I'll just clean it out and take it to the Ohio Pen Show in a month or so and see if someone there can straighten it out for me.

atholbrose fucked around with this message at 00:16 on Sep 27, 2014

Meldonox
Jan 13, 2006

Hey, are you listening to a word I'm saying?
Well poo poo, sounds like we're closing on our first house. Since I'm pissing away a ton of money but still getting a much better deal than anticipated I may as well impulse buy that cheap 2000 so I have something fairly fancy to sign with. Now I just need to decide between EF and F nibs. I like my Metro F but I get more use out of my TWSBI M, so maybe something in between (presumably the F).

Missing Donut
Apr 24, 2003

Trying to lead a middle-aged life. Well, it's either that or drop dead.

COOL CORN posted:

For flex-nibbed pens, are the Noodler Ahab and Namiki Falcon my only real options? Are there any go-to vintage pens that use flex nibs?

Also, after a few months of use, this TWSBI is easily my favorite pen. Also Terre de Feu is an amazing brown ink, my second favorite under Noodler's Antietam (which is my most-used ink these days).



Is that a new offering by TWSBI? That is sharp looking and I will have to retract my earlier anti stance on the brand.

Solumin
Jan 11, 2013

Missing Donut posted:

Is that a new offering by TWSBI? That is sharp looking and I will have to retract my earlier anti stance on the brand.

It's the 580, but all dressed up: http://www.gouletpens.com/TWSBI_Diamond_580_Black_Rose_Gold_Fountain_Pen_EF_p/tw-m7443870.htm
It also comes in aluminum (the Rose Gold looks better). I believe Cool Corn's is a 1.1 stub nib, but Goulet doesn't stock that, apparently.

Kessel
Mar 6, 2007

Meldonox posted:

Well poo poo, sounds like we're closing on our first house. Since I'm pissing away a ton of money but still getting a much better deal than anticipated I may as well impulse buy that cheap 2000 so I have something fairly fancy to sign with. Now I just need to decide between EF and F nibs. I like my Metro F but I get more use out of my TWSBI M, so maybe something in between (presumably the F).

Runs wide. Get an EF.

Luisfe
Aug 17, 2005

Hee-lo-ho!
Has anyone bought anything from ASAPens? Handmade ebonite eye dropper for 14 bucks sounds like too good a deal.

http://asapens.in/eshop/gama-airborne-marbled-finish-regular-ebonite-eyedropper-fountain-pen


I hope it is good. Going from cheapo Chinese to cheapo Indian :D

Solkanar512
Dec 28, 2006

by the sex ghost

Buck Turgidson posted:

I don't actually buy big fancy pens because I don't think they're worth the money. If you are wondering what you will gain over your 580 by spending more, the answer is probably not all that much. Expensive pens are a luxury item, not a value item. Some of the purchase price will go towards materials & construction, QA, service, warranties etc (or at least you'd hope so), but a lot of the money you will spend is simply for the privilege of 1) buying a particular brand; and 2) buying a prestigious luxury good.

If you are looking into fountain pens simply because you prefer to write with fountain pens, you don't need a large collection of pens and you also don't need to spend much at all. If you are satisfied with your current pen then you should probably stick with it. Maybe buy another pen if you find you need or want to switch colours frequently (from black to blue etc).

Being that my TWSBI is my DD and I bought an M600 earlier this year, I would say that this is a fair statement. On the other hand, that M600 is *really* well made, the gold nib is a lot of fun to use and holy hell is it pretty.

Count Thrashula
Jun 1, 2003

Death is nothing compared to vindication.
Buglord

Solumin posted:

It's the 580, but all dressed up: http://www.gouletpens.com/TWSBI_Diamond_580_Black_Rose_Gold_Fountain_Pen_EF_p/tw-m7443870.htm
It also comes in aluminum (the Rose Gold looks better). I believe Cool Corn's is a 1.1 stub nib, but Goulet doesn't stock that, apparently.

Nope, mine's a F nib, but feels more like a M.

aldantefax
Oct 10, 2007

ALWAYS BE MECHFISHIN'

Hellbeard posted:

Guys.
Look at this:



From this gallery:
http://imgur.com/gallery/i3jKN

That's flex.

Namiki Falcon? Y/N

This guy has a spencerian mod falcon from Mottishaw (nibs.com). Not a bad deal if you want a modern pen w/ some serious flex and very fine line (0.2mm).

saphron
Apr 28, 2009

Kessel posted:

2000s run wide. If you're worried about size get an EF - it won't be fine fine but it will be fine enough. The F will almost certainly run too wide for you.

Thanks for the advice, Kessel (you know, a few pages back) -- had the opportunity to try a friend's F, and it definitely seemed to run wider than even the M nib on a Metro. I'm definitely jumping on the Massdrop for one.

Kessel
Mar 6, 2007

No problem. If I had to pin it down, I'd say 2000 EF is like midway between Pilot F and M, and 2000 F is wider than Pilot M (we're talking Pilot's composite steel nibs here, their gold nibs have slightly different tip sizes and the added softness makes them run a tad wider than steel.)

I really like the 2000 for work-related purposes because it's understated and doesn't attract the kind of questions or attention that a demonstrator like the TWSBIs would. The hooded nib ensures most people won't even realise it's a fountain pen unless you hand it to them to write with.

Kessel fucked around with this message at 11:11 on Sep 27, 2014

Alder
Sep 24, 2013

blowfish posted:

Vintage? Mabie Todd pens. Somewhat affordable in the UK, overpriced in the US.

New? Pilot Custom 742/743/912 with FA nib. Kinda pricy but not ridiculously so.

Shh---I need all the MT Swans here. They are moderately priced but UK shipping kills some of the good deals.

milpreve
Feb 29, 2012
The Ohio Pen Show is coming up in a little over a month, but I can't make heads or tails of their website. Does anyone know if the folks from Organics Studio will be there again? Goulet doesn't seem to carry Gregor Mendel anymore and I need a bottle of it.

On the topic of pen shows, what are some general navigational tips? How do you know if what you're looking at is well-priced? Is it rude to ask to write with a "collectable" pen that you are considering buying? How can I test flex pens without looking like an idiot when I've never written with flex before?

Rudeboy Detective
Apr 28, 2011


milpreve posted:

The Ohio Pen Show is coming up in a little over a month, but I can't make heads or tails of their website. Does anyone know if the folks from Organics Studio will be there again? Goulet doesn't seem to carry Gregor Mendel anymore and I need a bottle of it.

On the topic of pen shows, what are some general navigational tips? How do you know if what you're looking at is well-priced? Is it rude to ask to write with a "collectable" pen that you are considering buying? How can I test flex pens without looking like an idiot when I've never written with flex before?

The guy who runs OS has shuttered it to work on his graduate studies. If you want a bottle of something then it'd probably be good to hunt it up online real soon.

Edit: He talks about it on his facebook page. I have no idea how to link an individual facebook post. https://www.facebook.com/OrganicsStudio?hc_location=timeline

Rudeboy Detective fucked around with this message at 16:55 on Sep 28, 2014

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Hellbeard
Apr 8, 2002


Please report me if you see me post in GBS so a moderator may bulldoze my account like a palestinian school.
There's a sale on this:


http://www.levenger.com/Pens---Refills-8/Shop-By-Brand-34/Levenger-275/L-Tech-Plus-Fountain-Pen-with-Stylus-12642.aspx
~49$ "instead" of ~90$

I think maybe it's a previous version? The other one is called a version 3 or something. I'd jump on it except I think the stylus pad is tacky.

Edit: oops, wrong hotlink. Fixed.
Edit 2: style.

Hellbeard fucked around with this message at 17:31 on Sep 28, 2014

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