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Flameingblack posted:That art style is unique, and I'd probably read it for that reason alone. It's not the final art? Is it gonna be replaced by the DC house style?
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Hey, I'm looking through the OP, and after finishing the main New 52 Batbooks -- until Dark City in October -- I'm moving on to the next one on the list, the Detective Comics run...which OP hasn't read. Anyone got any recommendations/Amazon links of a volume to start at? e: I'm thinking this , but I'd rather be sure. 
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Sep 17, 2014 19:38
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withheldmcfakename posted:Hey, I'm looking through the OP, and after finishing the main New 52 Batbooks -- until Dark City in October -- I'm moving on to the next one on the list, the Detective Comics run...which OP hasn't read. Anyone got any recommendations/Amazon links of a volume to start at? Don't do it. Tony Daniel is not a great artist and an even worse writer.
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Sep 17, 2014 19:48
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So far I think the only issues worth reading in Detective Comics are 30-34 and the 3rd Annual. I wouldn't even bother with the rest of it.
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Sep 17, 2014 22:24
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withheldmcfakename posted:Hey, I'm looking through the OP, and after finishing the main New 52 Batbooks -- until Dark City in October -- I'm moving on to the next one on the list, the Detective Comics run...which OP hasn't read. Anyone got any recommendations/Amazon links of a volume to start at?
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Sep 18, 2014 04:31
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Didn't Finch get a swing on that one too?
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Sep 18, 2014 04:57
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Was Taters posted:Didn't Finch get a swing on that one too?
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Sep 18, 2014 05:01
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redbackground posted:According to comicbookdb, no (I couldn't remember for sure). He did have creative control with The Dark Knight, which was worse than any of those Tec runs. Oh that's right. drat that was a terrible book.
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Sep 18, 2014 07:38
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I can't believe DC had Alex Maleev for a little while and put him on TDK 
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Sep 18, 2014 07:58
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Is the DK still being published?
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Sep 18, 2014 18:49
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Madkal posted:Is the DK still being published?
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Teenage Fansub posted:I can't believe DC had Alex Maleev for a little while and put him on TDK I like Maleev so much that I'm reading Empire of the Dead. That's dedication, baby.
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So, I've been hearing a lot of good things about Year Zero, and Snyder's run in general. But, I usually go for TPB's rather than single issues. Have his stories all been collected? And if not, is there a reading list for the singles? I wanted to look into Court of Owls as well.
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Canemacar posted:So, I've been hearing a lot of good things about Year Zero, and Snyder's run in general. But, I usually go for TPB's rather than single issues. Have his stories all been collected? And if not, is there a reading list for the singles? I wanted to look into Court of Owls as well. It gets collected at DC's regular pace, which is to say, Glacially. There are definitely collected editions of his pre-reboot stuff (Black Mirror, which was in Detective Comics) and his first Batman run (Court of Owls), and second (Death of the Family - you can skip this).
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Sep 19, 2014 16:39
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Canemacar posted:So, I've been hearing a lot of good things about Year Zero, and Snyder's run in general. But, I usually go for TPB's rather than single issues. Have his stories all been collected? And if not, is there a reading list for the singles? I wanted to look into Court of Owls as well. Specifically: Court of Owls: 1–12 (two trades) Death of the Family: 13–17 (one trade) Some filler one-shots: 18–20 (not actually collected in any trades, should have been put at the end of the DotF collection) Zero Year: 21–33 (well, #28 is a Batman Eternal something-or-other, you can skip that one) (only one hardcover so far, the rest still to be collected, but they will) #34, the first issue after the Zero Year arc, just came out. Here's the comicbookdb page for the title for easy reference in the future. redbackground fucked around with this message at 16:52 on Sep 19, 2014 |
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Sep 19, 2014 16:45
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redbackground posted:The reading list for the singles is...read them in order? Thanks for that. Wasn't sure which I could skip or if the storylines were spread across multiple books.
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Canemacar posted:Thanks for that. Wasn't sure which I could skip or if the storylines were spread across multiple books. Court of arrows and death in the family did have tie ins with the other titles, but they are really not important and you can get everything in just the Batman issues. The one other title you should read was Batman Incorporated as an event happened there that impacted all the titles. You should also read the rest of Morrisons batrun since its worth it.
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The second hardcover for Zero Year is meant to be out in a few weeks.
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Sep 20, 2014 01:32
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Doctor Spaceman posted:The second hardcover for Zero Year is meant to be out in a few weeks. Last time I checked my local shop, they still didn't have the first softcover of Zero Year, so I still haven't read it. It's amazing how slow DC is to bring their issues to trade considering Marvel has been doing it maybe a month after the last issue is released.
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I think Secret City is out in paperback around the same time as Dark City is out in hardcover.
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Pope Corky the IX posted:Last time I checked my local shop, they still didn't have the first softcover of Zero Year, so I still haven't read it. It's amazing how slow DC is to bring their issues to trade considering Marvel has been doing it maybe a month after the last issue is released. If you are going to wait for softcovers you are going to be waiting to for a long time (probably going to finish the whole thing in a year and half to two years) welcome to DC's trade policy.
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Batman Eternal was good this week, art was poo poo and I still don't like the way they're pushing Julia and Harper or the teases about a relationship between Barbara/Jason and Harper/Tim or how the Hush storyline is a rehash of Knightfall/Batman RIP with a far less believable mastermind but the actual interaction between Barbara, Jason and Tim was very enjoyable.
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Thanks to whoever recommended Batman Confidential 49 in an old thread, it's a great little Batman-as-detective story.
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How can Snyder write Batman so well and then write Batman Eternal and it's so bad? I'd try to pin it on Tynion but I can't imagine that one man could be that much of an albatross around Snyder's neck, even if Tynion is the worst writer to put pen to paper. I mean, there's just so much groanworthy stuff in it. Like, maybe after the reader finds out the new character/police commissioner is actually a bad guy (shocker  ), he couldn't start going around acting like a crazy villain trying to incite martial law immediately.
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TwoPair posted:How can Snyder write Batman so well and then write Batman Eternal and it's so bad? I'd try to pin it on Tynion but I can't imagine that one man could be that much of an albatross around Snyder's neck, even if Tynion is the worst writer to put pen to paper. I mean, there's just so much groanworthy stuff in it. Like, maybe after the reader finds out the new character/police commissioner is actually a bad guy (shocker I kind of like Eternal and I'm assuming that Snyder and co are plotting the issues so I don't think it would be absolutely fair to say he is sucking at it.
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TwoPair posted:How can Snyder write Batman so well and then write Batman Eternal and it's so bad? I'd try to pin it on Tynion but I can't imagine that one man could be that much of an albatross around Snyder's neck, even if Tynion is the worst writer to put pen to paper. I mean, there's just so much groanworthy stuff in it. Like, maybe after the reader finds out the new character/police commissioner is actually a bad guy (shocker Well Tynion writing lacked any subtlety on RHATO:      So is possible.
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Madkal posted:I kind of like Eternal and I'm assuming that Snyder and co are plotting the issues so I don't think it would be absolutely fair to say he is sucking at it. I guess I used a little too much hyperbole there as I have enjoyed some of Eternal, (after all I am still reading it), but it's so darn hit-and-miss for me, and I just find it crazy that those misses can be coming from the guy who wrote Zero Year which I pretty much enjoyed start to finish.
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I doubt he's doing anything but broadly overseeing the plot like a TV showrunner. "Okay, so Batgirl, Batwoman and Red Hood are in South America at this toy factory, meanwhile there's a riot at Blackgate and Tim is training Harper. Okay you write this and you write this and you write that. Okay see ya."
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Gotham Academy is pretty good you guys. Check it out next week.
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Eternal keeps being poo poo (the Hush origin is stupid and doesn't gives a reason for Bruce to fear him), Detective was fantastic and Academy had some really pretty art but I got the feeling being tied to Batman is gonna be more of a hidrance than a perk. In any case it didn't do anything for me 
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Gotham Academy was really nice. It completely skews tween-young teen, so I hope it actually finds that audience.
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Oh, almost forgot. I was really bothered by Grayson sudden sex scene and while the ending was meant to convey how hosed up the situation is, I couldn't help but feel like they were trying too hard and going just for the shock value.
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Dark_Tzitzimine posted:Oh, almost forgot. I was really bothered by Grayson sudden sex scene and while the ending was meant to convey how hosed up the situation is, I couldn't help but feel like they were trying too hard and going just for the shock value. Its trying to be like Nick Fury: Agent of Shield and Bond, so the sex and violence is not that shocking. Not sure if it works with Dick, but at least that seems to be the point of the book right now.
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Gotham Academy was pretty good; I really liked Maps and the art was amazing. I'm still not sure about the main character and her backstory so far, but I'm willing to wait until more issue fill that out more.
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bobkatt013 posted:Its trying to be like Nick Fury: Agent of Shield and Bond, so the sex and violence is not that shocking. Not sure if it works with Dick, but at least that seems to be the point of the book right now. That's the thing, it doesn't work (so far at least) with Dick's character. In theory it should work since Dick is essentially playing a role as agent 37 but those two facets of his character don't mesh well and comes off like is two characters.
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Dark_Tzitzimine posted:That's the thing, it doesn't work (so far at least) with Dick's character. In theory it should work since Dick is essentially playing a role as agent 37 but those two facets of his character don't mesh well and comes off like is two characters. They point that very issue out in this issue. He is still trying to be himself and a secret agent, but they do not mesh. The conflict is going to be can he be Dick or agent 37.
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bobkatt013 posted:They point that very issue out in this issue. He is still trying to be himself and a secret agent, but they do not mesh. The conflict is going to be can he be Dick or agent 37. Hope they can give a satisfactory conclusion to the conflict then.
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Dark_Tzitzimine posted:Oh, almost forgot. I was really bothered by Grayson sudden sex scene and while the ending was meant to convey how hosed up the situation is, I couldn't help but feel like they were trying too hard and going just for the shock value. Chiming in that I enjoyed Gotham Academy a lot. It worked really well as a standalone story, the art was nice and the humor good natured. A strong kickoff to the creative changes the Batline is going through this month. lotus circle fucked around with this message at 00:44 on Oct 2, 2014 |
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I really digged Gotham Academy. It introduced the characters well enough, and it just felt like a natural introduction without forcing anything or doing anything stupid and shocking. Plus it feels like a comic I could give to my niece to read as well (what with the lack of limb removals and what not). I really liked the second half of Grayson more than the first and it is quite noticeable that Dick is getting tired of the poo poo that is being asked of him.
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I'm actually enjoying Grayson more than I thought I would, given its premise, but I'm wondering how in the world they're going to keep the plot going. Like, already, by issue 3, Spyral's already caught on to Dick sending out his broadcasts and are cracking more and more hero identities. It feels like the overarching plot's moving too fast. I mean, sure, we all know that sooner or later Dick's going to go back to being Nightwing, but at this rate Grayson's going to last 5 issues because he's going to get busted in issue 4 and dramatically escape in 5. Also drat Detective Comics has some pretty art. As opposed to Eternal which has some very not pretty art.
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