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tazz was pushed hard when he first came in (i think he broke angle's streak) but he really petered out because his offense didn't make any sense for a dude his size and no one was going to sell for/put over a dude who is like 5'4" and uses the moveset of a hoss
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david carmichael posted:tazz was pushed hard when he first came in (i think he broke angle's streak) but he really petered out because his offense didn't make any sense for a dude his size and no one was going to sell for/put over a dude who is like 5'4" and uses the moveset of a hoss Tazz in WWF was a weird case. He started off strong by breaking Angle's streak, yeah. But then pretty much right away after that short feud he got beat by HHH and then moved into a never-ending feud with Jerry Lawler that basically killed him dead.
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triplexpac posted:Tazz in WWF was a weird case. He started off strong by breaking Angle's streak, yeah. But then pretty much right away after that short feud he got beat by HHH and then moved into a never-ending feud with Jerry Lawler that basically killed him dead. He also came in right as the Radicalz did and they were worth a lot more.
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Sep 25, 2014 17:32
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Wasn't he pretty banged up at that point?
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the triple h thing was funny because vince agreed to let tazz win the ecw title, and let him wear it on wwf teevee, and then immediately made him job to the wwf champion
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triplexpac posted:Tazz in WWF was a weird case. He started off strong by breaking Angle's streak, yeah. But then pretty much right away after that short feud he got beat by HHH and then moved into a never-ending feud with Jerry Lawler that basically killed him dead. They talk about this on the AE Podcast. He gets over huge when he faces Angle and wins (Though Kurt refuses to concede it) but then they have him destroy the midcard. Problem is that when a guy starts destroying the midcard and that's it, he becomes a midcard wrestler. It's the same poo poo that's happening with Rusev right now. He's a destroyer...but only of the guys lower down in the roster. We can't have him defeating anyone higher up because that poo poo won't fly.
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DrVenkman posted:They talk about this on the AE Podcast. He gets over huge when he faces Angle and wins (Though Kurt refuses to concede it) but then they have him destroy the midcard. Problem is that when a guy starts destroying the midcard and that's it, he becomes a midcard wrestler. Rusev has been gradually beating people higher up the card month after month though. Hell Ryback got extremely over by doing jobber squashes for 6 months straight to the point that he became a credible main eventer for a few months.
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Goldberg also destroyed the midcard and he got over huge.
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DrVenkman posted:They talk about this on the AE Podcast. He gets over huge when he faces Angle and wins (Though Kurt refuses to concede it) but then they have him destroy the midcard. Problem is that when a guy starts destroying the midcard and that's it, he becomes a midcard wrestler. Goldberg beat up jobbers and midcard guys until he got the US title.
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None of those guys debuted by killing an upper midcard guy then dropping down the card though. You build a guy up not start big and drop them down and keep them there like they did with Tazz. So yeah agree with the AE podcast analysis but not with the Rusev comparisons. His first feud was with Xavier Woods of all people, the lowest of the low card faces.
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ayn rand hand job posted:Goldberg beat up jobbers and midcard guys until he got the US title. Jerry Flynn had the block. How could you call him a midcarder?
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It wouldn't be the most original angle, but why not put the US title on a well-liked face, then have Rusev beat them for it and have Lana declare it the Russian title? That would get some pretty good heat.
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Pope Corky the IX posted:It wouldn't be the most original angle, but why not put the US title on a well-liked face, then have Rusev beat them for it and have Lana declare it the Russian title? That would get some pretty good heat. the mid-card belts are murder at this point and should be retired
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Endorph posted:the problem is the us title is such a death sentence at this point that any well-liked face you put it on would instantly become a jobber Normally, yes, I completely agree with you. But I think this would be a chance to actually make it relevant again, or at least get some great heel heat on Rusev for the "disrespect" of renaming the US title.
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Charles Gnarwin posted:A bit of a bummer when you consider that Tazz didn't get pushed in WWF either. He did initally, he just got injured at a lovely time.
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Bigass Moth posted:Man, imagine if DDP had gone to WWF in 1999 when they were in serious need of star power. Imagine if DDP somehow got signed to today's WWE, where his name would be Houston McGuirk. BANG! YO IT'S ME, IT'S ME, IT'S H.M.G. oatgan posted:Rusev has been gradually beating people higher up the card month after month though. Hell Ryback got extremely over by doing jobber squashes for 6 months straight to the point that he became a credible main eventer for a few months. The difference there is that Ryback had actual jobbers they brought in for him to fight, not just "guys who have been in the midcard for a while and we don't know what to do with them". Wrestling needs real jobbers. The matches are a foregone conclusion but every once in a while you get a 1-2-3 Kid upset or you get a Bryan Danielson match on Velocity.
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Rusty Shackelford posted:Don't they get PPV bonuses? I thought Randy Orton got $1 million for some Wrestlemania. They get the percentage of PPV revenue they are considered to have drawn based on their place on the card and name value. It's not a bonus although that is what people call it.
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Say Nothing posted:...the gently caress? I'm pretty sure this is the guy who played The Huckster in the Billionaire Ted skits. I think they just taxidermied the body.
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DrVenkman posted:They talk about this on the AE Podcast. He gets over huge when he faces Angle and wins (Though Kurt refuses to concede it) but then they have him destroy the midcard. Problem is that when a guy starts destroying the midcard and that's it, he becomes a midcard wrestler. It could with Rusev, he has something Tazz could never learn - an extra like 8 inches of height.
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Luigi Thirty posted:If you wanna ride the Hulk Hogan Raft, brother, you're gonna need to dress appropriately. TMZ Sports - Whatcha Gonna Do With 'Racist" Dress Code? DESTROY IT!! Interesting timing, the place has been open for a year and a half.
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Luigi Thirty posted:If you wanna ride the Hulk Hogan Raft, brother, you're gonna need to dress appropriately. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SaQGFO30sWw
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I could not possibly despise you more.
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Pope Corky the IX posted:I could not possibly despise you more. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXSHI02oQdk
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Nevermind...
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Sep 26, 2014 00:13
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I stared deep into the void and all I saw was Jimmy Hart in pasties. ...there is no god.
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Sting month continues tonight with the film classic STING: MOMENT OF TRUTH followed by the WCW VHS release STING: UNMASKED. http://www.psp-tv.com/r/BadMoviesWorseWrestling 8 pm!
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I'm sorry. I'm so sorry.
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MassRafTer posted:Sting month continues tonight with the film classic STING: MOMENT OF TRUTH followed by the WCW VHS release STING: UNMASKED.
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Face paint really isn't he same thing as a mask
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omgomgomg posted:Face paint really isn't he same thing as a mask 
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Thank you. I needed that laugh!
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1st AD posted:I should point out that in 1999 or thereabouts I posted on a bunch of pro wrestling message boards that Lance Storm should win the US title and then slap a Canadian flag sticker over it to get over as a heel, then they Literally did that on the next TV broadcast. Terry Taylor, actually. He was the one responsible for booking Storm in that period.
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I used to watch my Sting unmasked and Sting Back In Black tapes allllll the time as kid. I remember unmasked being pretty good but the more I watched the more I realized how badly WCW used him after starcade and how much time he used to be out. He also really didn't have a lot of notable matches either. I wish you guys did this on the weekend when i'm off work. 
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We didn't watch Unmasked, we figured it would be full of Starrcade spoilers. We watched a horrible lifetime movie about how great child abuse camps are.
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I had the "Deadly Venom: Best of Sting" VHS tape as a kid and remember it being really cool - you guys should track that down
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RBX posted:I used to watch my Sting unmasked and Sting Back In Black tapes allllll the time as kid. I remember unmasked being pretty good but the more I watched the more I realized how badly WCW used him after starcade and how much time he used to be out. He also really didn't have a lot of notable matches either. I wish you guys did this on the weekend when i'm off work. Sting: Unmasked has been rescheduled for Tuesday after Starrcade, probably around 11. Still not the weekend but hey you never know!
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MassRafTer posted:Sting: Unmasked has been rescheduled for Tuesday after Starrcade, probably around 11. Still not the weekend but hey you never know! What, Tuesday might suddenly become the weekend?
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Pope Corky the IX posted:Normally, yes, I completely agree with you. But I think this would be a chance to actually make it relevant again, or at least get some great heel heat on Rusev for the "disrespect" of renaming the US title. Have Rusev steal the actual title and annex it as the Russian title
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1st AD posted:I should point out that in 1999 or thereabouts I posted on a bunch of pro wrestling message boards that Lance Storm should win the US title and then slap a Canadian flag sticker over it to get over as a heel, then they Literally did that on the next TV broadcast. Even if Terry Taylor did read this off some message board and decided to do it, it wouldn't make him a "plagiarist." He's not in a college seminar, he's booking a wrestling show: there's really not a need to cite sources. A basic idea like that is transformed into an original work as soon as it's put into a new medium or context, anyway. I think whoever mentioned the Radicalz signing is right when it comes to why Tazz was not made a focus after his intro was so hyped. I remember there was some heat on him in the locker room, and, as mentioned, Vince or somebody presumably noticed that he's tiny and could never main event, and then after they signed Benoit and Guerrero, they had nothing for him to do in the middle of Wrestlemania buildup, so he ends up being in the ring with Hardcore Holly and the Headbangers for Wrestlemania (and not even winning).
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The size thing should have been meaningless if WWE bothered to try (see Taz in ECW murdering guys like 911), but it's WWE.
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