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Madmarker posted:FF8 is awesome and I will fight anyone who says otherwise. The only good thing about FF8 is the intro, it's all downhill after that.
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Sakurazuka posted:The only good thing about FF8 is the intro, it's all downhill after that. That's not true. Laguana's pretty loving neato. In fact the game being about him raising his lovely son Squall to be less of a poo poo would have been a good game.
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Sep 26, 2014 19:52
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Sakurazuka posted:The only good thing about FF8 is the intro, it's all downhill after that. The intro, the music (ESPECIALLY Laguna's battle music), the junction system, Motorcycle paratroopers attacking your school that withstood a missile blast (oh and it flies now), Triple Triad, DOOMTRAIN!!!. The only thing that I really felt was sort of beyond-the-pale dumb was the, "Oh all of us are Secret Orphans, but we forgot because of narrative convenience," scene. Everything else just sort of clicked for me or felt like something a bunch of emotionally immature idiots with super powers would do.
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Sep 26, 2014 20:19
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Sakurazuka posted:The only good thing about FF8 is the intro, it's all downhill after that. Goddamn look at this scrub forgetting all about motherfucking Doomtrain  e; ^^^  Anyway replaying XIII in prep for playing XIII-2 and LR, still think it's not a bad game, still see lots of nerds mad about that opinion. 
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Sep 26, 2014 20:22
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Mister Adequate posted:Anyway replaying XIII in prep for playing XIII-2 and LR, still think it's not a bad game, still see lots of nerds mad about that opinion. It's aggressively mediocre, which is sometimes worse than bad because that's the boring kind of bad. I like it, I just hate that you spend like ten hours in an extended tutorial for no reason with two person parties in a game all about its flexible battle system of three characters.
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Sep 26, 2014 20:24
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How Rude posted:It's aggressively mediocre, which is sometimes worse than bad because that's the boring kind of bad. Yeah I'm not going to argue it's a classic of the genre or pinnacle of the series or anything, I'm just having enough fun playing it that I can endure or overlook the flaws and be pretty happy. Not getting things like leveling and item upgrading unlocked for such a long time is absolute and pure bullshit, though, totally agreed.
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Sep 26, 2014 20:30
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How Rude posted:It's aggressively mediocre, which is sometimes worse than bad because that's the boring kind of bad. Yeah FFXIII is the only mainline non-mmo FF I have yet to finish because I just get bored and forget about it for months on end. I mean, its not bad, and its pretty, but I lose track of what I'm doing and go away. Which is kind of sad as the battle system is a nice departure from standard ATB and Menu and the character/monster design is incredible (Lesbian Scissoring Motorcycle Hindu Ice Goddess Sisters notwithstanding.) Mister Adequate posted:Yeah I'm not going to argue it's a classic of the genre or pinnacle of the series or anything, I'm just having enough fun playing it that I can endure or overlook the flaws and be pretty happy. Not getting things like leveling and item upgrading unlocked for such a long time is absolute and pure bullshit, though, totally agreed. Its not bad, and I could see being drawn into it, that one just isn't for me.
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Sep 26, 2014 20:31
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A Steampunk Gent posted:'Air-iss' or 'Air-ith'? I used to hate "Air-ith" until I think someone said something like "it's supposed to be 'earth' except a name" or something. So it's like someone loving up the pronunciation of "Earth," I guess?
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Sep 26, 2014 20:48
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Xad posted:I used to hate "Air-ith" until I think someone said something like "it's supposed to be 'earth' except a name" or something. So it's like someone loving up the pronunciation of "Earth," I guess? quote:additionally, the Hebrew word עירית, ʻīrīṯ (the ṯ was pronounced th), refers to the asphodel flower. It is also a modern Hebrew girls' name, Irit. This might have been appropriate, considering Aerith's association with flowers. Because of the inexact way Hebrew treats vowels in writing, an alternate reading ʻērīṯ is also conceivable from an intuitive reading of the letters.
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Sep 26, 2014 20:54
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Madmarker posted:It's no FFV, but it gets the job done. Besides, I liked having a girl be the awkward, anti-social creeper in the story. I mean, Squall was awkward and anti-social, but he wasn't a creeper, well except when he carried and talked to the unconscious girl on some railroad tracks..... I probably would've liked Quistis more if she were relevant past the first two hours. FF8 and FF9 really were bad at making half their casts pretty much irrelevant after a certain point. Later FF's did a good job keeping everyone involved for the most part, while earlier FF's benefited from set parties by kicking out characters that were no longer relevant. It's still impressive to me that FF6 was able to develop eleven playable characters as well as it did, though the latter FF's work very well focusing on small core parties. And of course FF7 just bombards the player with so much weird poo poo that almost everyone pretty much finds a way to stay involved in the story.
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Sep 27, 2014 01:46
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Mega64 posted:And of course FF7 just bombards the player with so much weird poo poo that almost everyone pretty much finds a way to stay involved in the story. Hi! I'm Cait Sith 2! Oh I guess this is a bad time...
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Sep 27, 2014 01:48
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Endorph posted:i think it's also a possible transliteration of a hebrew name maybe? No, it's straight-up Earth. The origin of the name is that the converted the English word "Earth" into a Japanese reading.
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Sep 27, 2014 01:56
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So literally the actual proper way to say her name is "Earth?" Or is it "E-arth"? OR DEARTH.
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Sep 27, 2014 01:58
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Mega64 posted:I probably would've liked Quistis more if she were relevant past the first two hours. I find this problem worst in IX and XII personally, mainly because there are characters in those games I absolutely love who get sweet gently caress all screen time. Does Freya even have a line of dialog anytime after the business in Cleyra with Sir Fratley?
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Sep 27, 2014 01:59
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Mister Adequate posted:I find this problem worst in IX and XII personally, mainly because there are characters in those games I absolutely love who get sweet gently caress all screen time. Does Freya even have a line of dialog anytime after the business in Cleyra with Sir Fratley? She does bond a bit with Amarant over how irrelevant they are.
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Sep 27, 2014 02:02
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Gologle posted:So literally the actual proper way to say her name is "Earth?" Or is it "E-arth"? Pretty much like "earth", yeah 
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Sep 27, 2014 02:02
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Madmarker posted:Yeah FFXIII is the only mainline non-mmo FF I have yet to finish because I just get bored and forget about it for months on end. I mean, its not bad, and its pretty, but I lose track of what I'm doing and go away. Which is kind of sad as the battle system is a nice departure from standard ATB and Menu and the character/monster design is incredible (Lesbian Scissoring Motorcycle Hindu Ice Goddess Sisters notwithstanding.) I mean what else is there in FF games besides the battle system, the art design and the music?
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Sep 27, 2014 02:04
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YIKES Stay Gooned posted:I mean what else is there in FF games besides the battle system, the art design and the music? Illusions of nonlinearity, I guess? But all that is beside the point. 13 had the most Sazh (the only good character in FF), therefore it is the best Final Fantasy. vvvv If you cared about plot you wouldn't be playing a Final Fantasy game. Or really any JRPG. Or really any RPG at all, let's be honest. chumbler fucked around with this message at 02:26 on Sep 27, 2014 |
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Sep 27, 2014 02:23
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YIKES Stay Gooned posted:I mean what else is there in FF games besides the battle system, the art design and the music?
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Sep 27, 2014 02:25
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Madmarker posted:The intro, the music (ESPECIALLY Laguna's battle music), the junction system, Motorcycle paratroopers attacking your school that withstood a missile blast (oh and it flies now), Triple Triad, DOOMTRAIN!!!. Everything involving Selphie on trains is also great.
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Sep 27, 2014 02:26
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Endorph posted:The plot? Lol.
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Sep 27, 2014 02:27
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Mega64 posted:I probably would've liked Quistis more if she were relevant past the first two hours. I feel FFX handled it worse. Lulu becomes quickly useless in terms of storyline after what, Operation Mi'hen, unless it's to give exposition. Kimahri gets a brief moment on Mt. Gagazet. At least Wakka sticks around longer thanks to racism and being the only Yevonite to have doubt about his actions. Trying to make the whole cast main characters can be just as risky as sidelining characters completely. They tried to do it with FFXIII but it pretty much boils down to 'The Vanille and Fang Show', 'Operation NORA is dumb', and 'Punch Snow'. Sazh loses his relevance rapidly after Brynhildr.
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Sep 27, 2014 02:28
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The only thing that makes a character relevant is whether or not you like them enough to put them in your party.
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Sep 27, 2014 02:31
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ApplesandOranges posted:I feel FFX handled it worse. Lulu becomes quickly useless in terms of storyline after what, Operation Mi'hen, unless it's to give exposition. Calm Lands. Also, Lulu was always there to give exposition so not sure why you don't think she has relvency. That's her purpose in the party. She's a surrogate mother for Yuna and Tidus and basically watches over both of them, Yuna more obviously, Tidus by helping him learn more about this strange new world.
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Sep 27, 2014 02:34
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Gologle posted:So literally the actual proper way to say her name is "Earth?" Or is it "E-arth"? I believe Independence Day made it perfectly clear it's pronounced "Earf".
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Sep 27, 2014 02:57
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Madmarker posted:Yeah FFXIII is the only mainline non-mmo FF I have yet to finish because I just get bored and forget about it for months on end. I mean, its not bad, and its pretty, but I lose track of what I'm doing and go away. Which is kind of sad as the battle system is a nice departure from standard ATB and Menu and the character/monster design is incredible (Lesbian Scissoring Motorcycle Hindu Ice Goddess Sisters notwithstanding.) I probably have a brighter view of it than most people in this thread and I still got pretty bored by the two-thirds mark or so. It just goes on too long. The sequels are the perfect length IMO.
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Curtain Call got me interested enough to pick Crisis Core back up, I don't love the game and wish it gave you more freedom of movement/cool ways to combo, but daaaaamn that ending nails it. ...Now the question is, do I pluck Dirge of Cerberus out of my PS2 drawer and give that a chance? I've never tried it, and it obviously has something of a reputation, but is it more "narmy story, weird gameplay" or "aggressively unfun to play"? Like, I suck at shooters, but I've played and enjoyed a few (like Gungrave) and if there's at least SOMETHING redeeming there I'll try it out.
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Sep 27, 2014 04:30
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Gamwhiz1 posted:Curtain Call got me interested enough to pick Crisis Core back up, I don't love the game and wish it gave you more freedom of movement/cool ways to combo, but daaaaamn that ending nails it. it's really bad and it was a horrible slog years ago when it came out, in my opinion.
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Sep 27, 2014 04:31
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Gamwhiz1 posted:Curtain Call got me interested enough to pick Crisis Core back up, I don't love the game and wish it gave you more freedom of movement/cool ways to combo, but daaaaamn that ending nails it. Dirge of Cerberus is just a bad game. Like, Crisis Core has problems but it has a lot of moments of legitimate quality. DoC doesn't.
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Sep 27, 2014 04:33
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ImpAtom posted:Pretty much like "earth", yeah According to this, her hometown was Icicle Lodge? Does this ever come up anywhere in game?
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Sep 27, 2014 05:54
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Yeah, Icicle Lodge is where Professor Gast's house is. You can check out some of the videos/audio recordings of him and his wife talking about their new daughter.
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Sep 27, 2014 06:01
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The White Dragon posted:Yeah, Icicle Lodge is where Professor Gast's house is. You can check out some of the videos/audio recordings of him and his wife talking about their new daughter. Spoilers the daughter is Aeris. And then Gast's assistant goes an makes a half Jenova mutant baby name Sephiroth who kills Gast's baby after Hojo murders Dr. Gast.
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Sep 27, 2014 06:10
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ZenMasterBullshit posted:Spoilers the daughter is Aeris. You know, people say Sephiroth goes all villainous from the Jenova cells in him, but maybe being an rear end in a top hat is a genetic trait he got from his dad.
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Sep 27, 2014 06:26
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ApplesandOranges posted:Trying to make the whole cast main characters can be just as risky as sidelining characters completely. They tried to do it with FFXIII but it pretty much boils down to 'The Vanille and Fang Show', 'Operation NORA is dumb', and 'Punch Snow'. Sazh loses his relevance rapidly after Brynhildr.
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Sep 27, 2014 06:29
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Yeah, once they show us what actually happened is the last time I can think of that Sazh is relevant. I still have no idea why they expected to the player to think he was actually dead, by the way. And even when he's not that important, Sazh and Vanille still got that awesome scene where they break out of jail.
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Sep 27, 2014 06:32
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DACK FAYDEN posted:When was the scene where he thinks about shooting himself? I know it was right after an eidolon, but I don't remember if it was Brynhildr or... Hecatoncheir, right, Vanille was his partner in that chapter? It was after Byrnhildr, naturally - he shot himself after it emerged because the Eidolon's whole thing was basically to show up when a character hit peak drama and either kill them or try to get them to sack up through punches.
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Sep 27, 2014 06:35
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If it weren't for the whole "Welp, Sazh just got an eidolon" thing, that would have been a good scene. Hell, it was a good scene even in spite of it, because Sazh is A Good Character. His voice actor also did a fantastic job. Where is FF 13-4: Sazh Returns (And Doesn't Get poo poo On In Exactly The Same Way As The Last Three Times For Once), Squeenix?
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Sep 27, 2014 06:38
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Schwartzcough posted:You know, people say Sephiroth goes all villainous from the Jenova cells in him, but maybe being an rear end in a top hat is a genetic trait he got from his dad. Half of it is nature (Being Hojo's son) the other half is nurture (Being Hojo's experimental son). It's 100% Hojo's fault.
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Madmarker posted:Until I learned the "right" way to say it, I always said Mah-sa-Myoon. I say it that way  What is the correct way? Mister Adequate posted:Yeah I'm not going to argue it's a classic of the genre or pinnacle of the series or anything, I'm just having enough fun playing it that I can endure or overlook the flaws and be pretty happy. Not getting things like leveling and item upgrading unlocked for such a long time is absolute and pure bullshit, though, totally agreed. I just got into the mind frame of 'can this be justified by being an excuse for lightning and friends to do something that looked awesome' and the answer was almost always yes, so gently caress it. Also Sazh is awesome and it's loving terrible that he wasn't around more in the sequels. If they made Sazh Returns: Final Fantasy XIII I'd pre-order the CE.
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XIII-3 really should've been about Sazh and Snow in a buddy timecop film sort of game.
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