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My Imaginary GF posted:Freemasons rock. $1 beers all night? Don't mind if I do The one thing all posters in DnD can agree on: Cheap booze rocks.
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Sep 27, 2014 19:11
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DemeaninDemon posted:The one thing all posters in DnD can agree on: Cheap booze rocks. explains why everyone's in grad school
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Sep 27, 2014 19:17
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Hey now I'm no longer in grad school. 
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Sep 27, 2014 19:23
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I'm really glad I decided not to go to grad school.
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Sep 27, 2014 19:28
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Would have been nice to actually make money in my 20s, yes.
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Sep 27, 2014 19:31
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Even leaving the money aside (and I'd have been another $150k in debt had I actually attended the grad program I applied and was accepted into) I don't have any intellectual curiosity about the field I got my undergrad degree in (CS) and wouldn't have gained much from enrolling in the program.
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Sep 27, 2014 19:36
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DemeaninDemon posted:The one thing all posters in DnD can agree on: Cheap booze rocks. I don't drink.
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Sep 27, 2014 19:39
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I hate academia with a burning passion and yet I'm starting a Master in October because I hate myself and it sounded like a good idea at the time. 
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Sep 27, 2014 19:41
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A lot of people have these crazy ideas about Freemasons, my experience is that it's a philanthropy club. It's the most Christian and Socialist organization I know of.
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Sep 27, 2014 19:41
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Discendo Vox posted:I don't drink. You know who else doesn't drink? Terrorists and mormons. You're neither a terrorist nor mormon, correct? Therefore, you should join your cultural heritage and drink. Its what the cool kids do. E MariusLecter posted:A lot of people have these crazy ideas about Freemasons, my experience is that it's a philanthropy club. It's the most Christian and Socialist organization I know of. Freemasons are like elks with silly hats
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Sep 27, 2014 19:41
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It's a philanthropy club, so like the elks and the Rotary, it also serves as a networking and nepotism base. Freemasons don't secretly run the world, but they can be a vector for municipal-level corruption.
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Sep 27, 2014 19:44
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Joseph Campbell is really fun to read but any more than fifty pages at a time and I feel like I'm reading Timecube
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Sep 27, 2014 19:50
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Discendo Vox posted:I don't drink. In retrospect this isn't surprising.
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Sep 27, 2014 20:01
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mooyashi posted:Joseph Campbell is really fun to read but any more than fifty pages at a time and I feel like I'm reading Timecube I first read Joseph Conrad and completely agreed.
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Sep 27, 2014 20:02
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Discendo Vox posted:I don't drink. lol.
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Sep 27, 2014 20:10
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Also just dropping this in here. Who would have thought that you had to do more word mincing and consent begging as a regulatory agent than in a corporate environment?  (It offers an insight into why the Fed is not all that good at what it's supposed to be doing.)
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Sep 27, 2014 20:18
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Randler posted:Also just dropping this in here. I heard a This American Life promo for this. I'm wondering if the episode already aired. E: http://m.thisamericanlife.org/radio-archives/episode/536/the-secret-recordings-of-carmen-segarra Its up, giving a listen now. This is sure to be
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Sep 27, 2014 20:20
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MariusLecter posted:A lot of people have these crazy ideas about Freemasons, my experience is that it's a philanthropy club. It's the most Christian and Socialist organization I know of. I've looked into joining just because the conspiracy theories make it sound cool and I wanted to see what all the fuss is about, but having to affirm belief in a deity is a dealbreaker =(
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Sep 27, 2014 20:33
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:I've looked into joining just because the conspiracy theories make it sound cool and I wanted to see what all the fuss is about, but having to affirm belief in a deity is a dealbreaker =( My understanding is affirmation of belief in a diety is required, without which diety made explicit. Am I off in this?
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Sep 27, 2014 20:36
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:I've looked into joining just because the conspiracy theories make it sound cool and I wanted to see what all the fuss is about, but having to affirm belief in a deity is a dealbreaker =( On the other hand, lying is easy.
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Sep 27, 2014 21:08
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SedanChair posted:I demand Bubba grandpa pics. The system owes me this, understand? Well, that took longer than I expected. By which I mean it was a couple hours.  
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Sep 27, 2014 21:11
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My Imaginary GF posted:My understanding is affirmation of belief in a diety is required, without which diety made explicit. Am I off in this? That's correct. Agnosticism and Atheism are a no-go. As with any chaptered organization, the degree to which this is followed varies, although it's more consistent than, say, the Boy Scouts. You'll get lodges who don't care, and lodges that won't admit non-Christian members.
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Sep 27, 2014 21:19
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Berke Negri posted:On the other hand, lying is easy. My suspicion is that its about the process. Its best-practices when individuals accept that an institution outside their control has some involvement in the outcome of their life. Individuals who reject this, are rejecting the best-practices to ensure accountability with members. If you're not willing to admit you will be judged in a manner outside your control, you aren't an individual who has demonstrated an understanding of the uncodified rules of social conduct. E: Discendo Vox posted:That's correct. Agnosticism and Atheism are a no-go. As with any chaptered organization, the degree to which this is followed varies, although it's more consistent than, say, the Boy Scouts. You'll get lodges who don't care, and lodges that won't admit non-Christian members. That was my understanding, as a Jew with a catholic father who'd been invited to join a lodge and other, extended family involved at various levels in a regional outfit. Its not about jesus, its about accepting systemic, structural hierarchy. My Imaginary GF fucked around with this message at 21:24 on Sep 27, 2014 |
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Sep 27, 2014 21:21
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Berke Negri posted:Would have been nice to actually make money in my 20s, yes. You poor americans with no tuition subsidization and no national grant system.
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Sep 27, 2014 21:28
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Dreylad posted:You poor americans with no tuition subsidization and no national grant system. We have those, they're just massively underfunded for the size of our population. Remember that the US has to implement these kinds of things on a much larger scale- and that's before we factor in our bizarre federalist system.
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Sep 27, 2014 21:32
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My Imaginary GF posted:My suspicion is that its about the process. Its best-practices when individuals accept that an institution outside their control has some involvement in the outcome of their life. Individuals who reject this, are rejecting the best-practices to ensure accountability with members. Yes, that is the traditional argument against atheism back to the Romans. As for whether that is a legitimate world view like I said, lying is easy.
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Sep 27, 2014 21:34
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There was an A/T thread about Freemasons and the masons that started it got incredibly defensive when people said that they were basically calling atheists incapable of being moral people.
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Sep 27, 2014 21:49
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Randler posted:There was an A/T thread about Freemasons and the masons that started it got incredibly defensive when people said that they were basically calling atheists incapable of being moral people. To be fair that was the standard viewpoint 200 years ago. I could be wrong but I always thought that the various higher-order Masonic "levels" involved a fair bit of religious ceremony and practice -- that, in effect, joining the Masons was joining the Masonic religion, they just kept it under wraps as it were until you got past the outer doors. If so that would explain the religious requirement from a simple practical standpoint.
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Sep 27, 2014 22:00
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:To be fair that was the standard viewpoint 200 years ago. Eh, the religious aspect is overplayed. Its ritualized institutional culture developed by a bunch of drunken men: of course it resembles religious ritual. Its more that an athiest identifies themselves as accountable only to themselves. Its not that athiests are amoral, it is that athiests are moral to their personal standards of morality, which cannot be discerned nor held accountable as easily as a standard developed by and accountable to the identified community's input. For example: If you tell me you're athiest, who can I go to ask on the side that you're not beating your wife if she ever turns up with bruises? I can trust you and your wife's word that she fell down the stairs; who do I know to go to in an instant to verify this, without expending the energy to build rapport with your extended social network? It goes back to Rambam's identification of the duality of existance, that is, the existance of an imperceptible divine realm and the existance of the human realm. One who does not acknowledge the existance of the divine realm, does not acknowledge the existance of rules by which they are governed outside any potential for human comprehension. In practical use, its a convenient test for verification and vetting an individual whom one will never interact with directly, nor could hope to vet otherwise. Yes, it is a shortcut in life. If our lives had unlimited time, it would be unnecessary. As they do not, it saves time and effort that could be better spent improving the lives of others. My Imaginary GF fucked around with this message at 22:10 on Sep 27, 2014 |
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Sep 27, 2014 22:07
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I do not have a guarantee that people who do not believe in my god are acting moral, because they obviously don't have a fear of proper judgement as they are believing in some made up moon god.
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Sep 27, 2014 22:17
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Randler posted:I do not have a guarantee that people who do not believe in my god are acting moral, because they obviously don't have a fear of proper judgement as they are believing in some made up moon god. So you're a publicly-avowed Athiest as your primary religious identity. Who do I turn to in your religious community for verification of you, and who can I turn to for verification of the verification? We have a system in place for athiests who want to enter public service. We call it 'Secular Humanism'
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Sep 27, 2014 22:20
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Randler posted:I do not have a guarantee that people who do not believe in my god are acting moral, because they obviously don't have a fear of proper judgement as they are believing in some made up moon god. When did you stop beating your wife?
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Sep 27, 2014 22:21
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Berke Negri posted:When did you stop beating your wife? It's cool. I got a Letter of Spouse Beating privilege after only going church shopping at three different American Protestant churches. 
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Sep 27, 2014 22:24
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When I think of a group likely to respect women and physical boundaries, christians are the first that come to mind, yeah.
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Sep 27, 2014 22:26
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Randler posted:It's cool. I got a Letter of Spouse Beating privilege after only going church shopping at three different American Protestant churches. Oh, as long as you pay all the appropriate costs for spouse-beating approval forms, then we're good. As long as you've left a paper trail which can be used to verify that you are, in fact, a wifebeater, we're good.
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Sep 27, 2014 22:27
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Can I believe in and worship an anthropomorphic sleeveless t-shirt and still get in?
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Sep 27, 2014 22:31
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Ah I see you're Catholic, let me interview your priest about what you say during confession!
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Sep 27, 2014 22:36
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Discendo Vox posted:Can I believe in and worship an anthropomorphic sleeveless t-shirt and still get in? As long as you answer "yes" when asked whether you believe in a higher power. Most don't make you specify the higher power. Just make the admission and show you're willing to follow the process, even if you don't believe in it in private. Just show you're making an effort in public. Yes, it is a very Roman concept. I was going to detail in clancychat how America is the true inheritor of the legacy of Rome, with institutional development tracable directly back to Rome's people's assemblies, while Russia has no legacy, only loving a desperate Greek refuge who'd do anything for food.
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Sep 27, 2014 22:36
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Joementum posted:Even leaving the money aside (and I'd have been another $150k in debt had I actually attended the grad program I applied and was accepted into) I don't have any intellectual curiosity about the field I got my undergrad degree in (CS) and wouldn't have gained much from enrolling in the program.
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Sep 27, 2014 22:54
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My Imaginary GF posted:As long as you answer "yes" when asked whether you believe in a higher power. Most don't make you specify the higher power. Just make the admission and show you're willing to follow the process, even if you don't believe in it in private. Just show you're making an effort in public. Which is funny, considering how the Catholic Church feels about the Masons and (probably regionally) vice versa. Badger of Basra, I think you'll appreciate that my phone autocorrects versa to você.
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