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WickedHate posted:Is that really an unreasonable position? Like if I'm being irrational at any time I'd be happy to listen and change, but that doesn't seem very disagreeable or extreme to me. I don't think it's that unreasonable, but by and large our society doesn't like it when we get real awkward, even with people who've actually done bad things. I would say though that, in fact, Landis and Polanski's names aren't really synonymous with those things. Better known than Cosby, but still, they've gained a lot of distance. Polanski's name got a bit muddier with the arrest 3 yrs ago but that's about it. In Landis' case, he was acquitted after trial, so I sort of throw up my hands. The system was enacted, even if you feel it failed. Polanski fled and was not punished, which is more infuriating. Polanski is a oval office and if he died with Tate the world would be better, not least because then I wouldn't have to know that Tilda Swinton totally has his back  along with:Darren Aronofsky Monica Bellucci Wong Kar Waï Martin Scorcese Asia Argento Wim Wenders Woody Allen (LOLLLLL) Pedro Almodovar Wes Anderson (sob) Harvey Weinstein Natalie Portman David Lynch Harrison Ford Mike Nichols Jeremy Irons Salman Rushdie Kristin Scott-Thomas +most of France Trying to boycott all of these people is like trying to remove Nestle products from your life.
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Yeah, I get what you're saying. It really sucks, but it's just the reality we're stuck with, I guess.Was Taters posted:I don't think it's that unreasonable, but by and large our society doesn't like it when we get real awkward, even with people who've actually done bad things. I would say though that, in fact, Landis and Polanski's names aren't really synonymous with those things. Better known than Cosby, but still, they've gained a lot of distance. I should have clarified "synonymous to me". It's difficult for me to put something like that out of mind, but you're right, they're mostly out of the stigma of it.
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Hey folks, hope everyone is having a nice end to their weekend. Anyways, I found something pretty cool at my local weekly flea market that I thought I would share http://imgur.com/a/9hNdi Got the two of them for 5 bucks. These aren't worth anything substantial based on the 1 website I looked at, but as far as novice collection goes, I'm feeling pretty happy with myself.
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Never particularly liked the Suicide Squad, but that cover has always been really amazing.
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WickedHate posted:Never particularly liked the Suicide Squad, but that cover has always been really amazing.
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hi liter posted:Hey folks, hope everyone is having a nice end to their weekend. Anyways, I found something pretty cool at my local weekly flea market that I thought I would share Both series are very close to my heart, so congrats! I'm probably the biggest Blue Beetle fan in BSS, so I got that entire 24-issue run bound (with Secret Origins #2 placed before BB #1). Some of it is pretty mid-'80s generic and mediocre, but Paris Cullins was really an underrated and underappreciated artist. I always wished he had done more work. Big Bad Voodoo Lou fucked around with this message at 23:21 on Sep 28, 2014 |
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WickedHate posted:Never particularly liked the Suicide Squad redbackground posted:It's the only good thing Howard Chaykin has ever done. I can't decide which of these opinions I hate more.
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redbackground posted:It's the only good thing Howard Chaykin has ever done. Chaykin's best work was the first 12 issues of American Flagg!. He was a master of his craft then, and his artwork and especially the layouts were so creative and exciting and cutting-edge, they're awe-inspiring to look at even now. It's sad to see how his art has deteriorated as he aged. But I've always loved that Suicide Squad #1 cover too, and often wished he had contributed some interior art. Deadshot and Rick Flagg were very Chaykin-style heroes.
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Sep 28, 2014 23:21
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Uncle Boogeyman posted:I can't decide which of these opinions I hate more.  A master of his craft, to be sure. And I admit, he does a pretty great Wolverine, too.  redbackground fucked around with this message at 23:35 on Sep 28, 2014 |
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Sep 28, 2014 23:33
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redbackground posted:I'm sorry, I take it back. This panel is also some quality Chaykin: It's kind of unfair to compare modern day Chaykin to older days Chaykin.
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Satellite Sam looks great a lot of the time. I think it's more not caring Chaykin.
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redbackground posted:I'm sorry, I take it back. This panel is also some quality Chaykin: You are aware Chaykin had a career for like 30 years before his modern day marvel stuff, right   
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Uncle Boogeyman posted:You are aware Chaykin had a career for like 30 years before his modern day marvel stuff, right 
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WickedHate posted:Never particularly liked the Suicide Squad Jesus, you just do not get tired of being wrong, do you?
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DivineCoffeeBinge posted:Jesus, you just do not get tired of being wrong, do you? There are people in this thread who don't like Howard Chaykin. This is the place to be wrong.
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DivineCoffeeBinge posted:Jesus, you just do not get tired of being wrong, do you? I mean it's just not something I've ever been a fan of, I don't hate it, I haven't read any aside from the first issue of the New 52 series.
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WickedHate posted:I mean it's just not something I've ever been a fan of, I don't hate it, I haven't read any aside from the first issue of the New 52 series. That's not. They're not the same thing at all.
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Timeless Appeal posted:Oh, honey. I know, and that I did hate. I've never thought it's very similar to the older stuff.
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I got this really nice sketch from Chaykin when I met him at MegaCon in '05 or '06: Interesting guy to talk to, as well.
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Didn't someone say in this thread that they thought Kirby was a bad artist? After that, chaykin hate or wicked hate don't really surprise me.
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prefect posted:There are people in this thread who don't like Howard Chaykin. This is the place to be wrong.
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WickedHate posted:I mean it's just not something I've ever been a fan of, I don't hate it, I haven't read any aside from the first issue of the New 52 series. Leaving aside the ridiculousness of feeling the need to say you've never particularly been a fan of something you haven't read, you're doing yourself a disservice. Seriously, Ostrander's original run on Suicide Squad may well be my favorite book of its era (and there was some strong competition to be had). It is absolutely a groundbreaking, well-constructed, engrossing book and you really ought to read it - not (just) because then you will agree with me, but because it's really loving good and not having it in your life is a damned shame.
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DivineCoffeeBinge posted:Leaving aside the ridiculousness of feeling the need to say you've never particularly been a fan of something you haven't read, you're doing yourself a disservice. Then maybe I'll read it some time when I get the chance. I was just saying, "I have no opinion concerning the book and don't know anything about it, but I've seen that cover a lot and it's really good".
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Uncle Boogeyman posted:You are aware Chaykin had a career for like 30 years before his modern day marvel stuff, right As someone who has a pretty deficient knowledge when it comes to comics, I have never heard of this guy or seen his work before. This looks loving amazing and I'm going to have to track down some of his work. Anything in particular I should try to find first?
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GhostofJohnMuir posted:As someone who has a pretty deficient knowledge when it comes to comics, I have never heard of this guy or seen his work before. This looks loving amazing and I'm going to have to track down some of his work. Anything in particular I should try to find first? Black Kiss  e: Or if that sounds a little too fun, American Flagg!, his Shadow stuff https://www.comixology.com/The-Shadow-Blood-Judgement-Dynamite/comics-series/9166, or the recent Satellite Sam written by Matt Fraction. ee: You can get his Star Wars stuff here before Dark Horse loses the license https://digital.darkhorse.com/profile/1947.star-wars-omnibus-a-long-time-ago-volume-1-tpb/ Teenage Fansub fucked around with this message at 04:15 on Sep 29, 2014 |
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Teenage Fansub posted:Black Kiss
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Grant Morrison is overrated as hell. This is also the thread to be right, you see!
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Grant Morrison is very good at a specific niche, that being stories about stories, even if only in subtext like All Star Superman or Earth 2.
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Vincent posted:Didn't someone say in this thread that they thought Kirby was a bad artist? After that, chaykin hate or wicked hate don't really surprise me. I do think Kirby's largely an incredible artist, but I have gone on record saying he's done plenty of bad stuff. I don't know that this is a controversial statement since no one can output at a 100% all the time, but I think the one I caught flak for was the cover of Avengers #4, which is in fact considered an iconic piece of comic book art, and I'm getting a total Emperor's New Clothes feel from it. I guess it's pretty dynamic for the time, but Cap still looks like a weird yelping monkey man and Tony looks like a 13-year old took a bad cosplay picture and superimposed it onto a white background. Someone talked about having this thing tatooed on their body, and it's not that I want to be a shithead naysayer, I just want to know what exactly it is they see in this particular piece apart from its historical significance because I honestly do not get it. Hakkesshu fucked around with this message at 08:16 on Sep 29, 2014 |
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Vincent posted:Didn't someone say in this thread that they thought Kirby was a bad artist? After that, chaykin hate or wicked hate don't really surprise me. Who the gently caress said that and can we skin them alive?
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https://twitter.com/SubCitycomics/status/514676603537072128 I hope someone has told him his error  On a side note, Lemire was asking that question because he was looking to do a signing here, since he would be in the UK for ThoughtBubble. Shalvey basically arranged for him to come to my LCS. When the owner told us this yesterday at DICE, Waterhaul had the most darling reaction to the news. There was literal gasping and fanboyishly squeeing and "Oh my god!"s. 
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Look if everybody else read Sweet Tooth and Essex County you'd realize it was a perfectly human reaction. Gonna get so much stuff signed
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Waterhaul posted:Look if everybody else read Sweet Tooth and Essex County you'd realize it was a perfectly human reaction. That sounds like a perfectly reasonable reaction to me. 
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Hakkesshu posted:I do think Kirby's largely an incredible artist, but I have gone on record saying he's done plenty of bad stuff. I don't know that this is a controversial statement since no one can output at a 100% all the time, but I think the one I caught flak for was the cover of Avengers #4, which is in fact considered an iconic piece of comic book art, and I'm getting a total Emperor's New Clothes feel from it. That was me, and the answer is "because it's dope." Teenage Fansub posted:Black Kiss Yeeeeeesssss 
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Teenage Fansub posted:Black Kiss Wasn't there some problem involving copyright or trademark or maybe they just lost the originals, but I remember being told that they couldn't collect American Flagg for some reason? Like, maybe there were really low-quality trades that ruined the whole point?
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Hakkesshu posted:I do think Kirby's largely an incredible artist, but I have gone on record saying he's done plenty of bad stuff. I don't know that this is a controversial statement since no one can output at a 100% all the time, but I think the one I caught flak for was the cover of Avengers #4, which is in fact considered an iconic piece of comic book art, and I'm getting a total Emperor's New Clothes feel from it. When I think of the general idea of "Kirby is a bad artist", that's exactly what comes to mind, and I was gonna bring it up but you beat me to it. Other then that, I can't think of any other piece he's done as bad. Dude's a legend in art for a reason, he does incredible work 99.9% of the time and that might be literally.
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prefect posted:Wasn't there some problem involving copyright or trademark or maybe they just lost the originals, but I remember being told that they couldn't collect American Flagg for some reason? Like, maybe there were really low-quality trades that ruined the whole point? I dunno about any problems with print. I got it on Comixology https://www.comixology.com/American-Flagg/comics-series/2487 e: I guess out of 50 issues you can only get 1-12 collected (I haven't read any of it yet  )
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Waterhaul posted:Look if everybody else read Sweet Tooth and Essex County you'd realize it was a perfectly human reaction. You're in for a treat. He usually does a little doodle when he does signings so you might be getting some original Lemire work too.
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Waterhaul posted:Look if everybody else read Sweet Tooth and Essex County you'd realize it was a perfectly human reaction. Just finished Essex County. Looks like Sweet Tooth is next.
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bobkatt013 posted:Just finished Essex County. Looks like Sweet Tooth is next. Other recommendations is Underwater Welder and The Nobody.
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