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kayakyakr posted:Also ECU -39.5 (over SMU) SMU is Very Bad.
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Real Name Grover posted:Currently Michigan State -8. I hope they know something I don't. Oregon is really good, but we showed some heavy loving flaws. I gotta bank on turnovers and blackshirts loving up.
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Sep 29, 2014 02:35
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Spiritus Nox posted:SMU is Very Bad. Yes. Taking ECU is easy money.
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Sep 29, 2014 03:01
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Dilber posted:yes. I didn't know you could get flagged for taunting yourself. College refs 
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Sep 29, 2014 03:01
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Detroit_Dogg posted:"Should we block these guys?" Agreed he's a great athletic director keep him forever serious posting: yeah, I get it, Michigan fans are old and out of touch lol cutting edge humor, hey did I mention that all Ohio State fans are pedophiles? But, that doesn't change the fact that the dude loving sucks at his job. I don't give a gently caress about piped in music or CRAZY UNIFORMS, but when you hire Brady Hoke because he's your guy without even reaching out to a legitimate candidate, defend him constantly, go out in the press to talk poo poo about the previous coach you fired (and in doing so, suggest that almost every key player on the sugar bowl winning team was irrelevant and didn't matter, because he was recruited by Rodriguez (yes, he actually did this)) you probably loving suck. He also supposedly sits in on the post game meetings between coaches, because he played for Michigan a million years ago and therefore is a football brain that can be a hands on member of the coaching staff. Woo, 3 win season incoming Marquis de Pyro fucked around with this message at 03:16 on Sep 29, 2014 |
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Sep 29, 2014 03:12
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http://maroonandwhitenation.com/2014/09/26/show-your-support-for-dillon-day/ Wear tattoo sleeves to show support for a dumbass.
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Brady Hoke would like you to know that proper procedures were followedBrady Hoke posted:"The safety of our student-athletes is always our top priority. We generally never discuss the specifics of a student-athlete's medical care, but Shane Morris was removed from yesterday's game against Minnesota after further aggravating an injury to his leg that he sustained earlier in the contest. He was evaluated by our experienced athletic trainers and team physicians, and we're confident proper medical decisions were made. The University of Michigan has a distinguished group of Certified Athletic Trainers and team physicians who are responsible for determining whether or not a player is physically able to play. Our coaches have no influence or authority to make determinations if or when an injured player returns to competition. The health and welfare of our student-athletes is and will continue to be a top priority."
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Sep 29, 2014 03:18
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rebel1608 posted:Brady Hoke would like you to know that proper procedures were followed The medical staff had a great week of practice but just didn't execute.
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Sep 29, 2014 03:19
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If there's one thing you can say about us mississipians it's that we are real good at latching onto bad ideas
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Texas is ranked in the 120s for total offense. There is a lot of inexperience and it is a new system but still. We have multiple 4-stars on our oline. We have a 4-star QB. We have multiple 4-star receivers. We have two 5-star running backs. Can someone with outside perspective tell me if this is enough to declare that Shawn Watson is bad? On the one hand he lost his QB and whatever system was built around him, along with all the experience on the o-line. That makes it seem unfair to judge him. Plus he does seem like a good QB coach. On the other hand, he has managed to field one of the least productive offenses in all of college football this year, and his prior track record is decidedly Greg Davis-esque (i.e. can do well with a truly great QB but generally mediocre to bad and always super vanilla).
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Sep 29, 2014 03:24
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Thermos H Christ posted:Texas is ranked in the 120s for total offense. There is a lot of inexperience and it is a new system but still. We have multiple 4-stars on our oline. We have a 4-star QB. We have multiple 4-star receivers. We have two 5-star running backs. Can someone with outside perspective tell me if this is enough to declare that Shawn Watson is bad? On the one hand he lost his QB and whatever system was built around him, along with all the experience on the o-line. That makes it seem unfair to judge him. Plus he does seem like a good QB coach. On the other hand, he has managed to field one of the least productive offenses in all of college football this year, and his prior track record is decidedly Greg Davis-esque (i.e. can do ok with a truly great QB but generally mediocre to bad and always super vanilla). He's only had a year, and Mack coaches all the talent out of those kids already.
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Sep 29, 2014 03:26
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Spiritus Nox posted:SMU is Very Bad. SMU, over the entire season, has 12 points. And that's terrible.
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Sep 29, 2014 03:27
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5 star in high school doesn't mean five star in college. I really have nothing. I'm trying to be supportive I just have nothing to support you with. I'm a Gator fan and I feel your pain dude.
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Sep 29, 2014 03:28
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Marquis de Pyro posted:Agreed he's a great athletic director keep him forever Well he's actually done a legitimate bad thing in backing Brady Hoke who kept playing an obviously injured and possibly concussed kid so I agree he should be fired. Almost everything else yall have been complaining about is mostly petty tbqh.
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Sep 29, 2014 03:32
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Detroit_Dogg posted:Well he's actually done a legitimate bad thing in backing Brady Hoke who kept playing an obviously injured and possibly concussed kid so I agree he should be fired. Almost everything else yall have been complaining about is mostly petty tbqh. Seeing as you don't buy tickets to Michigan football games, you opinion on what should happen inside the stadium is pretty irrelevant. Your incessant whining is mostly petty, tbqh.
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Sep 29, 2014 03:37
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Deteriorata posted:Seeing as you don't buy tickets to Michigan football games, you opinion on what should happen inside the stadium is pretty irrelevant. Nothing better than a good echo chamber.
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Sep 29, 2014 03:40
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If Michigan fans don't want Thing X in their stadium and get upset about it, that's their call  I'm kinda upset that Penn State sold the naming rights to the student section because, well, really?
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Sep 29, 2014 03:48
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This video has it all! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QnBpSindZIY
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Sep 29, 2014 03:50
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Sash! posted:If Michigan fans don't want Thing X in their stadium and get upset about it, that's their call gotta get the cash, gotta get the dough
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Sep 29, 2014 03:54
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Thermos H Christ posted:Texas is ranked in the 120s for total offense. There is a lot of inexperience and it is a new system but still. We have multiple 4-stars on our oline. We have a 4-star QB. We have multiple 4-star receivers. We have two 5-star running backs. Can someone with outside perspective tell me if this is enough to declare that Shawn Watson is bad? On the one hand he lost his QB and whatever system was built around him, along with all the experience on the o-line. That makes it seem unfair to judge him. Plus he does seem like a good QB coach. On the other hand, he has managed to field one of the least productive offenses in all of college football this year, and his prior track record is decidedly Greg Davis-esque (i.e. can do well with a truly great QB but generally mediocre to bad and always super vanilla). Your 4-star QB was hyped up as a Vince Young/Terelle Pryor clone. Charlie likes him some pass-first pocket style QBs who occasionally rarely run. Swoops is in a terrible scheme for him right now as a result, and I doubt any receiver is really going to make that better short of being Sammy Watkins-esque. As for the running backs...yeah I don't know. I think a lot of that is just the sheer lack of continuity on the line and the fact that anyone can stack the box against a pro-style offense with a QB who can't throw and generally do a pretty good job with it. Give it a year to actually see some improvement in mechanics/continuity before you give up on the guy.
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Yeah I guess I just question whether pursuing a pro style offense is a wise use of our resources here in spread central. Diamonds are plenty valuable but you don't mine for diamonds in Texas, you drill for oil. Maybe we would have more luck recruiting and have our young players look less lost if we ran something like what every offensive recruit in this state has grown up on.
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Fenrir posted:Yeah yeah, A&M won in OT, and welp honestly I'm surprised it was as close as it was. I figured the Hogs would lose by 10. Eh, I've been to that game before and the crowd has been pretty much 50/50. Plus Cowboys Stadium is always pretty much silent as the grave, so it's not like it really matters. Edit: plus if it was that much of a disadvantage, I don't think Arkansas would have agreed to play there every year General Dog fucked around with this message at 04:24 on Sep 29, 2014 |
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Sep 29, 2014 04:02
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It'd be one thing if he was changing actual you know, important things. Like if he got rid of the booster banner that all the players touch or if he painted over The Team, The Team, The Team in the tunnel. But he's not. He's trying to find ways to get people to come out and watch a product that is not very good (which are due to coaches he hired to be fair). Get mad at him for backing Brady Hoke after gross negligence and sitting in on meetings that I'm sure coaches don't want him at. He just chose to support a lame duck coach who put an injured and possibly concussed teenage kid in even more danger, that's awful and something he should be fired for. Getting mad about bottled water being sold for stadium prices in a, well, stadium is really funny though and I'm going to mock you for it.
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Sep 29, 2014 04:07
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Also allow me to sum up whatever response post comes: You're not a Michigan fan so you're not allowed to say what's important and we really need to be able to bring picnic foods into the stadium.
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Sep 29, 2014 04:11
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Detroit_Dogg posted:It'd be one thing if he was changing actual you know, important things. Like if he got rid of the booster banner that all the players touch or if he painted over The Team, The Team, The Team in the tunnel. But he's not. He's trying to find ways to get people to come out and watch a product that is not very good (which are due to coaches he hired to be fair). Get mad at him for backing Brady Hoke after gross negligence and sitting in on meetings that I'm sure coaches don't want him at. He just chose to support a lame duck coach who put an injured and possibly concussed teenage kid in even more danger, that's awful and something he should be fired for. The things he is doing that you think so highly of are having the exact opposite effect you think they should have. They do not attract Michigan fans to Michigan football games - in fact, they are driving them away. Consequently, they are dumb ideas that he should stop doing. This really isn't very complicated.
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Sep 29, 2014 04:13
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Thermos H Christ posted:Texas is ranked in the 120s for total offense. There is a lot of inexperience and it is a new system but still. We have multiple 4-stars on our oline. We have a 4-star QB. We have multiple 4-star receivers. We have two 5-star running backs. Can someone with outside perspective tell me if this is enough to declare that Shawn Watson is bad? On the one hand he lost his QB and whatever system was built around him, along with all the experience on the o-line. That makes it seem unfair to judge him. Plus he does seem like a good QB coach. On the other hand, he has managed to field one of the least productive offenses in all of college football this year, and his prior track record is decidedly Greg Davis-esque (i.e. can do well with a truly great QB but generally mediocre to bad and always super vanilla). Your O-Line is extremely young and pretty bad and your QB is also very young, although not bad. That is a recipe for struggle under better circumstances than Texas'. Add in the fact that you have played and will play some very good defensive lines and your skill positions, while not bad, aren't Tavon Austin/RG3-esque game changers, and it's gonna look ugly. I don't think that's necessarily a huge indictment of Watson yet - too many other bad circumstances, between installing a new system and losing lots of very very important players to injury or incident. Spiritus Nox fucked around with this message at 04:21 on Sep 29, 2014 |
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Sep 29, 2014 04:18
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I think people should go to football games to watch football, not to eat. I've never bought concessions at a sports game. If you can't make it through a game without eating you are probably a toddler and shouldn't really be at the sports game.
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Fenrir posted:
Frackie Robinson posted:Eh, I've been to that game before and the crowd has been pretty much 50/50. Plus Cowboys Stadium is always pretty much silent as the grave, so it's not like it really matters. Seconding this, especially since I was at the game. A&M definitely seemed to have more fans than Arkansas, but from roughly eyeballing it, it was 60/40 or 55/45 (I don't know the numbers, obviously, just basing this on how empty some sections were compared to the same sections on the opposing side.). I expect true home games to be like 90/10 or worse. Also, I expected that game to be A&M's defense vs Arkansas run game. The game went about as I expected (besides the fake punt), though I was pretty impressed with A&M's stops at the end of the game. It probably didn't hurt that the last two drives (including overtime) the A&M crowd finally woke up and started yelling (otherwise pretty quiet the whole time); the start of that was definitely the missed field goal.
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Sep 29, 2014 04:19
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That's where we have a fundamental disagreement. You think the extracurriculars are driving fans away, I think the fact that the team is upper level MAC quality is driving people away. If the team wasn't a complete and utter embarrassment I'm pretty sure nobody would care about water bottles and picnic baskets. Granted, that's impossible to prove but you get my take. Team wins games, people come. Team struggles with Akron, Miami of Ohio, loses to Utah, Minnesota, people don't come. And I'm sure you're right to a certain level, I bet there are fans out there who would go watch them play Minnesota but aren't due to advertisements in the stadium and expensive Sodexo food. But I firmly believe that that number is minuscule by itself and is only possibly a relevant number this season because of just how God awful and un-watchable the team currently is.
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Sep 29, 2014 04:20
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Frackie Robinson posted:I think people should go to football games to watch football, not to eat. I've never bought concessions at a sports game. If you can't make it through a game without eating you are probably a toddler and shouldn't really be at the sports game. C'mon now! Det really wants to bring in a picnic basket to the stadium, and quietly watch Michigan play a dignified football match among songbirds! Although it definitely sounds nicer than listening to Turn Down for What ten thousand times.
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Sep 29, 2014 04:24
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Detroit_Dogg posted:That's where we have a fundamental disagreement. You think the extracurriculars are driving fans away, I think the fact that the team is upper level MAC quality is driving people away. If the team wasn't a complete and utter embarrassment I'm pretty sure nobody would care about water bottles and picnic baskets. Granted, that's impossible to prove but you get my take. As I have pointed out before, Michigan's attendance has held up well for years despite having a long series of bad teams. Attendance didn't start dropping until Brandon started his campaign of changing everything. Season ticket renewals were way down for this season. Student ticket sales were way down for this season. Brandon was squirming all summer trying to drum up sales, because the wait list evaporated and demand was plummeting. This was all before this season started, and the current fiasco of a team took the field. The actual data do not support your position.
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Sep 29, 2014 04:27
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Saying "if the team was good people would come" is almost a non sequitur because yes, of course, people will come to watch their team when it is good unless the experience is downright terrible. But when the team is mediocre-to-bad, the small annoyances of all the corporate changes foisted upon the gameday experience start to add up and cause fans to feel marginalized and that they might as well stay home. That's the fanbase erosion that's the problem here, and oh hey a ticket for a bottle of Coke you say?
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Sep 29, 2014 04:27
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As much as I laugh at Det's folksy grampa storytime, I actually agree 100% with the bullshit commercialism thing. The "PEPSI THIRD DOWN EFFICIENCY BROUGHT TO YOU BY KROGER" is tiresome. Michigan happens to be less removed from a pastoral football experience. A picnic and a football match sounds quite lovely, actually. THAT'S ANOTHER HARRIS TEETER FIRST DOOOOOOOWN
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So some stuff about the FSU NCState game that's probably not very interesting outside of fsu fans and future opponents: Obvious points of horror are the OL, tackling, and general play of the safeties and the LBs. Some is personnel patchwork by necessity, some seems just like plain loving disinterest. As pointed out earlier, the center is rear end incarnate. He looks like a massive baby and I hate him. Thankfully, last game he's progressed to "below average" and is no longer single-handedly sinking the offense like the Clemson game. I can only imagine what he's been made to work on, maybe communication, but he's not folding completely at the snap so that's good. Center play aside, the line can't seem to establish a running attack early on, but gelled after a half. NCSU's coach made it a point in the post game to say we got away with infinity holding non-calls. Iunno, I only watched the game once and wasn't quite looking. Our RB Karlos Williams, he's still not a natural rb but he makes it work after a while. More importantly, he blows protection assignments way too much. He's become a really great pass catcher though. We played a TON of freshmen this game - 3 WRs, at least 3 on the front seven of the defense, RB. We still haven't quite done so in the secondary. Jameis is getting comfortable targeting them, but Rashad Greene still enjoys the majority the balls. All FSU's records should be his by the end of the season, and its really hard to think of a comparable wr. We had one true, competent nose guard and he tore his pec last week, and will be out for the rest of the season. The other DTs are workable but don't really occupy space the way the injured player does. Again, we're turning to freshmen in the two deep, and they still play with two much abandon, there's a plot to be excited about. Derrick Nnadi on the interior owns. On the outside in the second half, we played a lot of a freshman named Lorenzo Featherston. He's 6'7, incredibly quick and played a big part in the forced fumble on Jacoby Brissett - I dont think Jacoby expected him to be that quick and to cover that much ground. A couple plays before that iirc, ncsu ran a hand off from shotgun and featherston totally abandoned his responsibility and shot upfield, giving that weirdly strong wolf pack RB a huge gap to run through. Our backup strongside DE Walker seems unblockable but refuses to tackle. Brissetts first td came on our Safety Tyler Hunter. Bless him, he's nowhere near the same player he used to be since his injury. Do yourselves a favor and go watch that play again and see how bad he bites on the worst fake-out. Its almost as bad as that Chad Pennington rushing td gif from the sas wiki. Anyway, as much as our coaches seem to trust youth around the defense, they absolutely do not at safety. Jalen Ramsey is playing out of position trying to do now-departed Lamarcus Joyner's old role, and Hunter is playing Ramsey's old spot, and it's just not working. LBs are lovely in coverage. Leak a running back out of the backfield away from Terrance Smith for 6+ free yards everytime. There's a lot to be excited with honestly but I just have very little feel for the identity of our defense right now and hopefully things evolve after a gut check like what happened last year.
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Know what if Michigan football dies? good
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Frackie Robinson posted:I think people should go to football games to watch football, not to eat. I've never bought concessions at a sports game. If you can't make it through a game without eating you are probably a toddler and shouldn't really be at the sports game. I bought concessions at A&M because some games even the half gallon+ jug of water can't cancel out all the effects a midday game at Kyle Field and you need more water and a frozen lemonade. Or you get really drunk and buy a frozen lemonade because frozen lemonade is tasty.
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Alouicious posted:Know what I don't even want that to happen! I still have buds that work and play for them, I obviously want them to get murdered by Michigan State and it's always funny when Michigan blows up hilariously but I don't want them to just disappear into the abyss or anything like that.
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Deteriorata posted:As I have pointed out before, Michigan's attendance has held up well for years despite having a long series of bad teams. And as other people have pointed out to you it takes a while for this to happen. The RichRod years sucked for you but it was three years and he was gone, then Hoke pulled people back in with a bullshit 11-2 year before starting on this...highly mediocre at best stretch. Other than that the worst you've had to deal with in forever is the end of Moeller and the beginning of Carr which wasn't even that bad. As an aside how in the hell did Michigan end up with three ties in 1992?
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Deteriorata posted:The actual data do not support your position. 
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LeeMajors posted:As much as I laugh at Det's folksy grampa storytime, I actually agree 100% with the bullshit commercialism thing. "Nationwide is on your side...and the Nittany Lions side!" was burned into my brain after hearing it during what seemed like every single TV timeout ever
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