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Sash! posted:"Nationwide is on your side...and the Nittany Lions side!" was burned into my brain after hearing it during what seemed like every single TV timeout ever Is "and the Nittany Lions side" sung to the same tune?
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Zoran posted:Is "and the Nittany Lions side" sung to the same tune? Sadly the whole thing was spoken. Might have been less bothersome if it had been sung. Nothing is as bad as "SUNOCO RACE FUEL" in football. Yet.
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Sep 29, 2014 04:42
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Like every other ad at Dix Stadium is an Ametek ad.
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Sep 29, 2014 04:42
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Grittybeard posted:And as other people have pointed out to you it takes a while for this to happen. The RichRod years sucked for you but it was three years and he was gone, then Hoke pulled people back in with a bullshit 11-2 year before starting on this...highly mediocre at best stretch. With the canning of Borges and the hiring of Nussmeier, there was actually a lot of optimism for this year's team, that they could hit maybe 9 or 10 wins. There was nothing about the team itself that would have caused a precipitous drop in ticket demand. While there are no scientific surveys involved, the only reason I heard last winter from people who were dropping their season tickets was that they were fed up with Brandon and the in-stadium atmosphere. Nobody said they were tired of supporting a bad team, precisely because this was not expected to be a bad team. Hence the claim that it's simply a lagging effect doesn't seem to have a lot of actual credence behind it, other than wishful thinking. Michigan ended up with 3 ties in 1992 because the NCAA didn't start their tie-breaking overtime rules until 1994. Ties were common before then.
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Sep 29, 2014 04:42
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Sash! posted:"Nationwide is on your side...and the Nittany Lions side!" was burned into my brain after hearing it during what seemed like every single TV timeout ever That seems a bit unnerving, jeez.
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Sep 29, 2014 04:45
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Deteriorata posted:Michigan ended up with 3 ties in 1992 because the NCAA didn't start their tie-breaking overtime rules until 1994. Ties were common before then. I'm actually more interested in this now (and honestly no one is convincing anyone else in this argument so just let it happen and hope everyone gets fired). I know they had ties back then, but three in a year seems like a lot. You don't always have a choice in these things but were any of them just accepting the tie?
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Sep 29, 2014 04:46
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Deteriorata posted:Michigan ended up with 3 ties in 1992 because the NCAA didn't start their tie-breaking overtime rules until 1994. Ties were common before then. Maybe 95. UF-FSU had the "Choke at Doak" tie in 94. Of course, I don't know what the original overtime rules were off the top of my head.
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Sep 29, 2014 04:47
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I know a fair number of people who gave up on Michigan after the two attempted losses against Akron and UCONN, then they were kinda drawn back in but Michigan State stomped any hope they had out and I don't believe they've used their tickets this year and are keeping them hoping they redeem some value a few years down the road.
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Sep 29, 2014 04:50
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Yeah I mean anyone can make money or fill a stadium when a team is contending for national titles or conference titles. Notre Dame continued its sellout streak during the Dark Times. I can't imagine that even in the down years for Alabama, Auburn, or any other huge program that there has been as much apathy as there seems to be from Michigan fans. Raising ticket prices in a state hit especially hard by the recession while trotting out a continually worse and worse team each season seems pretty tone deaf.
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Sep 29, 2014 04:51
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Grittybeard posted:I'm actually more interested in this now (and honestly no one is convincing anyone else in this argument so just let it happen and hope everyone gets fired). I know they had ties back then, but three in a year seems like a lot. I'm not sure what you mean by "accepting" the tie. When the game ended, that was it. If the score was tied, it didn't matter. A tie was better than a loss, so you'd play for the tie and hope for a chance at a last minute field goal. If it didn't happen, or it was missed, you still had the tie at least. Rarely would anyone go for two after a late TD rather than kick for a tie. There wasn't enough reward for the win to compensate for the risk of losing.
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Sep 29, 2014 04:54
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Deteriorata posted:I'm not sure what you mean by "accepting" the tie. When the game ended, that was it. If the score was tied, it didn't matter. Nebraska could have tied by choice in the Orange Bowl in 1984 but went for two, that's the type of situation I'm talking about. Or maybe a 4th and 5 at around the 20 yard line with 30 seconds left where you have to decide whether to kick a field goal to tie or go for it to try to win, that type of thing. Like I said it's not exactly a common thing, just wondering if anything like that applied with any of those games.
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Sep 29, 2014 04:57
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Detroit_Dogg posted:It'd be one thing if he was changing actual you know, important things. Like if he got rid of the booster banner that all the players touch or if he painted over The Team, The Team, The Team in the tunnel. But he's not. He's trying to find ways to get people to come out and watch a product that is not very good (which are due to coaches he hired to be fair). Get mad at him for backing Brady Hoke after gross negligence and sitting in on meetings that I'm sure coaches don't want him at. He just chose to support a lame duck coach who put an injured and possibly concussed teenage kid in even more danger, that's awful and something he should be fired for. As Det said, there was never a problem of empty seats before Brandon. Brandon created the problem out of whole cloth, with the absolute worst business sense possible. Brandon is simultaneously jacking up ticket prices while giving people what they don't wait, while also indigantly insisting that the very thing they complain about is what they really want and they should know better. The tipping point this week is that Brady Hoke lost all support on campus. Originally, people liked Hoke while recognizing he might be in over his head, and hated Brandon. Now, Brandon is even more hated, and Hoke was unmasked to everyone as the stooge (lummox) that he has been all this time. Detroit_Dogg posted:That's where we have a fundamental disagreement. You think the extracurriculars are driving fans away, I think the fact that the team is upper level MAC quality is driving people away. If the team wasn't a complete and utter embarrassment I'm pretty sure nobody would care about water bottles and picnic baskets. Granted, that's impossible to prove but you get my take. People came from 2008-2013 perfectly fine. The only attendance crisis started after Brandon changed the student section to an unworkable arrangement, allowing him to claim that students weren't coming, so he could shrink the student section and use those seats for corporate giveaways (Cokes) and Groupon. Deteriorata posted:Attendance didn't start dropping until Brandon started his campaign of changing everything. It goes beyond just changing everything, it goes to Brandon's arrogantly tone-deaf level of 'customer service'. So many season ticket holders have left for the following three reasons: 1. Ticket prices shoot way up, for worse and worse game experiences. 2. The athletic department responds with the message that the high prices are justified, to pay for all those things people didn't like or want in the first place. Also gently caress you for complaining, do you know who Dave Brandon is? 3. Brandon goes on a press junket of local media to talk about how great a job he's doing. If Michigan football stayed exactly the same off the field, the focus would be on Hoke. Until Shane Morris re-entered the game, all the hate was on Brandon, for good reason. Everything Brandon has done is to change Michigan athletics to make it all about himself, from changing the football game experience to insisting that he be the first person to cut down a piece of the net when Michigan Basketball wins in the NCAA tournament. On the personal level, he's offended almost every individual fan in some way, intentionally, because the whole athletic department is mainly Brandon swinging his dick around unprovoked.
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Sep 29, 2014 05:01
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Mahoning posted:Yeah I mean anyone can make money or fill a stadium when a team is contending for national titles or conference titles. Notre Dame continued its sellout streak during the Dark Times. I can't imagine that even in the down years for Alabama, Auburn, or any other huge program that there has been as much apathy as there seems to be from Michigan fans. Thank you! This is the central point. Michigan's "customer base" (which is a terrible way to look at your alumni and students, but Pizza CEO) have been priced out of what they consider acceptable. A student season ticket, for instance, was 285 dollars last year. For an experience that much of the fanbase does not like, to watch a team that does not win. You can laugh at our wistfulness to bring in a bottle of water that didn't cost 5 dollars or a sandwich for your children that doesn't cost 8.50, but people were used to that, and it was taken away without any concession. These are the same people that tried to ban those foam seat cushions in order to rent semi-permanent ones for the season. The backlash on that was quick and severe. The backlash on the rest of this is becoming severe. Neodoomium fucked around with this message at 05:03 on Sep 29, 2014 |
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Sep 29, 2014 05:01
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Grittybeard posted:Nebraska could have tied by choice in the Orange Bowl in 1983 but went for two, that's the type of situation I'm talking about. Or maybe a 4th and 5 at around the 20 yard line with 30 seconds left where you have to decide whether to kick a field goal to tie or go for it to try to win, that type of thing. That sort of decision varied by coaches and programs, and personnel. As a general rule, the inferior or visiting team would play for the tie, while the superior or home team would be expected to go for the win. Most of the time teams would play for the tie regardless. Not losing was more important than winning. That actually didn't come up all that often, though. Maybe one game a year at most would come down to it. Most ties happened just because nobody could score and time ran out.
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Sep 29, 2014 05:04
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Sep 29, 2014 05:16
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Sep 29, 2014 05:20
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Every time I see the word "Ohio" these days I'm overcome with the urge to kiss Frank Beamer
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Sep 29, 2014 05:22
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You know, even though Iowa State is currently 1-3, they're probably one of the best 1-3 teams in the country right now. They've lost to NDSU, which currently has an FBS winning streak longer than 90% of the FBS and an overall win streak approaching 30 games, longest in the country and in the top 15 longest winstreaks in NCAA football ever. They've lost to Kansas State, which took Auburn to the wire and should honestly have beaten the ever loving poo poo out of the national runners up but poo poo the bed at the worst moments imaginable. They've lost to Baylor, which is one of the frontrunners for the national playoff. When Kansas State goes to Norman to take on Oklahoma in a few weeks, that loss could look even better. I'm not saying ISU is going to come anywhere near the playoff, obviously, but the way Texas Tech is playing, and the way Texas is playing, and the way Kansas is playing, they've got pretty drat good shots in all three of those games, and Oklahoma State isn't too lofty a goal for an upset.
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Sep 29, 2014 05:30
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I mean, for real. Sure, Brady Hoke allowed a 19 year old to get hit so hard he forgot mathematics, but if Michigan is Rutgers' first conference win, that's TRULY unacceptable.
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Sep 29, 2014 05:39
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Sep 29, 2014 06:02
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 Did this come from that dude on ShaggyBevo? The style looks familiar.
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Sep 29, 2014 06:09
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Dr. Gitmo Moneyson posted:
Yes. The dude has a website, Prevail and Ride, where he posts weekly "Shame-Paints". I'd post the whole set, but there are dicks in it, including Steve Spurrier's farmer-tan dick.
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Sep 29, 2014 06:12
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One other thing I almost forgot to mention about the Texas offense situation (and that I haven't seen mentioned much elsewhere). During both the UCLA and the Kansas games, the offense was focused less on scoring quickly and more on just staying on the field as long as possible. That was one of the biggest contributors in the BYU loss; the defense was on the field about 60% of the time, and they got worn down and less able to do their jobs as the game went on. Whereas in the other 2 games, both sides had closer to a 50/50 split in playing time, so the defense had more time to rest and held out better as a result. I don't think this fully justifies the performance against Kansas, but it might help to explain some of the playcalling decisions on the offensive side of the ball, which in turn might help to explain why they only scored 23 points instead of going for more. I'm not sure how they're going to tailor this strategy against Baylor, but it wouldn't surprise me if Texas has some tricks up their sleeve that we haven't seen yet. I. M. Gei fucked around with this message at 06:41 on Sep 29, 2014 |
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Sep 29, 2014 06:36
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Rice won a game!  Operation "Lose A Bunch of Money on the Hawaii Bowl" is still on.
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Sep 29, 2014 06:44
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Chump Farts posted:I hope they know something I don't. Oregon is really good, but we showed some heavy loving flaws. I gotta bank on turnovers and blackshirts loving up. It pains me to say this because we've had a bit of a rivalry the past 5 years, but I think you guys are far and away the best team in the B1G, as in like being favored by a TD over everyone on a neutral field. Nebraska has a horrible QB and MSU is traditionally great against the run. Not to mention that your offense looks better than in the past.
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Sep 29, 2014 06:44
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Nimmy posted:It pains me to say this because we've had a bit of a rivalry the past 5 years, but I think you guys are far and away the best team in the B1G, as in like being favored by a TD over everyone on a neutral field. Nebraska has a horrible QB and MSU is traditionally great against the run. Not to mention that your offense looks better than in the past. Not that I expect Nebraska to beat MSU (but I wouldn't be shocked if they do), but you're wrong on both accounts here. Armstrong isn't a top tier quarterback but he's also not complete dogshit either. He'll probably throw at least one pick against MSU but he'll also beat them on at least a couple of deep balls and give them fits with his running ability. And MSU might be traditionally great defending the run, but not against Nebraska - Nebraska has averaged over 200 rushing yards/game against MSU the last three years.
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Sep 29, 2014 07:18
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LeeMajors posted:Maybe 95. UF-FSU had the "Choke at Doak" tie in 94. Of course, I don't know what the original overtime rules were off the top of my head. Very similar, but with no requirement that you had to go for two on the third one. Georgia-Auburn had a four-overtime one in 1996. It was 28-28 in regulation and ended 56-49 UGA. Here's the box score. That was also the game Robert Baker made the unwise decision to taunt Uga after he scored. Edit: Upon seeing a replay on YouTube, Baker didn't taunt him and for some stupid reason, Uga was within five feet of the endzone. Still the most memorable thing those dogs have done, except die in rapid succession.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=foGHh14uvKk RC and Moon Pie fucked around with this message at 07:48 on Sep 29, 2014 |
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Sep 29, 2014 07:40
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LLCoolJD posted:They weren't garbage but they clearly weren't even in the same league as Alabama. When Eddie Lacy trampled through the linebackers it was clear things were going to get ugly. Problem is, they had the best resume heading into the game, so I can't think of who else deserved to go. Oregon. Notre Dame was a paper tiger, their wins were squeakers over medicore opponents.
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Sep 29, 2014 08:24
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Strobe posted:You know, even though Iowa State is currently 1-3, they're probably one of the best 1-3 teams in the country right now. This should be on the loving school crest.
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Sep 29, 2014 08:33
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effectual posted:Oregon. Their SOS stacked up with every other contender and they beat the same Stanford team who handed Oregon their only loss.
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Sep 29, 2014 08:38
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MourningView posted:Their SOS stacked up with every other contender and they beat the same Stanford team who handed Oregon their only loss. Well they might have beaten them if the refs had allowed the game to continue.
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Sep 29, 2014 08:54
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Grittybeard posted:Well they might have beaten them if the refs had allowed the game to continue. A Pitt team that barely went bowling took ND to triple overtime in the last couple games of the season. They weren't second best team in the country at all.
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Sep 29, 2014 08:58
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effectual posted:Oregon. Oregon couldn't even win the Pac-12 that year. I mean, I think Oregon had the best chance of showing up on the same field as Alabama, but resumes are resumes and Notre Dame went undefeated including a questionable call against Stanford.
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Sep 29, 2014 08:58
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Neodoomium posted:Thank you! This is the central point. Michigan's "customer base" (which is a terrible way to look at your alumni and students, but Pizza CEO) have been priced out of what they consider acceptable. A student season ticket, for instance, was 285 dollars last year. For an experience that much of the fanbase does not like, to watch a team that does not win. You can laugh at our wistfulness to bring in a bottle of water that didn't cost 5 dollars or a sandwich for your children that doesn't cost 8.50, but people were used to that, and it was taken away without any concession. Holy gently caress. I think ours are just under 200 and were less than that when I attended. Noctone posted:Not that I expect Nebraska to beat MSU (but I wouldn't be shocked if they do), but you're wrong on both accounts here. This year a few broken crossing routes seems like the new normal. 2012 and 2013 Abdullah had over 100 rushing, and 2012 Martinez burned us a few times. I could see this going either way, but it seems like Nebraska always has our number.
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Sep 29, 2014 10:31
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All the poor losing record big 12 teams are some of the best in the country. WVU had the tougest schedule, which everyone always clamors for, but oh they lost to basically the top 2 teams. ISU is better than they appear and i have a soft spot for them since they have good fans and a coach who actually tries to win games. I remember when even Baylor wouldnt do an onsides kick even when the offense scored every possession (wvu game). I feel bad for smu and buffalo because they probably scheduled baylor and other similar teams a few years ago when they sucked and instead of a close loss they get destroyed on national tv.
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Sep 29, 2014 12:38
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MourningView posted:This should be on the loving school crest. Iowa State: Winning the second half since 1862 I do agree with him though, the teams we've lost to are 11-1, with that one loss being in K-State's tight game with Auburn. Not a lot of teams would be better than 2-2 right now with ISU's schedule so far. Thoguh fucked around with this message at 13:10 on Sep 29, 2014 |
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Sep 29, 2014 13:07
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Detroit_Dogg posted:upper level MAC quality Wow, I never thought Detroit_Dogg would pay Michigan a compliment.
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Sep 29, 2014 13:16
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I knew BG would get into some track meet games but I didn't expect one to come against loving UMass of all teams.
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Sep 29, 2014 13:41
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Chump Farts posted:This year a few broken crossing routes seems like the new normal. 2012 and 2013 Abdullah had over 100 rushing, and 2012 Martinez burned us a few times. I could see this going either way, but it seems like Nebraska always has our number. God that '12 game was the taylormartinezest game of Taylor Martinez's career. Played like an idiot, then willed his team to victory. On the other hand, we have yet to see Armstrong really bring the team back from behind late (we saw Ron Kellogg in that situation last year), and I'm not looking forward to it, never mind that we have one of the best RBs in the country.
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Strobe posted:I'm not saying ISU is going to come anywhere near the playoff, obviously, but the way Texas Tech is playing, and the way Texas is playing, and the way Kansas is playing, they've got pretty drat good shots in all three of those games, and Oklahoma State isn't too lofty a goal for an upset. Oklahoma State will be tough because they're always tough to play in Stillwater. High mountain to climb. ISU could win the rest of their home games. I'm still not sold on OU being unbeatable. Their remaining road games line up fairly nicely as well: DKR is not an intimidating place to play, KU is probably going winless this season, and TCU has a nice win over Minnesota, but the rest of their competition has been horrible. If ISU stays healthy, they could have a last half of the season kinda like KSU's last year, where they lose to the FCS team and then turn it around to wind up top half of the Big XII. Could.
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