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mlmp08 posted:Yeah, most of the USAF players didn't really interact with the Stinger guys much. The mostly got to play against the low-flying Harriers and F-5s practicing low approaches and acting as fodder for the Stingers. There were some cases of Stingers being used for delouse, but half the time that meant they got excited and killed both the Blue Hornet and the Red Viper. We didn't have any of that either. IIRC we had one Prowler, and like 8 Hornets. Red Air was a handful of T-38s and two Hornets. After the first half, all the T-38s had to go home because the sun was setting, so the second half was all of our stuff against two drat 18s. And I was controlling this poo poo from some building on the WTI campus...it must've usually been used as a briefing room or something, because my "screen" was a projector aimed at the wall above me, there were like 50 seats behind me in theater arrangement. I had a combination mouse/remote control to move my cursor, the radar picture was fed by three different radars, each showing their own data overlapping each other (one had squawks, one had altitude, etc), and the radio controls were too far away so I had to have an assistant make changes when I needed something. Despite all that, the only blue air loss was the Prowler, because between the halves he left his orbit and flew close enough to those two Hornets that they got him nice and easy while he ignored my threat calls. The crew landed and sat in the front row behind me for the next half. 
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Godholio posted:We didn't have any of that either. IIRC we had one Prowler, and like 8 Hornets. Red Air was a handful of T-38s and two Hornets. After the first half, all the T-38s had to go home because the sun was setting, so the second half was all of our stuff against two drat 18s. And I was controlling this poo poo from some building on the WTI campus...it must've usually been used as a briefing room or something, because my "screen" was a projector aimed at the wall above me, there were like 50 seats behind me in theater arrangement. I had a combination mouse/remote control to move my cursor, the radar picture was fed by three different radars, each showing their own data overlapping each other (one had squawks, one had altitude, etc), and the radio controls were too far away so I had to have an assistant make changes when I needed something. Despite all that, the only blue air loss was the Prowler, because between the halves he left his orbit and flew close enough to those two Hornets that they got him nice and easy while he ignored my threat calls. The crew landed and sat in the front row behind me for the next half. Now I'm curious what year you were there. The first 2 WTIs I went to, the last evolution ended soon after nightfall, because the aggressor F-5s didn't have night gear. At some point, big brass in the USMC said "Look, idiots, we aren't going to do a day-zero doorkicking operation in full light against even older fighters, SAMs and MANPADS. This training is happening at night from now on." Now the F-5s have rudimentary night-flight gear, upgraded radars, and they usually get augmented by a division of F-18s, and so on, plus there's an SA-6 site out there. The name escapes me, but all OPFOR planes had a near-real-time GPS data system fed into the white cell, so that I, as the white cell Patriot, could start populating targets even if the AWACS/E-2D/TPS-59 didn't see them yet if it was reasonable that a Patriot radar would see it from its set location. I think the most Robust WTI I've been in had over 90 planes (F-18 (Super and otherwise), EA-18, F-16, F-15, B-1B, C-130 Compass Call, EA-6B, C-130K/J, AH-1, UH-1, MV-22, Mi-24 (that job seems fun), Hunter Hawker, SMART-1, E-2D, E-3, F-5, AV-8B, RQ-7B, B-52) and a pile of ground radars (ATC Aerostat, TPS-59/63, AN/MPQ-65, Sentinel, ATNAVICS, SA-6) plus they had cyber guys in play loving around both with internet and air comms. After an F-5 made an unobserved entry into an F-18 flight and killed all 4 of them in quick succession, an O-6 F-18 pilot stood up and said "If you got killed by that joker in the F-5, join the Secret Service, because all you're good for is taking a bullet." As an added F-18 blemish, a Blue F-18 knocked the F-5 out of the sky like 1 minute later, because he saw him streak up out of the enemy formation, after he splashed the entire enemy formation. Woops. mlmp08 fucked around with this message at 02:56 on Sep 29, 2014 |
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Looks like early 2010. I wasn't a student, just there for the exercise toward the end. I'm pretty sure the only reason we were there at all was because our squadron did have a student in that course. He was a JICO (data link guru, for everyone unfamiliar with the acronym) and an Air Surveillance Officer on AWACS. Bald and pudgy, but entertaining to be around and knew his poo poo.
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Ok. My first time there was late 2010 with live Patriot. I wasn't a student myself until 2012. edit: Godholio posted:just there for the exercise toward the end. Actually, if you were there for FINEX, there's not much of an air fight, because they're busy doing live fires with arty and infantry and armor and poo poo. mlmp08 fucked around with this message at 05:18 on Sep 29, 2014 |
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 There is not enough torque in all of Christendom to get this canon plug off. Edit: they used PS 870 B1/2 as thread sealant. 
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mlmp08 posted:Actually, if you were there for FINEX, there's not much of an air fight, because they're busy doing live fires with arty and infantry and armor and poo poo. Took a look through one of my random military boxes, and it looks like we were there for OAAW. There certainly weren't live fires getting tossed around...that would've actually been meaningful training for us (because we have to decon that poo poo in-theater and it's one of the biggest pains in the asses for new guys to figure out for some reason) so naturally we weren't there for it. Random un-aeronautical question: What's the name of that place that has minigolf, arcade games, pool tables, etc which kicks out the families at night so it can turn into a lovely club? We were having dinner on the patio after work one night and over the course of like 15 minutes it went from kids and parents to...I don't even know what to call the incoming crowd. People too lazy to find a real club, or who couldn't cross state lines with an ankle bracelet, I guess. Godholio fucked around with this message at 07:22 on Sep 29, 2014 |
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So I saw my first V-22's today. At least "close enough to grasp what they're like." I was at a bicycle race, that was under one of the landing paths to O'Hare. I heard this fast, quiet, helicopter thing... And i looked up, and there it was, a V-22. Two or three passed over. In airplane mode they're freaky quiet. They seemed quieter than a C172.
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Godholio posted:Random un-aeronautical question: What's the name of that place that has minigolf, arcade games, pool tables, etc which kicks out the families at night so it can turn into a lovely club? We were having dinner on the patio after work one night and over the course of like 15 minutes it went from kids and parents to...I don't even know what to call the incoming crowd. People too lazy to find a real club, or who couldn't cross state lines with an ankle bracelet, I guess. They're called Main Event in North Texas at least. Not sure if that's what you're thinking of. I guess they're enough of a bar that they have to kick out minors after 10pm or midnight or something, I forget the law.
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Nostalgia4Infinity posted:Heh it's the very first lawn dart Nah, that was the Starfighter.
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Godholio posted:Random un-aeronautical question: What's the name of that place that has minigolf, arcade games, pool tables, etc which kicks out the families at night so it can turn into a lovely club? We were having dinner on the patio after work one night and over the course of like 15 minutes it went from kids and parents to...I don't even know what to call the incoming crowd. People too lazy to find a real club, or who couldn't cross state lines with an ankle bracelet, I guess.
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ctishman posted:
hahaha  ???? Someone used it to wet install of fasteners on a wingtip nav light glazing once. On an airbus, with those horrible airbus offset screws. Oh the cursing!
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The Ferret King posted:They're called Main Event in North Texas at least. Not sure if that's what you're thinking of. I guess they're enough of a bar that they have to kick out minors after 10pm or midnight or something, I forget the law. Trashier. Found it online, it's called Z Fun Factory.
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Spaced God posted:edit: Also, I saw this video at ground school and can't find it anywhere online, but it's a guy giving a demonstration of the Super Hornet, and it's the HUD view with the guy talking his way through all of the maneuvers. poo poo was so cool. I remember at one point he was waiting for speed to increase and had a building in his pipper so he just made gun sounds until he reached his speed. Can anyone help find it?
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MagnumHB posted:Was this (minus the music) it? Oh my god you're a beautiful human being.
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MagnumHB posted:Was this (minus the music) it? Of course it's TOOL. Of course it is.
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This seems like a very bad day to be flying in the midwest.
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CroatianAlzheimers posted:Of course it's TOOL. Of course it is.
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I'm just surprised it wasn't Dragon Force.
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hobbesmaster posted:This seems like a very bad day to be flying in the midwest. Not gonna get a whole lot better any time soon. There will be some improvements, but we're doing pretty well all things considered.
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hobbesmaster posted:This seems like a very bad day to be flying in the midwest. What happened this time, another weird fire, or just lovely weather?
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hobbesmaster posted:This seems like a very bad day to be flying in the midwest. Because of what, Chicago Center? What's the latest news on that front?
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fknlo posted:Not gonna get a whole lot better any time soon. There will be some improvements, but we're doing pretty well all things considered. Flight to Minneapolis was 20 minutes late due to flying around Chicago center's airspace and my connecting flight is only 30 minutes late since the equipment came from Chicago. Not bad at all considering. However... My boss is on United today instead of Delta... United sounds completely hosed.
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hobbesmaster posted:United sounds completely hosed. Not surprising as O'Hare is a major hub for them.
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Safety Dance posted:Because of what, Chicago Center? What's the latest news on that front? Reviewing security plans or somesuch. Planning to have it all back up by Mid-Oct I think. My friend's flight from DFW to PHL was hilariously routed the day everything went out. He basically did a tour of the South the only state he missed was Tennessee and was supposed to actually fly into MDT but they couldn't get his flight there. So he had to rent a car in Philly and drive to MDT to pick his car up from the airport.
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I'm getting married this weekend, so I'm issuing travel advisories to my out of town guests. Hopefully no one's pooch will be screwed.
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Safety Dance posted:I'm getting married this weekend, so I'm issuing travel advisories to my out of town guests. Hopefully no one's pooch will be screwed. I'd still avoid going through KORD or KMDW if at all possible. They're moving planes, but still at a seriously reduced capacity. They're basically limited by what we can give them and take from them. It should get a little better if the plan with ZAU controllers running some sectors remotely from surrounding centers pans out at all.
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Linedance posted:hahaha This is why I love and absolutely hate Aviation maintenance. Its mind boggling what you will come across on a day to day basis.
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Greataval posted:This is why I love and absolutely hate Aviation maintenance. Its mind boggling what you will come across on a day to day basis. Pretty much. Sometimes poo poo is so hard you're tempted to take shortcuts, but then you run into the results of someone else taking a shortcut and just rage. These are the canon plugs at the leading edge of the 737 wing root that have all that sealant up around the base of the jack side. I think they just went with B1/2 because that's what was on hand and they wouldn't be the poor sucker who had to take it off. gently caress that person.
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Ask me about  The guys having trouble with ez-outs in the mechanical failures thread are loving babes in the woods.
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ask me about machining 6 4 plate and bending 6 4 sheet (and what our penetrant inspection failure rates are like  )
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ctishman posted:Pretty much. Sometimes poo poo is so hard you're tempted to take shortcuts, but then you run into the results of someone else taking a shortcut and just rage. These are the canon plugs at the leading edge of the 737 wing root that have all that sealant up around the base of the jack side. I think they just went with B1/2 because that's what was on hand and they wouldn't be the poor sucker who had to take it off. gently caress that person. So many times have I heard "sealant is structural" it's silly. People would find position lights or anticollision lights or UHF/VHF antennas falling off and just want to glue it back on with 8802. MIL-S-8802 is also PS 707. MIL-S-81733, the other NAVAIR-favorite sealant, is the milspec name for PS 870. I've also seen someone try to glue an anticollision light back on with gray RTV. Times like this when the phrase "that won't fly with us" is literal. For the confused: These are two-part sealants. Part A is white and has the consistency of warm peanut butter, but is four times as sticky. Part B is black as ichor and has the consistency of cold honey, but even sticker. Mixed 10:1 A:B, they form a uniform sticky gray paste that gets ABSOLUTELY EVERYWHERE and sticks forever. It has a working time of 1/2hr (PS 870-1/2) to 2 hours (PS 870-2). When cured, they're like soft rubber that has to be cut off of anything painted, and is pretty well adhered to even bare aluminum, frequently requiring significant scraping to remove.
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rscott posted:ask me about machining 6 4 plate and bending 6 4 sheet (and what our penetrant inspection failure rates are like Ok, I'm asking you.
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machining it sucks, bending it sucks, finishing the surface without heating it up and messing with the temper sucks, give me aluminum any day
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rscott posted:give me aluminum any day Enough of a hint to figure out you're talking about a Titanium alloy.
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With loving plastic or phenolic scrapers, of course.
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ctishman posted:With loving plastic or phenolic scrapers, of course. ...of course 
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ctishman posted:With loving plastic or phenolic scrapers, of course. NONMETALLIC SCRAPER REQUIRED. I just went to Harbor Freight and bought a fistful of their plastic putty knives. There were nylon, ABS, something white (EPS?), something brown (bakelite, for all I can tell), and something black (UHMW?). The nylon ones worked great, but you couldn't really re-sharpen them once they got dull. I liked the ABS or the black one the best. That, or an X-Acto knife and a can of primer. Get in nice with the folks at the paint shop; you're gonna be putting sealant back over it!
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babyeatingpsychopath posted:So many times have I heard "sealant is structural" it's silly. People would find position lights or anticollision lights or UHF/VHF antennas falling off and just want to glue it back on with 8802. MIL-S-8802 is also PS 707. MIL-S-81733, the other NAVAIR-favorite sealant, is the milspec name for PS 870. I've also seen someone try to glue an anticollision light back on with gray RTV. ask me about having to strip off all of this with a razor blade prior to refinishing a Hawker e- judging by the above I'm hoping that's military applications, if not I blame my boss in any future FAA investigation
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Major Kong on challenging airports. I knew O'Hare was big; I didn't know it was built like a airport jigsaw puzzle.
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