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Gough Suppressant
Nov 14, 2008
Liberalism is the mind-killer. Liberalism is the little-death that brings total obliteration. I will face my liberalism. I will permit it to pass over me and through me. And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path. Where the liberalism has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.

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Doctor Spaceman
Jul 6, 2010

"Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."
Ursul, we have operational matters the likes of which even God has never seen.

Vladimir Poutine
Aug 13, 2012
:madmax:
http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/...m-1227074424851

quote:

Office fitout company ISIS Group Australia considers name change after staff abused as ‘terrorists’
A NATIONAL construction company could be forced to change its name of 25 years because staff members are being abused as “terrorists”.

ISIS Group Australia — an Australian company that has specialised in commercial office fit-outs and refurbishments since 1989 — has been forced to scale back signage on worksites and asked workers to not wear uniforms branded with the company name.

It comes as a Sydney family has been urged to change the name of their eight-year-old girl, whose name is Isis.

In recent weeks, site workers have been abused as “terrorists” by passers-by and angry messages have been left on the company’s office line.

“Hey you terrorist bastards, I hope you bastards all die in Iraq, you terrorist al-Qaeda bastards, you ISIS pieces of s**t,” one message said.

ISIS chief executive Michael Barnes said he was upset that “ill-informed members of the public” had mistaken the company for the terrorist group wreaking havoc in the Middle East.

The terrorist group previously went by the acronym ISIS — or Islamic State of Iraq and al-Sham — but is also variously known as ISIL and IS.

Mr Barnes said the company took the safety of its workers and subcontractors “very seriously”.

“In recent weeks we have instructed our workers to stop wearing ISIS-branded clothing and are also in the process of scaling back on-site branding to limit attention from misinformed people and ensure the safety of our employees,” Mr Barnes said.

“We are upset that what we stand for is becoming eroded by the Islamic State.”

Mr Barnes said it was possible the company may be forced to change its name if the abuse did not stop.

“We will continue to monitor how our clients, staff, consultants and subcontractors feel about perceptions around our name and react accordingly,” he said.

Marketing specialist and associate director of the Ehrenberg-Bass Institute, Associate Professor Rachel Kennedy, said the confusion could ironically present an opportunity for the company.

“Use it as a talking point — it’s really hard for companies to get their brands noticed at all, so they could say ‘yeah, it’s crazy isn’t it, but we’re just furniture fitout specialists’,” Prof Kennedy said.

“It’s not a situation that you would ever intentionally put yourself in, but getting your brand noticed at all is a hard task, so build up the link between the brand and the work you do.”

Prof Kennedy said she believed very few people would form the link between the terror group and company, and urged its chiefs to hold firm against a name change.

“Some people don’t think that much and it would be a tiny few that are making that connection out of context,” she said.

“Their buyers are likely to be able to differentiate in the context of when they’re looking for someone to do a fitout versus the terrorist organisation.”

The ISIS Group employs more than 300 staff, with offices in every state and territory and a turnover of more than $500 million a year.

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Mar 6, 2007

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jesus christ australians are loving stupid

blindidiotgod
Jan 9, 2005



Murodese posted:

jesus christ australians are loving stupid

We really are the bold, unpredictable new talent in being loving stupid aren't we?

Nibbles!
Jun 26, 2008

TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP

make australia great again as well please
I like the marketing expert saying run with it; "Hey you terrorist bastards, I hope you bastards all die in Iraq....by the way, could I get a quote on a partition wall"

NPR Journalizard
Feb 14, 2008

I didn't watch Q&A because gently caress that. Did Pyne say anything remarkably stupid or was he his usual smug lovely self?

Animal Friend
Sep 7, 2011

Speaking of the ABC, given the last two episodes of Media Watch, will ASIO soon arrest Paul Barry?

adamantium|wang
Sep 14, 2003

Missing you

quote:

Six-month wait for dole would breach human rights, bipartisan parliamentary committee finds
By political reporter Naomi Woodley


A bipartisan parliamentary report has found the Federal Government will breach its international obligations if it goes ahead with its budget proposal to force young jobseekers to wait six months for unemployment benefits.

The tough welfare measure is due to be debated in Parliament this week and the Government is negotiating with crossbench senators to get the bill passed.

Family First senator Bob Day has encouraged Senate colleagues to push for a compromise option of a one-month waiting period rather than six.

But the report from the Joint Committee on Human Rights said "the committee considers that the measure is incompatible with the right to social security and the right to an adequate standard of living".

Australian Council of Social Service (ACOSS) chief executive Cassandra Goldie said the committee's unanimous findings were damning and should convince senators to reject the bill.

"If we are to be serious, standing on the global stage saying Australia respects human rights, then this is the acid test," Dr Goldie said.

"Will the Government respect the findings of its own human rights committee?

"The committee is there for a purpose. It has reported to Parliament, and we believe it is the obligations now of Parliament to respond and respect those findings."

The committee was put in place by the previous Labor government but its findings are not binding on the Government.

"There's quite clearly a moral obligation, and internationally, it is a legal obligation," Dr Goldie said.

"The Government is involved in the UN Security Council, it is an important member of the United Nations systems, and these are serious international legal obligations that it is obliged to meet.

"These are not discretionary obligations that the Government can pick and choose from. They are founded in important international human rights obligations."

Social Services Minister defends tough welfare measures

ACOSS said the committee's findings backed up criticism from community and welfare groups about the impact of the tough welfare measures on jobseekers under the age of 30.

Social Services Minister Kevin Andrews told the Human Rights Committee that the budget measure was aimed at increasing the numbers of young people in work if they were able to do so.

"This measure seeks to address youth unemployment by encouraging young people to accept jobs rather than relying on income support at risk of becoming disengaged, both socially and economically," Mr Andrews told the committee.

He said jobseekers would get help to look for work and exemptions would be available to some people.

But the committee found the Minister's response did not address its fundamental concerns about the effect of the waiting period.

"The response does not provide any further information as to how young people are to sustain themselves during a six-month period without social security," the report said.

"The committee noted in its original assessment that information regarding the likely impact of the measure on individuals and their families, and how individuals subject to the measure will retain access to adequate shelter and food, is necessary in order to assess the human rights compatibility of this measure."

The committee is chaired by Liberal senator Dean Smith and includes four other Government members, four Labor representatives and one from the Greens.

It found another budget proposal, to lift the age of eligibility for the Newstart allowance from 22 to 25, was also in breach of Australia's international obligations because it was incompatible with the rights to equality and non-discrimination on the basis of age.

Box Hill Strangler
Jun 27, 2007

Frozen peas are on special at Woolies! Bargain!
Like the Australian government gives a poo poo about breaching human rights.

Tasmantor
Aug 13, 2007
Horrid abomination
Jesus people we are in the mist of Moozlim Geehad Terrorust we HAVE to take your dole to spend it on mining cops or whatever.

SAFETY PEOPLE!

Skellybones
May 31, 2011




Fun Shoe
Yeah but most of these violations would be on White Anglo-Saxons with a judaeo-Christian background who already have citizenships and family here.

Wistful of Dollars
Aug 25, 2009

Tasmantor posted:

Jesus people we are in the mist of Moozlim Geehad Terrorust we HAVE to take your dole to spend it on mining cops or whatever.

SAFETY PEOPLE!

The Something Awful Forums > Discussion > Debate & Discussion: We tortured some folks > Auspol October: Geehad in Geelong.

Synthbuttrange
May 6, 2007

Speaking of Vic, TERROR RAIDS going on this morning, so i guess thats the last post from me.

Box Hill Strangler
Jun 27, 2007

Frozen peas are on special at Woolies! Bargain!
Well, I for one am sufficiently terrorised. Just not by who Im 'supposed' to be.

I saw a thing before on twitter (yeah I know) saying James Hardy is one of 10 companies who pay zero tax. These are the guys bellyaching about not being able to afford those compo payments for people dropping dead from their asbestos right?

hambeet
Sep 13, 2002


uh oh

http://www.isispc.com.au/

Mad Katter
Aug 23, 2010

STOP THE BATS

I clicked on that link. Is ASIO coming to my house now?

webmeister
Jan 31, 2007

The answer is, mate, because I want to do you slowly. There has to be a bit of sport in this for all of us. In the psychological battle stakes, we are stripped down and ready to go. I want to see those ashen-faced performances; I want more of them. I want to be encouraged. I want to see you squirm.

Box Hill Strangler posted:

I saw a thing before on twitter (yeah I know) saying James Hardy is one of 10 companies who pay zero tax. These are the guys bellyaching about not being able to afford those compo payments for people dropping dead from their asbestos right?

Correct. And yes, the zero tax paid last year is also correct.

You'll also be happy to know that their litigation strategy for defending against worker's comp claims was to wait for claimants to die. The lawyer pushing this strategy was none other than the "Honourable" Julie Bishop, MP

webmeister
Jan 31, 2007

The answer is, mate, because I want to do you slowly. There has to be a bit of sport in this for all of us. In the psychological battle stakes, we are stripped down and ready to go. I want to see those ashen-faced performances; I want more of them. I want to be encouraged. I want to see you squirm.
Stopped clock etc

The Actual Daily loving Terrorgraph posted:

Life under the Muslim veil: Our reporter’s day shrouded and afraid on familiar streets

Are you sure there is no bomb in there?

A question from a casually dressed young guy was ringing in my ears after I stepped out of the George St Apple Retail Store in a full-length black dress and headwear. And this is what Muslim women have to deal with every day in Sydney. Adrenaline was pumping and I wanted to rip off my Muslim garb and be me again. But I didn’t. I bit my tongue because I knew I had already come so far.

I never knew what it was like not being able to smile.

Much worse than the racist and abusive taunts cast my way from a steady stream of Sydneysiders was the inability to show them how I felt. Yes, the shroud covered my skin, my hair, my eyes, my identity but what hurt most was having my emotions hidden from the world.

It was not all hate. A number of people smiled at me, maybe smiles of sympathy or the only way they could hide their fears from me. I won’t ever know.

I desperately wanted the world to see my hidden smile. I wanted to interact with people.

My journey posing as a Muslim started at Central Station, but the first steps towards this experience came much earlier.

It was after no small amount of deliberation that I took on the assignment asked of me by my editor — to spend two days in the traditional niqab dress in two different parts of Sydney to see how people would react.

I have no prejudices against any religion over another but in the end I thought it would give an insight into a garment which has proven so divisive.

Moments after walking into the station, I knew my presence was making people uncomfortable. Two children sniggered at me as they walked past, while another two men stopped to stare at me.

But it was not as bad as I thought. Before taking on the challenge; I had fears of being spat on, or even pushed in front of a train.

Some would only take a split second glance before looking away, but others would stare for longer in disbelief.

I felt hated and completely alienated from the rest of the world, so hidden and alone. When I was waiting for a train, I was getting used to my new identity, but my confidence was quickly battered when a man yelled “dirty religion”. Everyone really began to stare. I felt bullied, it felt so unfair.

I started to tremble and felt my legs would give way when I started to walk down stairs to exit the station. But I carried on.

When I went to purchase a punnet of strawberries at a fruit stand at Martin Place, the shopkeeper raised an eyebrow, but after I asked when raspberries would be back in season, my voice seemed to relax and the man seemed happy to talk to me.

At the next block, I went to buy a packet of chewing gum, but the shop worker ignored me and made another transaction with a man who had walked in after me.

I could not help but open my mouth, and said “I’m sorry but I think I was first”

A woman walked up to me and asked if I was “OK sweetheart”. It was reassuring — just a normal inquiry from one concerned Australian to another. It gave me hope.

Unsurprisingly, the experience of wearing the traditional garb in the CBD almost seemed a world away from doing so in Lakemba.

IN LAKEMBA
WEARING a niqab in Lakemba was like wearing a bikini at Bondi Beach.

No big deal — but getting hold of the traditional dress was a bit of a different story.

But when I first arrived in Holden Street, Lakemba, wearing a white T-shirt and black pants, I knew straight away I did not fit in. It was enough to make me feel uncomfortable.

I was shopping for the niqab to wear into the CBD and test how Australians react to a woman in traditional full length clothing.

With not a clue where to start, I stopped a young Muslim girl on the street and asked where to find a niqab.

To my surprise, she offered to walk me to a shop and helped me find what I was looking for.

Once changed, I blended in instantly into the Lakemba community — I was no longer an outcast.

At first I was worried and overwhelmed with paranoia that everyone could see the real me underneath.

But I was wrong, under the protection of the niqab, I belonged. At a local grocery store I walked up to the shop keeper and asked where I could get a hamburger because I was so nervous, it was the only thing that came to mind.

The woman was friendly, but my heart sank when she asked if I was “Australian”.

“Yes,” I replied, and thanked the woman before leaving the shop.

After walking out I strolled down the street before stopping at a clothing shop and looked through a rack of dresses, desperately trying not to stick out.

No one looked twice.

Returning to the grocery store, I revealed my identity to the friendly shop assistant and her colleague.

I asked 18-year-old Zahra Hazime about her experience of wearing the scarf and she opened up about people’s reactions.

“Honestly, a little kid coming up to you and just giving you the biggest dirty look, and then the mum will be like “don’t speak to her,” It is really bad,” Ms Hazime said.

“You have to learn to put that on the side.”

“Everyone is their own person. I believe everyone can follow whatever religion that they want,

“With us Muslims we actually see other religions coming into ours,

“We believe you are doing what we are doing, following the same rules.”

“It is all the stuff that is happening, the ISIS are not even Muslim. They just make us look bad.

“All that is happening now is not right; they see the evil in everything.”

Amir Hamze, 17, said she regularly faces negative comments about her choice to wear traditional Muslim clothing.

“I have the scarf on for three years, everyone knows me here and people ask why I put it on. They say it is not nice,” Ms Hamze said.

“Taking off the scarf is like a sin.”

Reflecting on my experience behind the veil, it was interesting as an experiment, but I wondered how it must be to live like this all the time.

Smegmatron
Apr 23, 2003

I hate to advocate emptyquoting or shitposting to anyone, but they've always worked for me.
There is so much wrong with that article, and almost everything that's wrong with it begins and ends with the reporters incredibly lovely and baseless assumptions about Muslims.

The thesis is essentially "being a Muslim sucks because it sucks to be a Muslim, not because Australians are dickheads."

You Am I
May 20, 2001

Me @ your poasting

Smegmatron posted:

There is so much wrong with that article, and almost everything that's wrong with it begins and ends with the reporters incredibly lovely and baseless assumptions about Muslims.

The thesis is essentially "being a Muslim sucks because it sucks to be a Muslim, not because Australians are dickheads."

I agree. It's a bit like following the Jewish community around and coming to the conclusion "It gotta suck since you can't have any pork products"

Zenithe
Feb 25, 2013

Ask not to whom the Anidavatar belongs; it belongs to thee.

quote:

Much worse than the racist and abusive taunts cast my way from a steady stream of Sydneysiders was the inability to show them how I felt.

Yeah I think she might be in a minority on that one

Ian Winthorpe III
Dec 5, 2013

gays, fatties and women are the main funny things in life. Fuck those lefty tumblrfuck fags, I'll laugh at poofs and abbos if I want to

Smegmatron posted:

There is so much wrong with that article, and almost everything that's wrong with it begins and ends with the reporters incredibly lovely and baseless assumptions about Muslims.

The thesis is essentially "being a Muslim sucks because it sucks to be a Muslim

Where in the article did you get that from and what assumptions are you referring to?

Quantum Mechanic
Apr 25, 2010

Just another fuckwit who thrives on fake moral outrage.
:derp:Waaaah the Christians are out to get me:derp:

lol abbottsgonnawin

Zenithe posted:

Yeah I think she might be in a minority on that one

For the first time in her life, probably

Synthbuttrange
May 6, 2007

Shittiness of her own opinions aside, at least the people she talked to got their say mostly unedited.

Synthbuttrange
May 6, 2007

quote:

Sexual abuse, rape threats alleged by Nauru asylum seekers

Asylum seekers have made allegations of sexual abuse of women and children and threats of rape by guards working in the detention centre on Nauru.

One female detainee has detailed her claims to Fairfax Media and Greens senator Sarah Hanson-Young, including threats that she would be raped if her refugee status was recognised and she was released into the Nauruan community.

The allegations come as protests and acts of self-harm continue in the centre over the decision to offer people on Christmas Island temporary protection and work rights in Australia, but not the 1233 asylum seekers currently being held in Nauru.

Senator Hanson-Young has written to Immigration Minister Scott Morrison asking for an independent investigation into the allegations that;

- Female asylum seekers were told by guards that they must expose their bodies in order to be allowed to shower for longer than two minutes.

- Guards offered illicit drugs, including marijuana, in return for sex from asylum seekers.

- One Australian guard ordered two underage asylum seekers to have sex in front of him. The incident happened six months ago and the guard has since left the island, it has been alleged.

- One asylum seeker was threatened that she would be raped once she leaves the centre by a guard and his wife.


The asylum seeker, who asked not to be identified, said guards in the detention centre were saying to female asylum seekers: "If you want to take a shower for more than two minutes, you have to show your body." She also said two guards told her: "When you get out of here, we have a plan for you. We are going to find you and f--- you."

Another asylum seeker alleged an Australian guard said he wanted to have sex with children on the island and forced two underage asylum seekers to perform sexual acts in front on him.

"He tried to have sex with them," she said. "He then made the children have sex with each other."

Senator Hanson-Young called on Mr Morrison to "act immediately" over the allegations.

"The Australian government is actively and intentionally destroying women and children on Nauru," she said.

Transfield Services, which was awarded a $1.22 billion contract this year to manage Australia's offshore processing centres in Nauru and Manus Island, also subcontracts security to Wilson Security on Nauru. But a spokesman declined to comment, saying: "I'll defer you to the minister's office."

A spokeswoman for Mr Morrison said: "Senator Hanson-Young's allegations have been referred to the Department of Immigration and Border Protection."

A spokesman for the Immigration Department said "a formal response will have to come from the minister's office".

The first asylum seeker also detailed multiple of acts of self-harm among detainees in Nauru after Mr Morrison announced that asylum seekers on Christmas Island would be offered two forms of temporary protection on the mainland if found to be refugees, with some eventual prospect of permanent residency.

"It is just horrible," she told Fairfax Media, saying all the children in the detention population were distressed, with several hurting themselves and some young girls sewing their lips together. "It's not fair."

The 1233 asylum seekers on Nauru are also anxious at the prospect of being pressured to accept permanent protection in Cambodia, one of the poorest and most corrupt countries in Asia, under the deal struck with Mr Morrison on Friday. But their main grievance is why they are being treated differently to people who are on Christmas Island when they all arrived after July 19.

In a video obtained by Fairfax Media, asylum seekers are shown holding banners saying: "What is the difference between asylum seekers in Nauru with those in Christmas Island? All came after July 19!" Nauruan police are then seen removing the banner from the children who are holding it.

It is believed a contingent of additional guards have been flown to the island from Brisbane in anticipation of further unrest.

with Daniel Flitton

http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/sexual-abuse-rape-threats-alleged-by-nauru-asylum-seekers-20140929-10nlun.html

hooman
Oct 11, 2007

This guy seems legit.
Fun Shoe

Absolute power something somethings absolutely.

I'm pretty sure it's "stops the boats", it is "stops the boats" right?

Unsupervised offshore detention camps are sure to always end well.

Nuclear Spy
Jun 10, 2008

feeling under?
Nintendo

quote:

YOUNG Australians need to stop playing Nintendo games and roaming the streets at night and instead get themselves a job, according to a federal Liberal MP.

Backbencher Ewen Jones has defended the Abbott government’s proposal to make young people wait six months for the dole.

That’s despite his comments coming on the back of a parliamentary committee finding the policy isn’t compatible with Australia’s human rights obligations.

A report from the Joint Committee on Human Rights said “the committee considers that the measure is incompatible with the right to social security and the right to an adequate standard of living”.

But this morning Mr Jones said the Coalition’s plan is “perfectly reasonable”.

“You either earn, learn or work,” the member for Hebert told reporters in Canberra.

“If you are in the game, that’s fantastic.

“If you’re not in the game we’ve got to make it as easy as possible for you to get into the game, by turning up for work for the dole programs so you’re not sitting at home awake from 10 o’clock at night to 6 o’clock in the morning playing bloody Nintendo or whatever people do, or roaming the streets.

“What they’ve got to be doing is getting up in the morning going to work, or going to college, getting those qualifications.

“We can’t let people isolate themselves.”

“Is it better to have someone earning and learning?” he asked.

“(Or) is it better to say to them, there’s your dole, go home eat Cheezels, get on the Xbox?”

Mr Jones was quickly criticised for his comments, with the Shadow Treasurer Chris Bowen telling reporters that “demonising people and making cheap pot shots at people is not good public policy”.

Labor MP Kelvin Thomson said the proposal was a “recipe for misery and hardship” and could lead to crime, prostitution and drug problems.

Greens MP Adam Bandt said “parliamentarians who think life on the dole is easy street should give it a go themselves”.

“If he seriously thinks that unemployed people in this country are doing it easy he is more out of touch than I thought.”

In his response to the Joint Committee on Human Rights, Social Services Minister Kevin Andrews talked up the benefits of making young people wait six months.

“This measure seeks to address youth unemployment by encouraging young people to accept jobs rather than relying on income support at risk of becoming disengaged- both socially and economically,” he said.

But the committee wasn’t satisfied.

“However, the response does not provide any further information as to how young people are to sustain themselves during a six-month period without social security,” it said.

Chris Bowen said the report was an “embarrassment for the government”.

“You’ve got a Liberal chair of a committee saying a Liberal piece of legislation breaches Australia’s international obligations.

“But of course the most concerning thing about this piece of policy is that it is designed deliberately to create an underclass in Australia.”

The Abbott government is still facing an uphill battle to negotiate its proposed changes through the Senate, with Labor, the Greens and the Palmer United Party all opposing the measure.

Wrestlepig
Feb 25, 2011

my mum says im cool

Toilet Rascal

webmeister posted:

Stopped clock etc

Or instead of spending a day in a costume you could talk to a muslim lady like a sensible person.

There are some serious contortions in attempting to keep minority voices out of the media.

Ian Winthorpe III
Dec 5, 2013

gays, fatties and women are the main funny things in life. Fuck those lefty tumblrfuck fags, I'll laugh at poofs and abbos if I want to

chaos rhames posted:

There are some serious contortions in attempting to keep minority voices out of the media.

I'll say, I can't even remember the last time a Sikh or Buddhist representative was given airtime to address concerns about terrorist recruitment and fundraising in their communities.

Anidav
Feb 25, 2010

ahhh fuck its the rats again
Maybe that Liberal MP is right, I should stop being social and commit my entire life to working in bad conditions.

webmeister
Jan 31, 2007

The answer is, mate, because I want to do you slowly. There has to be a bit of sport in this for all of us. In the psychological battle stakes, we are stripped down and ready to go. I want to see those ashen-faced performances; I want more of them. I want to be encouraged. I want to see you squirm.

Anidav posted:

Maybe that Liberal MP is right, I should stop being social and commit my entire life to working in bad conditions.

To the mines with you!

drunkill
Sep 25, 2007

me @ ur posting
Fallen Rib

SynthOrange posted:

Speaking of Vic, TERROR RAIDS going on this morning, so i guess thats the last post from me.

As long as you are not on the FBI watchlist you should be fine.


FBI gave the AFP targets, according to the press conference.

Seagull
Oct 9, 2012

give me a chip

I'm annihilated.

hooman
Oct 11, 2007

This guy seems legit.
Fun Shoe
Since I have a job am I allowed to eat cheezles and play xbox? Or should I be getting a second job, or more degrees... help me LNP, only you can instruct my glorious capitalist future. I want to lift not lean.

Seagull
Oct 9, 2012

give me a chip
So what does he mean by "earn, learn or work"? Are people meant to work even if they won't earn from it?

Doctor Spaceman
Jul 6, 2010

"Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."

Seagull posted:

So what does he mean by "earn, learn or work"? Are people meant to work even if they won't earn from it?

Unpaid internships.

Ask the GBS thread.

webmeister
Jan 31, 2007

The answer is, mate, because I want to do you slowly. There has to be a bit of sport in this for all of us. In the psychological battle stakes, we are stripped down and ready to go. I want to see those ashen-faced performances; I want more of them. I want to be encouraged. I want to see you squirm.
^^ :argh:

Seagull posted:

So what does he mean by "earn, learn or work"? Are people meant to work even if they won't earn from it?

U***** I*********

Skellybones
May 31, 2011




Fun Shoe

Seagull posted:

So what does he mean by "earn, learn or work"? Are people meant to work even if they won't earn from it?

What do you think?

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aejix
Sep 18, 2007

It's about finding that next group of core players we can win with in the next 6, 8, 10 years. Let's face it, it's hard for 20-, 21-, 22-year-olds to lead an NHL team. Look at the playoffs.

That quote is from fucking 2018. Fuck you Jim
Pillbug
He means that you need to earn your handouts from the government by being born into the right/white family, nothing to do with actually working for it

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