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Hutter: Feb 16, 2011; It's been giving me nightmares.

I repeat. I named no of my nations after puns and are therefore an infinitely better person then Wiz. :colbert:

# ? Sep 29, 2014 23:43

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Rogue0071: Dec 8, 2009; Grey Hunter's next target.

Other things of note: the US Caliphate

# ? Sep 29, 2014 23:49

bUm: Jan 11, 2011

Vernii posted:

Has anyone else had this happen before? I didn't know it could.

Yup, in my Brazil (HoD, unmodded as well) game. It was convenient for me: I took a state from Venezuela, Gran Colombian Nationalists took over within months, I declared war on them and took a state, Venezuelan Nationalists took over, I sphered OPM Gran Columbia, and (if I pick up the game again) am poised to take the last full state I can out of Venezuela without having to hassle with the high-infamy annexation. Pretty funny.

Reveilled posted:

I think the most telling indicator that these early access products are a marketing ploy are just how many of them want you to pay more for the privilege of playing the game sooner than others. I've seen early access products that were in an alpha state costing $100 for access. That's both insane and disgusting, especially in view of how this whole premise was essentially started with Minecraft, which cost me �5 when I bought it pre-alpha, a quarter of its final price.

I'm going to assume you're talking about EQ: Landmark in which case they were extremely clear it was not going to be a playtest and even refunded the full $100 for people who bought in and were upset that they were illiterate and didn't know that Alpha access should only be bought only by people who literally wanted to help design the game (aka suggest/refine features early enough in development for them to actually be implemented as a core piece of the design).

It was stated clearly long before packages even went on sale that it'd be F2P on release; if you bought in early, you ought to have known what you were doing on that knowledge alone since it would be $0 if you waited.*

* Discussion already inundated by :qqsay:

in the Landmark thread and I only mention it here because it's a totally false example of screwing people over with Early Access (unlike Valve/Steam letting Early Access stuff run rampant) since they were very upfront about it if you took even a half step back before throwing down $100 because "woo Everquest!" and/or "woo Minecraft!"

Drone posted:

Edit: oh God I can't resist posting ParadoxForums_txt.

quote:
It looks like a game for 5 yr-olds. The design is really bad for a ww2 sim/game. 0 immersion. They could have simply made a good looking map based off German military map of country specific military map. Like when you play as Britain you would get the map as if you are really looking at real British map and planning the war. Now you have some plastic looking washed out sandbox (real sandbox) looking map.

Isn't there basically guaranteed to be a realistic-looking-map mod shortly after release? I remember there was one for EU3 that MM absorbed that I didn't like at all and ended up removing the map component. :spergin:

forbid a game look clean and playable because only children's games ~~are~~ try to be user friendly.

Also, it's adorable that he thinks it'd be worth the dev time to implement different maps for every power.

# ? Sep 29, 2014 23:51

Ofaloaf: Feb 15, 2013

That game was just a cascade of bad choices wasn't it

# ? Sep 29, 2014 23:51

GenderSelectScreen: Mar 7, 2010; I DON'T KNOW EITHER DON'T ASK ME; College Slice

Rogue0071 posted:

Other things of note: the US Caliphate

Oh god, the province names. New Yorkshire. No Sexed.

# ? Sep 29, 2014 23:53

Pornographic Memory: Dec 17, 2008

but seriously how can you not love Allahfornia?

# ? Sep 30, 2014 00:02

Wiz: May 16, 2004; Nap Ghost

Pornographic Memory posted:

but seriously how can you not love Allahfornia?

Should've been Caliphornia but I thought of it too late.

# ? Sep 30, 2014 00:02

I AM BRAWW: Jul 18, 2014

Regarding CK2, the tutorial kind of sucks and is annoying with the different levels of stuff. Is there any other quick guide anyone would recommend?

# ? Sep 30, 2014 00:04

bUm: Jan 11, 2011

People usually recommend reading CK2 LPs. I'm sure someone'll link drop the go-to one soon if you don't find one you like.

Hutter posted:

I repeat. I named no of my nations after puns and are therefore an infinitely better person then Wiz.

The puns are beautiful. It is Wiz that is the infinitely better person.

Wiz posted:

Caliphornia

# ? Sep 30, 2014 00:06

Rogue0071: Dec 8, 2009; Grey Hunter's next target.

Note that none of this stops Wiz from getting mad at me for telling puns in the Skype calls for the games.

# ? Sep 30, 2014 00:09

Ferrosol: Nov 8, 2010; Notorious J.A.M

Wiz posted:

Should've been Caliphornia but I thought of it too late.

Don't forget Allahbama as well next time!

# ? Sep 30, 2014 00:13

Rogue0071: Dec 8, 2009; Grey Hunter's next target.

He named the province of Alabama that.

# ? Sep 30, 2014 00:16

Gay Horney: Feb 10, 2013; by Reene

VerdantSquire posted:

Absolutely, its really crazy some-

Yeah, that's the worst thing I've ever heard today. It's such a blatant abuse of the whole "Just take my money" mindset that I'm surprised it's not illegal. Its just a horrible way of doing business, and that's not even mentioning the affects it has on the mentality of some development teams. I don't want to go into it because this whole thing is already pretty off-topic, but there is a reason why I said that I'm happy paradox doesn't do early access.

If you sell a game for $60 but some people would have paid $100 for the game you're leaving money on the table. Having devoted fans of a series show their support by paying to play it early is not at all a horrible way of doing business and saying it should be illegal seems insane. I would pay $20 to play the new EU4 expansion today instead of waiting until whenever it comes out, and if a dev or publisher wants to offer that then more power to them. Nobody's making people pay $100 for a video game and I agree that it's totally unreasonable and not something you or I would ever pay, but just because we don't want to pay doesn't mean the option shouldn't exist.

Edit--oh this was a page ago

Gay Horney fucked around with this message at 00:21 on Sep 30, 2014

# ? Sep 30, 2014 00:18

YF-23: Feb 17, 2011; My god, it's full of cat!

Sharzak posted:

If you sell a game for $60 but some people would have paid $100 for the game you're leaving money on the table. Having devoted fans of a series show their support by paying to play it early is not at all a horrible way of doing business and saying it should be illegal seems insane. I would pay $20 to play the new EU4 expansion today instead of waiting until whenever it comes out, and if a dev or publisher wants to offer that then more power to them. Nobody's making people pay $100 for a video game and I agree that it's totally unreasonable and not something you or I would ever pay, but just because we don't want to pay doesn't mean the option shouldn't exist.

Edit--oh this was a page ago

There's very good consumer protection reasons to want to not permit early access. The developer/publisher should be expected to release a complete game and early access leaves open the possibility to skirt around that by delivering an incomplete game with no guarantee that the finished product will be delivered in a timely and competent manner.

# ? Sep 30, 2014 00:30

KOGAHAZAN!!: Apr 29, 2013; a miserable failure as a person

an incredible success as a magical murder spider

bUm posted:

Isn't there basically guaranteed to be a realistic-looking-map mod shortly after release? I remember there was one for EU3 that MM absorbed that I didn't like at all and ended up removing the map component. forbid a game look clean and playable because only children's games ~~are~~ try to be user friendly.

What, you mean TOT? Or Strannik's HDM?

You need to go back and refresh yourself on just what vanilla EU3 looked like before DW, if you don't think they were a major step up.

Seriously, compare this lumpy plasticine poo poo:

to this:

or this:

# ? Sep 30, 2014 00:38

The Chad Jihad: Feb 24, 2007

I think my proudest EU3 memory was freeing Ireland, Wales, Scotland, and then England from the United Kingdom. Those UK holdouts around Derry really took to the idea I guess

(also am I crazy that I thought of this thread when I heard this on the radio)

quote:

"This great discovery doesn't get us out of the crisis, because if you don't have money, what are you going to do?" he says. "But it shows one more time that Macedonia is here, OK? Not up there with the Slavs."

# ? Sep 30, 2014 00:38

Sio: Jan 20, 2007; better red than dead

Wiz posted:

Should've been Caliphornia but I thought of it too late.

Yeah. Funny thing, but via Arabic/Spanish language exchange, I think this might be the actual origin of California as a placename.

# ? Sep 30, 2014 01:13

sniper4625: Sep 26, 2009; Loyal to the hEnd

Rogue0071 posted:

Note that none of this stops Wiz from getting mad at me for telling puns in the Skype calls for the games.

This is not limited to wiz, nor to the game-focused calls.

# ? Sep 30, 2014 01:17

bUm: Jan 11, 2011

Autonomous Monster posted:

You need to go back and refresh yourself on just what vanilla EU3 looked like before DW, if you don't think they were a major step up.

Seriously, compare this lumpy plasticine poo poo:

to this:

or this:

Looks like MM used the first one. The "lumpy plasticine poo poo" wasn't good compared to later Paradox stuff, but I preferred it to faux-parchment. :shrug:

Also, compared to the competition at the time of CK:DV, Ricky, and HoI2, vanilla EU3 looked pretty good to me.

The second one looks nice. I would've stuck with that since it seems like a nice compromise between overly stylized and "lumpy plasticine poo poo." In fact, I think certain versions of MM did use the second one and I did stick with it.

# ? Sep 30, 2014 01:24

BBJoey: Oct 31, 2012

Wiz posted:

Should've been Caliphornia but I thought of it too late.

Wiz please add Caliphornia (and all your other puns) to Granada's official list of possible colony names in-game. :allears:

# ? Sep 30, 2014 01:37

PleasingFungus: Oct 10, 2012; idiot asshole bitch who should fuck off

Rogue0071 posted:

Just finished an MP game with Wiz, YF-23, Hutterson, and Viscardus, where we all played Muslim powers with the goal of conquering Europe. Some end game screenshots:

I knew it

# ? Sep 30, 2014 01:38

Reveilled: Apr 19, 2007; Take up your rifles

bUm posted:

I'm going to assume you're talking about EQ: Landmark in which case they were extremely clear it was not going to be a playtest and even refunded the full $100 for people who bought in and were upset that they were illiterate and didn't know that Alpha access should only be bought only by people who literally wanted to help design the game (aka suggest/refine features early enough in development for them to actually be implemented as a core piece of the design).

It was stated clearly long before packages even went on sale that it'd be F2P on release; if you bought in early, you ought to have known what you were doing on that knowledge alone since it would be $0 if you waited.*

* Discussion already inundated by in the Landmark thread and I only mention it here because it's a totally false example of screwing people over with Early Access (unlike Valve/Steam letting Early Access stuff run rampant) since they were very upfront about it if you took even a half step back before throwing down $100 because "woo Everquest!" and/or "woo Minecraft!"

I wasn't talking about Landmark, your post was literally the first time I'd ever heard about this. :shobon:

Further discussion really ought to go in the Early Access thread or the steam thread, though.

# ? Sep 30, 2014 01:38

Rogue0071: Dec 8, 2009; Grey Hunter's next target.

PleasingFungus posted:

I knew it

I named that province.

# ? Sep 30, 2014 02:24

Farecoal: Oct 15, 2011; There he go

bUm posted:

Looks like MM used the first one. The "lumpy plasticine poo poo" wasn't good compared to later Paradox stuff, but I preferred it to faux-parchment. Also, compared to the competition at the time of CK:DV, Ricky, and HoI2, vanilla EU3 looked pretty good to me.

The second one looks nice. I would've stuck with that since it seems like a nice compromise between overly stylized and "lumpy plasticine poo poo." In fact, I think certain versions of MM did use the second one and I did stick with it.

At least those games had an art style. I also like how you put lumpy plasticine poo poo in quotes

# ? Sep 30, 2014 03:12

THE LESBIATHAN: Jan 22, 2011; The name Daria was already taken.

Rogue0071 posted:

Note that none of this stops Wiz from getting mad at me for telling puns in the Skype calls for the games.

Everyone gets mad at your puns in calls, that's why I stopped playing CK2 with you.

# ? Sep 30, 2014 03:25

Enjoy: Apr 18, 2009

Gantolandon posted:

I'd drop the idea of ideology-based Upper House entirely. Its entire premise was that it doesn't represent an actual Senate, but the will of the elites to reform the country. It actually does that at Appointed - because the only people who get the representation in the Upper House are Noblemen and Aristocrats. Everything goes to poo poo after setting the UH to Population - Joe the Coal Miner and gets the same influence in state politics as John D. Rockefeller.

The UH could be dominated by groups of interest instead - military, bureaucracy, business, landowners and populists. Only the latter would be ideology-based, supporting or opposing reforms as per seats in parliament. The rest would behave according to their class interest - the bureaucracy would like social reforms and be kinda indifferent to political ones, while the business would reluctantly support political reforms and absolutely oppose social ones. They would gain and lose dominance according to the already passed reforms and party politics - for example, the military would thrive in Jingoism and rapidly lose ground in Pacifism. If one of the establishment groups is powerful enough, they could coup the country and set up a government they like the most.

Populists instead would gain ground through social movements and unrest. Mass protests, strikes and other political actions, while disrupting the order in the country, would make them stronger and let the player actually pass the reforms. Long-term domination by populists, however, would lead to a serious clusterfuck - think Jacobin or Bolshevik purges, for example.

tldr: Make Upper House about establishment vs populism, instead of ideologies.

That sounds drat cool

# ? Sep 30, 2014 03:36

MatchaZed: Feb 14, 2010; We Can Do It!

Hitlers Gay Secret posted:

Uuuuuuuuuuggggggggggggggh

Not as bad as the $$$CASH4GOLDCOAST$$$.

Even Wiz said I shouldn't ever do province names.

# ? Sep 30, 2014 05:12

A Buttery Pastry: Sep 4, 2011; Delicious and Informative!

bUm posted:

Isn't there basically guaranteed to be a realistic-looking-map mod shortly after release? I remember there was one for EU3 that MM absorbed that I didn't like at all and ended up removing the map component. forbid a game look clean and playable because only children's games ~~are~~ try to be user friendly.

The new shaders and poo poo used in Paradox games post-Divine Wind seriously screw with the ability to make maps in that style. You can of course make a better looking map, but you're still stuck with the overall style of the vanilla map. Would be pretty nice if the game came with two styles, one where the map represents the real world, and one where it represents a map. Alternatively, this could be DLC.

# ? Sep 30, 2014 06:10

cool new Metroid game: Oct 7, 2009; hail satan

the eu3 map up till divine wind looked like poo poo

# ? Sep 30, 2014 10:44

Decrepus: May 21, 2008; In the end, his dominion did not touch a single poster.

In HoI3 is it possible to edit ship names? I was just trying to name some battleships but was only changing the unit name, and when merging units, was lost. I want to name this 1st BB "Yamato" just for the hell of it, and will not lay down a SHBB for obvious reasons to get the name.

e: Also I have played this game on and off for years and should know this, but will a single division always fit into combat without combat-reinforcement? So it would always benefit me to build a square division over a triangle division except for supply throughput constraints?

Decrepus fucked around with this message at 16:18 on Sep 30, 2014

# ? Sep 30, 2014 16:09

Hefty Leftist: Jun 26, 2011; "You know how vodka or whiskey are distilled multiple times to taste good? It's the same with shit. After being digested for the third time shit starts to taste reeeeeeaaaally yummy."

grand_Turk posted:

Hardly. Considering such major cities like Kirkuk and Mosul have been Turkish cities for almost a millennium the region shown as Kurdistan in your map can hardly be regarded as Kurdistan having Kurdish culture as a whole. If it were CK2 you could ask much more but things you want are not feasible to add into the game due to time frame of EU4. Not impossible either though. It might be a formable nation with Turkish as accepted culture.

LONG LIVE ATATURK

# ? Sep 30, 2014 16:34

Mr Luxury Yacht: Apr 16, 2012

Someone should make an EU4: Paradox Forums mod that takes into account every crazy rambling nationalist claim. All of them.

Non-stop wars between Great Old Bulgaria and Glorious ~~Serbia~~ The Fourth Rome because everyone has cores on literally everyone.

# ? Sep 30, 2014 16:43

Drone: Aug 22, 2003; Incredible machine

Mr Luxury Yacht posted:

Someone should make an EU4: Paradox Forums mod that takes into account every crazy rambling nationalist claim. All of them.

Non-stop wars between Great Old Bulgaria and Glorious ~~Serbia~~ The Fourth Rome because everyone has cores on literally everyone.

I just pretend that Steppe Wolf is the Paradox Forums Mod.

# ? Sep 30, 2014 16:47

Dr. Tough: Oct 22, 2007

ThePutty posted:

LONG LIVE ATATURK

Man, that thread is a gold mine

quote:

This is a strategy game about history. If you will not obey to history. You can go and play Risk. That is for you.

edit: Turkish nationalists, assemble!

# ? Sep 30, 2014 16:48

Hefty Leftist: Jun 26, 2011; "You know how vodka or whiskey are distilled multiple times to taste good? It's the same with shit. After being digested for the third time shit starts to taste reeeeeeaaaally yummy."

grand_Turk posted:

No. Free electricity-no electric bill, steady health care delivery, and huge investments made in last ten years. No reason to yearn for independence. Let alone the firm relations between majority of Kurds and Turks caused by religious unity.

WE GAVE SO MUCH TO THE KURDS

WE DON'T IMPRISON THEM AND THE JOURNALISTS WHO REPORT ON THEM OR BAN THEIR LANGUAGE AND SYMBOLS HONEST

# ? Sep 30, 2014 16:51

Charlz Guybon: Nov 16, 2010

Is there a good Let's Play for Victoria II: Heart of Darkness, I haven't played this in a good three years (before House Divided) and I've forgot how complicated it was. I need to figure out how to manage the economy.

# ? Sep 30, 2014 16:54

Koesj: Aug 3, 2003

Decrepus posted:

In HoI3 is it possible to edit ship names? I was just trying to name some battleships but was only changing the unit name, and when merging units, was lost. I want to name this 1st BB "Yamato" just for the hell of it, and will not lay down a SHBB for obvious reasons to get the name.

You can't and it's not even moddable AFAIK.

quote:

e: Also I have played this game on and off for years and should know this, but will a single division always fit into combat without combat-reinforcement? So it would always benefit me to build a square division over a triangle division except for supply throughput constraints?

I don't see why a single division shouldn't always engage in some form of combat, at least as far as I have seen.

It's not even possible to build a division with more than 10 width (5 pre-spearhead doctrine (L/H-)Armoured Brigades in one Division, for whatever good that'd do) and Encirclement/Tactical Withdrawal will only impact new forces coming in.

Pentomic divisions 4 Lyfe. Also, add combat brigades to HQs and watch your leaders' experience go up up up.

e:

Charlz Guybon posted:

Is there a good Let's Play for Victoria II: Heart of Darkness, I haven't played this in a good three years (before House Divided) and I've forgot how complicated it was. I need to figure out how to manage the economy.

Kersch's HoD LP? I've started just now in order to get to grips with my fancy new Vicky II steam install :ohdear:

# ? Sep 30, 2014 16:54

Sky Shadowing: Feb 13, 2012; At least we're not the Thalmor (yet)

Dr. Tough posted:

Man, that thread is a gold mine

Holy gently caress :stare:

quote:

If we're making countries for civilian-killing terrorists who actively resist and threaten to derail every diplomatic move made so far, why not add ISIS as well? At least they act like a country instead of being freeloaders who riot at any given chance.

Stop trying to make your foolish dreams sound like reality. Kurdistan never was, and never will be a country.

# ? Sep 30, 2014 16:56

Randarkman: Jul 18, 2011

Charlz Guybon posted:

Is there a good Let's Play for Victoria II: Heart of Darkness, I haven't played this in a good three years (before House Divided) and I've forgot how complicated it was. I need to figure out how to manage the economy.

http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3595089&userid=0&perpage=40&pagenumber=1

This one might do

# ? Sep 30, 2014 16:57

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