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howe_sam posted:Considering how pissy Simmons has been towards BR in the past that would be hilarious. Simmons isn't staying with espn out of loyalty, their pockets are much, much deeper than anyone else's. Add to that the fact that he is substantially less valuable to networks without NBA rights (fox/nbc) or without a full time sports platform (tnt) and it is clear why espn felt they could suspend him 3 weeks without fear of losing him. This isn't the first, or even 5th, time that Simmons grumbles about the higher ups at espn. And like every other time he will have to swallow his tongue and accept the truckload of money espn pays him. Hell, he has executive producer credits in all episodes of 30 for 30, in all its variations (original, "presents," shorts). Given DVD sales, the netflix deal, international broadcast and so on, that alone probably pays him more than almost every other major online columnist there is.
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joepinetree posted:Hell, he has executive producer credits in all episodes of 30 for 30, in all its variations (original, "presents," shorts). How did he work that deal out, anyway?
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Sep 30, 2014 21:13
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Niwrad posted:NBCSN doesn't know what they are doing and has practically no online presence. His podcast with Michelle Beadle actually mentioned that and how clueless NBC was. Has anyone left ESPN for these burgeoning platforms and been successful? I know there was talk of FS1 and NBCSN being competition for ESPN someday, but they're embarrassing at this point and would be a place he'd go to have his career die. Josh Elliott who was former ESPN left GMA for NBCSN and it was a bit of a to do in the broadcast world. NBC has had a lot of high level turnover recently and are getting their poo poo together. I can't stress enough that NBC Sports is almost entirely Olympics and SNF dominated. The Olympics are really such a huge get for them ratings-wise that the build their entire network strategy around them.
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DJExile posted:How did he work that deal out, anyway? "producer" in TV is like "EP" in movies, it's a bone that can be tossed to most anyone.
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Sep 30, 2014 21:16
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Jay Carney posted:"producer" in TV is like "EP" in movies, it's a bone that can be tossed to most anyone. Ah, gotcha. I take it it's more because he's helping promote/bankroll/etc the shows?
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joepinetree posted:Simmons isn't staying with espn out of loyalty, their pockets are much, much deeper than anyone else's. Add to that the fact that he is substantially less valuable to networks without NBA rights (fox/nbc) or without a full time sports platform (tnt) and it is clear why espn felt they could suspend him 3 weeks without fear of losing him. This isn't the first, or even 5th, time that Simmons grumbles about the higher ups at espn. And like every other time he will have to swallow his tongue and accept the truckload of money espn pays him. Hell, he has executive producer credits in all episodes of 30 for 30, in all its variations (original, "presents," shorts). Given DVD sales, the netflix deal, international broadcast and so on, that alone probably pays him more than almost every other major online columnist there is. New president of DATG HATES paying out the nose for talent and espn views 30 for 30 and grantland as ESPN properies that aren't driven by simmons (they may be very wrong about this) Other networks can and will pay more if only to hurt ESPN, but I'm not sure how much pay actually matters to him and he loves attention.
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DJExile posted:Ah, gotcha. I take it it's more because he's helping promote/bankroll/etc the shows? Sorta. It's more a matter of 30 for 30 being his "property" and as such he is producer/EP as much as credits require.
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Jay Carney posted:Sorta. It's more a matter of 30 for 30 being his "property" and as such he is producer/EP as much as credits require. Neat, I somehow never knew that.
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Simmons was really important in coming up with the original 30 for 30 ideas and structure and he was one of their biggest pitchmen in getting it made. I dunno how much he has to do with it now, but he can claim a lot of success it getting it made.
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The entire idea for 30 for 30 was Simmons' and started in an email chain IIRC
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I don't know if it was him or Schell who came up with the orginal idea, but he was definitely involved in the planning stages and was the guy who pushed it hard to the ESPN brass (he's also the guy who came up with the name as I recall, although that's sort of nonsensical at this point). It's not just a bullshit credit, he was a huge part of making 30 for 30 what it is. The project likely never happens without him.
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Jay Carney posted:"producer" in TV is like "EP" in movies, it's a bone that can be tossed to most anyone. I would be very, very surprised if he wasn't able to negotiate for royalties when he struck the deal, especially since 30 for 30 became tied to grantland. Jay Carney posted:New president of DATG HATES paying out the nose for talent and espn views 30 for 30 and grantland as ESPN properies that aren't driven by simmons (they may be very wrong about this) This entire discussion is entirely hypothetical. I am sure that at some point espn would simply let him go instead of matching any offers he had, but that has not happened yet and I doubt it will for reasons previously discussed. ESPN has both the deepest pockets and the most to benefit from him, and vice versa. The whole thing with him loving attention more than money comes up every time this happens, but once again, this is far from the first time this has happened. When he got into it with WEEI, Olberman, when they canceled his podcast with Obama, forced the porn star out of his fantasy league, and so on, people would say that he'd definitely leave. And then he'd come back and agree to an even bigger deal with an even bigger platform.
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joepinetree posted:This entire discussion is entirely hypothetical. I am sure that at some point espn would simply let him go instead of matching any offers he had, but that has not happened yet and I doubt it will for reasons previously discussed. ESPN has both the deepest pockets and the most to benefit from him, and vice versa. The whole thing with him loving attention more than money comes up every time this happens, but once again, this is far from the first time this has happened. When he got into it with WEEI, Olberman, when they canceled his podcast with Obama, forced the porn star out of his fantasy league, and so on, people would say that he'd definitely leave. And then he'd come back and agree to an even bigger deal with an even bigger platform.
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Sep 30, 2014 23:12
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At this point for Simmons, it has to be more about being able to do "his thing" (Grantland, 30 for 30, whatever dumb poo poo he does) than the money. If one of the other networks offers him a better opportunity to do his thing with similar reach, I doubt the money or lack thereof would stop him.
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Why does anyone tell Jalen Rose anything other than info they want leaked?
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From the MLB N/V Thread:  Steve Simmons is a sports journalist for the Toronto Sun.
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He's also a huge turd who deserved every bit of that smackdown
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The Royals made a trade with Toronto before the non-waiver deadline. It was just a poo poo trade with no big names is all.
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I'm a sucker for fan in the moment type stories like the piece Rany just wrote about last night's game, especially when they involve a long-suffering team win at something.
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http://www.businessinsider.com/gossip-bill-simmons-wants-out-of-espn-2014-10 Straight up rumor mongering, but I am surprised Simmons "only" gets $3 Mil a year for such a visible guy. He might be at his best striking off on his own.
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soggybagel posted:The burrito thing on 538 was bizarre and insane to think they were flying people across the country to try burritos. Necroing this... I thought the burrito problem was Silver's dumbass tweets about being fed a burrito in jail, all while the Ferguson poo poo was at a fever pitch?
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joshtothemaxx posted:Necroing this... I thought the burrito problem was Silver's dumbass tweets about being fed a burrito in jail, all while the Ferguson poo poo was at a fever pitch? No the burrito thing was an ill-conceived idea that tried to apply a scientific approach to burritos and also spent money flying a writer around eating burritos Like 538 seems like they're out of ideas
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Oct 4, 2014 03:23
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Nate Silver has two different burrito gaffes.
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Lockback posted:http://www.businessinsider.com/gossip-bill-simmons-wants-out-of-espn-2014-10 Google says Wolf Blitzer makes $2 million a year and I feel pretty confident he's a lot more visible than Bill Simmons. $3 million is a lot of money, I'm shocked a more-or-less only internet journalist is bringing in 7 figures. Speaking strictly as a member of the target demographic I started reading Grantland because he was attached to it early on but if he left I wouldn't follow him. If he took the Grantland brand with him I might follow for Zach Lowe and the guy who writes about wrestling. I used to really look forward to Simmons's columns but they're solipsistic in-joke word salads now and I can't see why his personal brand would be worth that much to anybody. He's bad on TV and no longer an interesting writer.
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I want to be completely honest, I barely know who Bill Simmons is. I'm a huge sports fan, but don't really follow the NBA or watch or read much from ESPN except watching live sports. The only thing I've probably even consumed that he was involved with is 30 for 30. I really think some of you are overestimating his fame and popularity. My guess is most people over like 40 have no idea who he is and most casual sports fans have no idea who he is. I believe you all when you say what a big deal he is and I bet amongst people that follow the NBA that he is a household name.
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Mahoning posted:I want to be completely honest, I barely know who Bill Simmons is. I'm a huge sports fan, but don't really follow the NBA or watch or read much from ESPN except watching live sports. The only thing I've probably even consumed that he was involved with is 30 for 30. Even while suspended Bill Simmons's picture is on the front page of espn.com.
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Politicalrancor posted:have you heard of Grantland? Yes I've heard of it but I don't read it. Listen I'm not trying to say that he's not a successful or good sportswriter but I am saying that he's not as famous as people think he is. No one's dad knows or care who Bill Simmons is. Not saying that means much, just that people are overestimating his fame.
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I feel like "someone's dad" might be a bread and butter demographic for Simmons actually
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My dad has no idea who Jay-Z is. Is he not that famous either?
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Bill Simmons made his name by writing the daddest of dad blogs. I honestly bet that's his biggest audience.
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Benne posted:Bill Simmons made his name by writing the daddest of dad blogs. I honestly bet that's his biggest audience.
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Mahoning posted:Yes I've heard of it but I don't read it. Peoples' dads rarely fit into the 18-49 demographic which is the only thing anyone cares about. Except the dads of lil baby dudes.
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Tokyo Sex Whale posted:Google says Wolf Blitzer makes $2 million a year and I feel pretty confident he's a lot more visible than Bill Simmons. $3 million is a lot of money, I'm shocked a more-or-less only internet journalist is bringing in 7 figures. If he leaves, I hope he takes ESPN Whitlock with him so he can be Fox Sports Whitlock again. ESPN Whitlock sucks
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xbilkis posted:I feel like "someone's dad" might be a bread and butter demographic for Simmons actually My stepdad loves him but then again my stepdad goes to Yes concerts and bought a convertible at 50 so yes dad demographic confirmed.
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Lockback posted:http://www.businessinsider.com/gossip-bill-simmons-wants-out-of-espn-2014-10 Like how this is a bullet point list of just straight rumors but I do know this is not true: "One digital media CEO said Grantland writers were completely shielded from traffic data and that there was little pressure on them to attract new readers." They don't push the traffic metrics on the writers but the numbers are available and most of the writers look at them. Only a suit would think the buzzfeed/gawker clickbait style would mesh with longform journalism (buzzfeed has been trying the hell out of it with ok success) He also most likely won't go to Yahoo bc ABC and Yahoo are partnered, but who knows.
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Ribsauce posted:He is way more than an "internet journalist" now. He was one of the main creators of 30 for 30, he is the the main guy on their NBA Pre/Post shows, he is the executive editor of Grantland, his podcast is the number 1 sports podcast, umm, he probably does other stuff I forgot. His columns are probably the 3rd or 4th most important thing he does at this point in his career. i know most people hate him, but that is a lot of great contributions to sports media right there So what if he acts like a baby sometimes, every creative person does. Every version of Whitlock ever has sucked
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Declan MacManus posted:No the burrito thing was an ill-conceived idea that tried to apply a scientific approach to burritos and also spent money flying a writer around eating burritos I don't think they're out of ideas. As others said the political season is coming and thats where they make their hay. However, their still trying to figure out exactly what they want to do and I think its a mistake to do shorter pieces using smaller amounts of data. Granted, websites live and die by the churn of content but I think 538 would be better off taking more time and releasing less articles. But yeah, the burrito thing was stupid because you have one person flying around the country judging burritos. Food judgement is pretty subjective so the idea that they had hard quantifiable things they could numerically rate was stupid. And yeah the Silver Burrito story was loving dumb too. "One time I was arrested by cops and was confused. But then they chilled out and I got to eat my burrito in the cell and it was all good!"
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The Silver burrito story was so bizarre because it looked the whole way like it was going to end "if even i, an insanely dorky rich white guy, can be harassed by cops for asking a mild question, imagine what it's like to be a minority and/or poor" and then instead he just threw up his hands like "well, what a crazy world, right?" The 538 site will be useless until it releases Sex PECOTA.
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