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Dik Hz
Feb 22, 2004

Fun with Science

disheveled posted:

Cute guesses, but I'll put an end to the game. It's much simpler: I'm a grad student, and all of my income is a stipend off an NIH predoctoral fellowship. If you have direct funding from the feds, then it ends up not counting as wages because it's for "training." I'm required to pay income taxes on it, but I do not receive a W-2, no tax is withheld, and it does not qualify as earned income. One consequence of that is that I can not contribute to an IRA.

It has zero benefit to me, as far as I can tell... it is mostly a vehicle for universities to avoid FICA, I think. Other students in my program do end up receiving a W-2, because it depends on funding source.
Fun times. Speaking of bad with money, our grad school had a program wide training grant with the same set-up. Most of my fellow grad students did not report their stipend, and dodged taxes. As far as I know, none of them ever got caught, because the university intentionally blurs that income to avoid FICA. It's kinda funny how the only people who actually paid income taxes were the republicans in the class. You'd think it'd be the other way around.

Anyway, I'm not sure who's bad with money in this situation, but someone definitely is. Probably the university, right?

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slap me silly
Nov 1, 2009
Grimey Drawer

Dik Hz posted:

Anyway, I'm not sure who's bad with money in this situation, but someone definitely is. Probably the university, right?

Nah, it's either NIH or IRS, I'm not sure which though.

RIP Paul Walker
Feb 26, 2004

Just gonna leave this one here: http://portland.craigslist.org/clc/cto/4681667214.html

Note to self: do not take out a loan on an old s-class

slap me silly
Nov 1, 2009
Grimey Drawer
Well they may not be flush but their car sure is!

RIP Paul Walker
Feb 26, 2004

slap me silly posted:

Well they may not be flush but their car sure is!

It would be properly badass if it wasn't broken as gently caress.

JayKay
Sep 11, 2001

And you thought they were cute and cuddly.

CountOfNowhere posted:

Just gonna leave this one here: http://portland.craigslist.org/clc/cto/4681667214.html

Note to self: do not take out a loan on an old s-class

Isn't that the same or similar model that someone posted about earlier? The one where the guy bought it against advice and then documented years of repairs he completed ?

What could have been a financial disaster turned out to be OK since he was an idiot savant with repairs.

Dmitri-9
Nov 30, 2004

There's something really sexy about Scrooge McDuck. I love Uncle Scrooge.

HonorableTB posted:

Does anyone ever actually report illegal income? I can't imagine your big name drug dealers putting down "Hmm, I think I made $10 million this year off of murder and drug trafficking" and sending it in to the IRS.

I think sometimes people already under indictment will file just to stop the feds from piling more charges on.

RIP Paul Walker
Feb 26, 2004

JayKay posted:

Isn't that the same or similar model that someone posted about earlier? The one where the guy bought it against advice and then documented years of repairs he completed ?

What could have been a financial disaster turned out to be OK since he was an idiot savant with repairs.

Similar, this one on Craigslist is a bit older and significantly less baller - it's only a V8, not a twin turbo v12!

The part that cracks me up was the guy that bought it on credit and now has to sell for way more than its worth to pay off the loan. Not to mention his estimate of $1500 for parts and labor seems hilariously low.

The Door Frame
Dec 5, 2011

I don't know man everytime I go to the gym here there are like two huge dudes with raging high and tights snorting Nitro-tech off of each other's rock hard abs.
The resting on the wheels thing? Oh that's just this really cheap and simple fix. What? No, you won't have to pay my asking price once the car is yours to replace basically every suspension component, plus labor. I promise. I'm so trustworthy that there's already a lien on the car. Please give me your money

heated game moment
Oct 30, 2003

Lipstick Apathy

Blackjack2000 posted:



In 2008, after housing prices had already dropped substantially, I bought a SFH for about $194k. Zillow says it's now worth $141k and I still owe $170k (FHA loan, also bad with money). PITI is about $1350 (including outrageously expensive PMI) and it's currently rented out for $1500. So when you figure the income taxes on the $1500 it's a money loser even before maintenance is considered. In about 3 years, when PMI comes off, PITI will go down to about $1150, and assuming I can rent it out for $1550 or $1600 at that point, it will not be as much of a waste of money as much as a waste of time and leverage. Hopefully another two or three years after that I'll be right side up plus 6% and I can sell it.

Assuming you are in the US here, how is this costing you anything in income taxes if you are actually reporting it on Schedule E?

$1500 gross rents
less $1350 PITI
less depreciation of (($194,000/27.5)/12) of $588 a month
nets you a $438 loss per month for tax purposes with no other related expenses included, or assuming 25% marginal tax rate annual tax savings of $1,314.

Blackjack2000
Mar 29, 2010

Cyrezar posted:

Assuming you are in the US here, how is this costing you anything in income taxes if you are actually reporting it on Schedule E?

$1500 gross rents
less $1350 PITI
less depreciation of (($194,000/27.5)/12) of $588 a month
nets you a $438 loss per month for tax purposes with no other related expenses included, or assuming 25% marginal tax rate annual tax savings of $1,314.

I could be pedantic and point out that I can only depreciate the value of the structure(and not the land), which is some number less than 194,000/27.5, and also that I can't deduct the principal portion of PITI, but the truth is that I forgot that I was going to be deducting the structure this year, since I just shifted it from my residence to a rental. The upshot is that you're right, I'll be deducting more than the $1350 PITI, so it can't be a money loser. Still a bad deployment of capital, and I would propose, bad with money. Still a house worth $50k less than I paid for it. Makes me want to puke.

I would blow Dane Cook
Dec 26, 2008
Australian's are bad with money


quote:


More and more morbidly obese Australians are tapping into their superannuation reserves to foot the huge bills for life-prolonging weight-loss surgery.

In a trend that's only likely to grow and grow, tapping in to money meant for retirement has become a popular means of covering their medical costs for people seeking surgical help to drop their excess bulk – costs which can run to five figures.

It's an avenue taken by Sydney administration worker Fiona Wardrop, 32, who two years ago tipped the scales at 135 kilograms.

Going under the knife was a last resort option for the mother of three whose battle to keep off the kilos had been perennial.

"I've tried all my life, dieting and trying to eat healthy," she says. "My stomach was so expanded, nothing was going to work." After consulting an upper gastrointestinal surgeon, Wardrop opted for a sleeve gastrectomy. An irreversible procedure, it involves the surgical removal of a large portion of the stomach; reducing it to around a quarter of its original size.

Alternative procedures include the insertion of a laparoscopic adjustable gastric band, known as a lap band, around the top portion of the stomach to slow food consumption and gastric bypass surgery.

The procedures do not attract a Medicare rebate and costs vary between doctors and facilities. At Sydney's O Clinic, privately insured patients have out-of-pocket expenses of $5950 for their surgery and after-care package, while those paying their own way face a bill of around $21,000. Around 10 per cent of patients access superannuation to fund their treatment, according to O Clinic practice manager Sara Bowles.

The number of Australians undergoing weight loss surgery has soared in recent years – up from around 500 in 1998-99 to 17,000 in 2007-08, according to the Australian Institute of Health and Welfare's 2010 report on weight loss surgery in Australia.

Wardrop had no health insurance and says she was quoted around $10,000 to have her surgery through the public hospital system or $20,000 in a private facility.

Having no access to a sum of that size, she jumped at her surgeon's suggestion to apply for early access to her superannuation to cover the costs.

"I'd heard through the grapevine but didn't know how true it was – that you could do this," she says.

Applications for early release of superannuation on medical grounds must be approved by the Department of Human Services.

Applicants need to supply letters from their GP and specialist certifying that their condition is life threatening and provide proof that expenses cannot be met by other means, including savings.

Wardrop's was one of 5157 medical treatment and transport applications received by the Department in 2012-13. Of these, 3709 were approved, with an average payment per application of $10,255.

Given her family history of diabetes, cancer and hypertension, her case met the criteria, Wardrop says. Her $10,000 was released by her fund, First State, within two weeks of lodging the application and nine months after surgery she had dropped a whopping 81kg; bringing her weight down to just 57kg.

She subsequently dipped in again for a further $20,000 to cover a tummy tuck and breast implants; taking her super balance down to nil.

Well worth emptying the pot for, particularly given the decades she has remaining in the workforce to rebuild her retirement savings, Wardrop says: "I could have died in five years and now at least I've used the money and I've extended my life. It was worth it." An ongoing obesity epidemic appears to have resulted in more doctors recommending medical intervention for high risk individuals, according to Pauline Vamos, CEO of the Association of Superannuation Funds of Australia, the peak body for the sector.

She says she is comfortable robust procedures are in place to prevent the approval of early super claims for conditions which are not life threatening. "It's a detriment to society if this is being abused," Vamos says.

"Doctors do need to sign certificates and provide opinions. I hate to think that doctors would compromise their ethics [by pushing through illegitimate claims]."

Tucking in early
When it comes to superannuation, what goes in can't come out – except when funds are needed to prevent foreclosure on the mortgage on a principal residence, or in circumstances known as "specified grounds". These include:

Medical treatment for life threatening conditions or acute chronic pain for yourself or a dependant
Medical transport to access treatment
Modifications to the family home if you or a dependant become disabled

Cicero
Dec 17, 2003

Jumpjet, melta, jumpjet. Repeat for ten minutes or until victory is assured.

quote:

Applications for early release of superannuation on medical grounds must be approved by the Department of Human Services.

quote:

She subsequently dipped in again for a further $20,000 to cover a tummy tuck and breast implants
Wait what?

Anne Whateley
Feb 11, 2007
:unsmith: i like nice words
I don't know about the implants, but skin removal can actually be really medically necessary.

That said, I'm pretty appalled that Australia is apparently like "go gently caress yourself, you're on your own" about it. I thought it was the land of magic free healthcare. In comparison, in the US, my insurance would cover it (except for a copay) if it were medically necessary.

baquerd
Jul 2, 2007

by FactsAreUseless

Cicero posted:

Wait what?

Their doctors, who clearly have no interest but the patient's at heart, recommended this treatment. Do you really want a random government worker with no medical training denying people medical treatments? I'm guessing all the denials had to do with improperly filling out a form or similar.

BonerGhost
Mar 9, 2007

Oooh! I have one!

A couple weeks ago I roll into work to find we're short. Someone is missing her shift because she's stuck in town X some 3 hours away. She is "stuck" there because she doesn't have the money for the gas to get back. So my supervisor covers her gas, but she can't get back in time for her next shift because she can't drive at night. Because her car doesn't have working tail lights. And she can't get pulled over because she doesn't have a driver's license (no she does not have insurance either duh).

Today she had the day off to go see some stupid concert or some other retarded poo poo in town Y that is also about 3 hours out. No one knows how she got out there, since we don't get paid until this week and she drat sure doesn't have any money.

Moral of the story: carry as much loving uninsured motorist auto coverage as you can buy. These assholes are everywhere.

Haifisch
Nov 13, 2010

Objection! I object! That was... objectionable!



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NancyPants posted:

she can't get back in time for her next shift because she can't drive at night. Because her car doesn't have working tail lights.
What a brilliant strategy. "I can't afford* to fix this essential part of my car. I'll just commit to never, ever driving when lights are required. :downs:" Does she also ban herself from driving during rain and fog?

*But she mysteriously can afford to attend a concert. This girl sounds like a giant pile of bad priorities.

froglet
Nov 12, 2009

You see, the best way to Stop the Boats is a massive swarm of autonomous armed dogs. Strafing a few boats will stop the rest and save many lives in the long term.

You can't make an Omelet without breaking a few eggs. Vote Greens.

Anne Whateley posted:

I don't know about the implants, but skin removal can actually be really medically necessary.

That said, I'm pretty appalled that Australia is apparently like "go gently caress yourself, you're on your own" about it. I thought it was the land of magic free healthcare. In comparison, in the US, my insurance would cover it (except for a copay) if it were medically necessary.

The Australian health system doesn't necessarily go "gently caress you you're on your own". If you don't want to wait you can go private and get care quicker, but I was able to see a dietician and exercise physiologist for free after getting a referral from my GP.

I'm going to guess if she qualified for bariatric surgery she was looking at a wait of a few months/years and used her super to get the surgery privately.

BonerGhost
Mar 9, 2007

Haifisch posted:

What a brilliant strategy. "I can't afford* to fix this essential part of my car. I'll just commit to never, ever driving when lights are required. :downs:" Does she also ban herself from driving during rain and fog?

*But she mysteriously can afford to attend a concert. This girl sounds like a giant pile of bad priorities.

Technically her latest ex convict boyfriend probably got her out there and covered the stupid thing because her car is broken down right now but yes, obviously a mess in every way. She'll be out for a few days next week getting a hematoma in her arm fixed.

Her junky, uninsured, illegally operated car that she bought had a broken shift linkage, so in order to shift it out of park so she could endanger the rest of us and not just herself, she had to get UNDER the vehicle. You can see where this is going. Clearly she didn't because the loving thing ran her over.

The hematoma lingers from that incident several months ago. She and Medicaid are the sole providers for her two boys, so I guess if she fucks up bad enough hopefully the state makes sure her kids don't starve to death.

melon cat
Jan 21, 2010

Nap Ghost

NancyPants posted:

Moral of the story: carry as much loving uninsured motorist auto coverage as you can buy. These assholes are everywhere.
Ain't that the truth. And they aren't always driving around beat-up crapboxes. I was rear-ended in a parking lot by a woman who drove a shiny, new Range Rover. Surprise! She didn't have insurance. I was also witness to a horrendous rear-ending, whereas a young guy driving a Mustang was showing off to some high schoolers he was driving past, but was unable to stop for slowing traffic in time. Big crash. The car he hit was written off. Again, Mr. Mustang had no insurance. $5000 fine for driving uninsured, and the people they crashed into must now sue for the money since they didn't have insurance.

Sometimes people want to have that nice, flashy car without the expenses they come along with. gently caress those people.

CountOfNowhere posted:

Similar, this one on Craigslist is a bit older and significantly less baller - it's only a V8, not a twin turbo v12!

The part that cracks me up was the guy that bought it on credit and now has to sell for way more than its worth to pay off the loan. Not to mention his estimate of $1500 for parts and labor seems hilariously low.
You're correct to think that. There's no such thing as an "inexpensive" repair for a Merc. Especially when it's a 13-year old S500 that's obviously been driven into the ground. And there's no way in hell that the "air suspension work" is the only major problem. I wouldn't walk away from that car- I'd run.

melon cat fucked around with this message at 07:37 on Oct 1, 2014

RandomBlue
Dec 30, 2012

hay guys!


Biscuit Hider

melon cat posted:

Ain't that the truth. And they aren't always driving around beat-up crapboxes. I was rear-ended in a parking lot by a woman who drove a shiny, new Range Rover. Surprise! She didn't have insurance. I was also witness to a horrendous rear-ending, whereas a young guy driving a Mustang was showing off to some high schoolers he was driving past, but was unable to stop for slowing traffic in time. Big crash. The car he hit was written off. Again, Mr. Mustang had no insurance. $5000 fine for driving uninsured, and the people they crashed into must now sue for the money since they didn't have insurance.

Sometimes people want to have that nice, flashy car without the expenses they come along with. gently caress those people.

You're correct to think that. There's no such thing as an "inexpensive" repair for a Merc. Especially when it's a 13-year old S500 that's obviously been driven into the ground. And there's no way in hell that the "air suspension work" is the only major problem. I wouldn't walk away from that car- I'd run.

My wife was rear-ended by a guy in a Cadillac Escalade... no insurance. Not having insurance is bad with money and bad at life.

Rudager
Apr 29, 2008

Anne Whateley posted:

I don't know about the implants, but skin removal can actually be really medically necessary.

That said, I'm pretty appalled that Australia is apparently like "go gently caress yourself, you're on your own" about it. I thought it was the land of magic free healthcare. In comparison, in the US, my insurance would cover it (except for a copay) if it were medically necessary.

If it was necessary to either increase her health or to dramatically increase her quality of life, it would have been covered under Medicare without question. 135kg is a bit under 300lb, it's big for sure, but without a height it's hard to say how bad it was.

In saying all that health insurance here is like $15-20/week AUD, it's not hard to afford when you consider the minimum wage is $19/hour or so.

Anne Whateley
Feb 11, 2007
:unsmith: i like nice words

froglet posted:

I'm going to guess if she qualified for bariatric surgery she was looking at a wait of a few months/years and used her super to get the surgery privately.

quote:

Wardrop had no health insurance and says she was quoted around $10,000 to have her surgery through the public hospital system or $20,000 in a private facility.


Rudager posted:

If it was necessary to either increase her health or to dramatically increase her quality of life, it would have been covered under Medicare without question.

quote:

The procedures do not attract a Medicare rebate. . . .

Applicants need to supply letters from their GP and specialist certifying that their condition is life threatening.

Kiwi Ghost Chips
Feb 19, 2011

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Anne Whateley posted:

I don't know about the implants, but skin removal can actually be really medically necessary.

That said, I'm pretty appalled that Australia is apparently like "go gently caress yourself, you're on your own" about it. I thought it was the land of magic free healthcare. In comparison, in the US, my insurance would cover it (except for a copay) if it were medically necessary.

When I was looking on the exchanges, most plans had a bariatric surgery exclusion, and the ones without it were extremely expensive.

melon cat
Jan 21, 2010

Nap Ghost

RandomBlue posted:

My wife was rear-ended by a guy in a Cadillac Escalade... no insurance. Not having insurance is bad with money and bad at life.
Ugh... that sounds pretty bad. It really makes you wonder, though. How bad are these people's personal finances that they can (somehow) afford their expensive car's payments and maintenance costs, but not pony up enough cash to pay insurance? And how can they ever weigh the risk of driving uninsured when doing so carries a massive fine? Here in Ontario it's about ~$5000 minimum.

melon cat fucked around with this message at 21:06 on Oct 1, 2014

BonerGhost
Mar 9, 2007

Because you don't have to have a driver's license to start the vehicle.

E: they don't care, basically. So they get hit with a fine. If they don't pay the fine, what happens? License revocation, a warrant for arrest? If they can dodge the repo man, they can probably dodge a warrant for awhile.

Cicero
Dec 17, 2003

Jumpjet, melta, jumpjet. Repeat for ten minutes or until victory is assured.
http://www.reddit.com/r/personalfinance/comments/2i1zea/finances_versus_passion/

quote:

My parents thought they made too much money for me to get federal aid for college, so I received my Bachelor's of Science in Media Arts & Animation from the Art Institute on mostly private loans. After I turned 24 I was able to receive federal aid. I tried making payments, but every time I did the principles went UP, not down, and thus I became depressed and stopped making payments. Instead, I went back to school hoping to earn my Master's degree, and prolong payments. I have an assortment of private loans ($36,439.15 @7.25%, $26,032.85 @10.25%, $29,214.42 @8.25%, $34,243.09 @8.25%, and $56,550.97 @10.25% totaling to $182,480.48) and federal (7 amounting to $86,165.90). I am $278,167.35 in debt to student loans as of today
:psyboom:

278k in debt for an art degree, and she's not even done with the master's, and she wants to drop out.

Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Dec 22, 2005

GET LOSE, YOU CAN'T COMPARE WITH MY POWERS
unlike a lot of people asking for financial advice, her problem seems rather easy to solve in that leaving the country is probably the only at all reasonable choice

unless her parents are actually wealthy and will just pay it

Zo
Feb 22, 2005

LIKE A FOX
it's pretty funny that america's solution to "hey some college grads are declaring bankruptcy on their student loans!!" was to make it undischargeable instead of giving out fewer loans, good job americailures

Cicero
Dec 17, 2003

Jumpjet, melta, jumpjet. Repeat for ten minutes or until victory is assured.

Jeffrey posted:

unlike a lot of people asking for financial advice, her problem seems rather easy to solve in that leaving the country is probably the only at all reasonable choice
I'm curious, if you actually do that, obviously you can't come back to live, but you can still visit the country, right?

Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Dec 22, 2005

GET LOSE, YOU CAN'T COMPARE WITH MY POWERS

Cicero posted:

I'm curious, if you actually do that, obviously you can't come back to live, but you can still visit the country, right?

I'm certainly not well researched on the matter. If they can somehow nail you for fraud or failure to appear or something then you couldn't, short of that I don't know. I just don't see her getting a job that will ever let her keep up with nearly 30k/year worth of post-tax interest payments, let alone the principal.

Nail Rat
Dec 29, 2000

You maniacs! You blew it up! God damn you! God damn you all to hell!!
Suicide and fleeing the country seem like her only options. God drat. Art schools should be illegal. I wonder how many kids who go to them to "follow their dreams" will be working poo poo jobs until they die.

Pompous Rhombus
Mar 11, 2007
"Flee the country" option proponents: do show me all of those developed countries that welcome penniless foreigners with no employable skills with open arms :allears:

baquerd
Jul 2, 2007

by FactsAreUseless

Nail Rat posted:

Suicide and fleeing the country seem like her only options. God drat. Art schools should be illegal. I wonder how many kids who go to them to "follow their dreams" will be working poo poo jobs until they die.

Personally, I would go with "professional student" if I were her. Just keep on taking out those loans until I died, leaving a balance in the tens of millions that they can try to recover from my stack of ramen noodles.

Weatherman
Jul 30, 2003

WARBLEKLONK

Pompous Rhombus posted:

"Flee the country" option proponents: do show me all of those developed countries that welcome penniless foreigners with no employable skills with open arms :allears:

Pompous, you of all people should know what her first option would be.

Not a Children
Oct 9, 2012

Don't need a holster if you never stop shooting.

Nail Rat posted:

Suicide and fleeing the country seem like her only options. God drat. Art schools should be illegal. I wonder how many kids who go to them to "follow their dreams" will be working poo poo jobs until they die.

I live/work right next to one of the most prestigious art schools in the US. Tuition alone is $43k/year, in one of the cheaper cities on the east coast. A lot of people that go there are either the progeny of plutocrats, or naive kids, as you say, "following their dreams." A lot of the bars and restaurants in the area are staffed by grads. It's a little sad to see.

Folly
May 26, 2010

Not a Children posted:

I live/work right next to one of the most prestigious art schools in the US. Tuition alone is $43k/year, in one of the cheaper cities on the east coast. A lot of people that go there are either the progeny of plutocrats, or naive kids, as you say, "following their dreams." A lot of the bars and restaurants in the area are staffed by grads. It's a little sad to see.

It shouldn't have to be that way though. I think there's much greater demand for visual content now than at any point in the recent past. Well developed visual artists, with the right skills, should be at least as marketable as web developers.

LorneReams
Jun 27, 2003
I'm bizarre

Folly posted:

It shouldn't have to be that way though. I think there's much greater demand for visual content now than at any point in the recent past. Well developed visual artists, with the right skills, should be at least as marketable as web developers.

Or you can pay a studio in Korea literally pennies on the dollar to do the same or better work. See Nickelodeon

nickutz
Feb 3, 2004

Put blue and red chicken in mouth plz

Pompous Rhombus posted:

"Flee the country" option proponents: do show me all of those developed countries that welcome penniless foreigners with no employable skills with open arms :allears:

Obviously the US. Too bad they didn't go to art school in South America.

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Nail Rat
Dec 29, 2000

You maniacs! You blew it up! God damn you! God damn you all to hell!!

quote:

"Flee the country" option proponents: do show me all of those developed countries that welcome penniless foreigners with no employable skills with open arms

Suicide it is then!

Folly posted:

It shouldn't have to be that way though. I think there's much greater demand for visual content now than at any point in the recent past. Well developed visual artists, with the right skills, should be at least as marketable as web developers.

Graphic designers etc. are highly employable if they're good(though not at the salary level of STEM jobs), but with the stagnation/regression of middle class wages and minimum wages, people are just not going to be buying your paintings, sketches and sculptures. Yeah rich people can/will but there's not enough of them to keep every wide-eyed art kid with blue hair fed.

Nail Rat fucked around with this message at 14:47 on Oct 2, 2014

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