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El Estrago Bonito posted:What are the worst rope colors? Bragging Rights with their half blue/red ropes. It was a cool idea, but really disorienting. Having two sides of the ring be blue and two red would have been interesting, but not splitting them in the middle of the rope.
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sticklefifer posted:Bragging Rights with their half blue/red ropes. It was a cool idea, but really disorienting. Having two sides of the ring be blue and two red would have been interesting, but not splitting them in the middle of the rope. 1980s AJPW style would have been awesome, but I can't remember the last time that WWE has had a non-standard canvas on a PPV.
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Aku posted:It's a (very gruesome) work. The popular rumor is that Manny Fernandez was shooting on Invader 3 for the Bruiser Brody stabbing, but this happened a month or two before Brody died. Invader 3 apparently drank blood and alcohol before the match, which explains the massive vomiting. The rumor is pigs blood and vodka. I remember seeing this for the first time a few years ago and being really loving disturbed because I was sure it was a shoot. Then I looked it up and felt like a dipshit. I'm really glad poo poo like this is pretty much gone from the modern product. Someone posted a Memphis video last week where someone gigged and pulled a 1.0 Muta and the kids in the front row looked white as sheets. I think a minor blade once a year for a huge blowoff blood feud would be ok but poo poo like Eddie's job or Flair flinging his blood into the crowd are unnecessary.
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Critical posted:The rumor is pigs blood and vodka. I was just watching Starrcade 95 and Flair gushes blood from the most pointless blade job I think I've ever seen. Savage lightly bops him with a megaphone and suddenly he's a crimson mask. The dumbest part is that the match ends about 3 moves later, so it really just felt like blading for the sake of blading.
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Critical posted:The rumor is pigs blood and vodka. I always think of the Bret/Bulldog match from IYH: Season's Beatings. Bret does a big ol' bladejob outside the ring, and is covered in blood. Davey Boy pounds on him, and Bret's blood just flings on to people in the front row, who try to wipe it off. Weren't people grossed out by this? What was the WWF's policy for fans? To treat blood like popcorn/water/slime? I can't believe no one ever sued the WWF over having blood flung on them.
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Did anyone ever sue ECW for having Spike Dudley thrown on them?
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oldpainless posted:That's a pretty smart move. It's a genius move, actually. I think that Lanny might've gotten over that whole thing, I've seen him showing up a lot on Network stuff.
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Big Boss Man should be in the Hall of Fame. If Hacksaw Jim Duggan and Koko B. Ware are both in, Boss Man should be in too.
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Tokelau All Star posted:Big Boss Man should be in the Hall of Fame. Baseball fans sometimes think like this and that's why I'm sure Joey Cora will be a Hall of Famer someday.
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Tokelau All Star posted:Big Boss Man should be in the Hall of Fame. This, but regarding the Genius. Assuming Koko got in because of his entertainment value, Lanny should ge in too, I'd consider they were about equally entertaining during their runs.
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Red posted:Serious: I would like to read an effort post about your experience. I'll post what I can remember from it, but honestly the only thing I gave a drat about was the main event. Also, I think I wrote about this before. Some background: Calgary hosts an annual carnival/festival/rodeo called the Calgary Stampede. It's billed as the Greatest Outdoor Show on Earth and has been going for over a century. There's carnival rides, exhibitions, rodeo and chuckwagon events, concerts (some free, others with big name artists at the adjacent Saddledome) and other stuff going on. The WWF PPV was the first non-concert event I can recall being sold as a major draw for the Stampede, and is why the PPV has the Stampede Moniker. Bret Hart also used to do a column for a local paper, and I remember that there was TONS of publicity leading up to this PPV in Calgary. I used to basically buy that local paper specifically for his column (and the corresponding comics he'd sometimes draw...there's this one I remember of Bastion Booger of all people that I think will forever remain lodged in my brain) I know some people knock Bret Hart for being a mark for himself or buying into the notion that he was a folk hero or whatever, and with hindsight it does look pretty silly, but back in the 90s Bret Hart was a legit revered guy. Keep in mind that our local junior hockey team shares his name and colors and how much Canadians are bananas about hockey. There's a lot of intermixing going on with hockey, Calgary and the Harts. Ed Whalen was a beloved Calgary figure and he was pretty much synonymous with the Calgary Flames...and he was also very much involved with Stampede Wrestling, which was another iconic Calgary fixture on local televisions. There's a lot of bullshit I could offer up here regarding the Flames/Whalen/etc, but just know that there was a lot of positive attachment for everyone involved and that the Stampede Wrestling that saw the rise of guys like Benoit, Pillman, etc. was remembered by locals. I remember seeing -- I think -- Davey Boy Smith and Owen Hart on an old local sports show (Sports @ 11) and thinking how cool it was because wrestling was being treated as Serious Business, as opposed to a novelty act. The Harts (and WWF) were everywhere and I'd probably equate it to being on par to a modern day Wrestlemania weekend in terms of coverage and availability. Putting that PPV on during the Stampede was an incredibly savvy move for PR for the WWF and for hedging their bets against getting a packed house (as though there was any doubt...I remember convincing my dad to drive to the Silver Dollar Casino to line up early to buy tickets at Ticketmaster, back in the day when StubHub and online purchasing didn't rule the world, haha. I think there were about 20 people there and there ended up being about 50. For context, I remember going there to get tickets for shows for bands like Green Day, the Smashing Pumpkins and Metallica and being like one of a handful of people there. I know I'm kinda rambling here, but I'm just trying to really make the case that the hype for Bret and the hotness of the crowd really can't be understated.) Anyway...as for the show itself. I remember trying to get access to autograph sessions that the Calgary Stampede were having and remembering that the lines were ridiculously long. I can't remember if this was the day of or the day before, but I remember wandering around and bumping into Dustin Rhodes on the Grounds. Living up in Canada, there was very little that I got to see of WCW, but I remembered him, and was able to talk to him. I think he was surprised that a little punk kid remembered his feud with Bunkhouse Buck or whatever and was probably really surprised that I thought the match he had in the moving truck was cool. I don't remember much else of him, but thought it was cool he'd be talking to a Canadian fan.  The crowd loving loved the Blackjacks in the Godwinns match. I've seen some reviews wonder why they got such a hot reaction and I'd say it's due to three factors: 1) it was the first match of the night. You could've marched Great Khali and Giant Gonzalez out for a tag team Iron Man match against Loch Ness and Mass Transit and fans would've been losing their minds. 2) cowboy hats. Calgary in general and the Stampede in particular is very 'western' and has a lot of heritage surrounding that, 3) the Godwinns loving suck. I'm not trying to be a smark by saying that, but holy poo poo, I found them insufferable when I was younger. But the crowd was super into everything and was just ramped up...I remember getting to my seats midway through this match because my girlfriend at the time was throwing a hissy fit that I was going to this and I had to console her. I remember being excited for the Mankind match, although I was a little pissed that they went for the non-finish. I wasn't really a Mankind fan, but I loathed Triple H (...although I thought the Pedigree was a cool finisher.) and I liked the concept of someone just beating the tar out of him. Crowd was really into this match, too, although they had burnt themselves out a little bit with the first match. I either went to the washroom or the concession stand for the TAKA/Sasuke match and I honestly don't remember a hell of a lot of it. I do remember the crowd popping quite a bit for what was going on. I thought the Taker match was pretty cool, although younger me was a tad annoyed that AHMED JOHNSON wasn't going to be in the match. I loving loved Ahmed Johnson and thought he was a bad rear end motherfucker. Him getting injured annoyed me and I think they played some video thing explaining/apologizing for him not being around. I also remember thinking it was bullshit that Vader didn't come out with his helmet (the smoke spewing, Mastodon one he used to wear in WCW) because I was talking it up with my buddy who went to the show with me and I was confident that he was gonna wear it for a "special event." I think we also got into an argument about whether King Kong Bundy was still alive -- he was arguing that he "split open" and died when he tried splashing a guy in a match and I was arguing that was the dumbest loving thing. We weren't super into this match. As for the main event...well, WWF really did a great job of building the God Pop that Bret ended up getting. They started off with Canadian country music artists Farmer's Daughter singing the national anthem. Again, Calgary has a western background and is huge on country music. Everyone in the loving building was singing along with them and it was an experience I didn't see until 2004 when the Flames made the Stanley Cup playoffs for the first time in eons. You could barely hear yourself think and this was for the national anthem. The pops continued to build and the crowd was getting to increasingly crazier levels of rabidness as each wrestler made their appearance. I remember Pillman getting a slightly louder-than-expected pop than the non-Harts and I think that's because of his time with the Calgary Stampeders. I could be wrong and maybe there was just a ton of Pillman fans in the crowd. I dunno! I can't really describe what the crowd or the energy was like. It was loving loud, yes. It was a God pop. It was Daniel Bryan winning the title at Wrestlemania, Dean Malenko taking off the mask, John Cena making a surprise return at the Rumble and Triple H returning from his quad injury all rolled into one. But it was more than that. Like, it was akin to the T-Rex appearing in Jurassic Park. You first get that ripple of water as it BOOM-BOOM walks towards the jeeps. And the anticipation and anxiousness builds up until you have this humungous dinosaur bellowing at you. When Bret Hart came out I was literally loving vibrating. I was I've been to a number of large events across Canada in the years subsequent and the only thing that came close was the aforementioned playoff games for the Calgary Flames in 2004. But I was in the Saddledome for both of those and the WWF show was significantly louder than the Flames first playoff game. And the crowd was so into the match. The YAY/BOO cheering dynamic really manifested in this match. The crowd finally calmed down, but, and I don't think it's really conveyed well on the broadcast, there was still a buzz continually going. I remember going in and thinking that it would really suck if Bret Hart lost, but realizing that there was no way that Austin and co. were going to win this match without their being five counts of crowd assisted murder to go along with their victory. A lot of that match was a blur to me because I was so caught up in the spectacle and the experience. I remember arguing with my buddy whether or not the LOD did their finisher (they did, haha.) Watching it much later on Youtube (I could never track down a VHS of that show, so I went a long time before seeing it again) and it's like watching a re-enactment of the same event, rather than the real thing. I know a lot of the above is me talking about stuff leading up to the show or about Calgary rather than the show itself, but I think my blathering about that poo poo helps to put things into the proper context. Plus, I was fairly loving young and couldn't really give an "educated" (read: smarky) opinion of the show, so it's more just going off of my impressions and feelings, haha. 
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Awesome write up, Perdido. In my mind, Canadian Stampede was easily the hottest crowd in wrestling history. I cannot think of one that topped it. Not Stone Cold's god pop from the Mankind title win. Not 75,000 yesses at Mania. There is just something special about it and it was one of the first things that I watched when the Network launched. I was at Payback 2013 for Punk's return and that crowd was the loudest crowd I've ever been in. I can't even imagine having been an historically electric crowd. Perdido posted:I remember getting to my seats midway through this match because my girlfriend at the time was throwing a hissy fit that I was going to this and I had to console her I assume this was the catalyst for the break up.
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Perdido posted:I think we also got into an argument about whether King Kong Bundy was still alive -- he was arguing that he "split open" and died when he tried splashing a guy in a match and I was arguing that was the dumbest loving thing How old were you and your friend?
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The Big Taff Man posted:How old were you and your friend? We were 26. Nah, I was like 14. Yes, we were both idiots back then. My friend used to argue with me about the dumbest poo poo all the time when we were younger, I think mostly just to get a rise out of me. I remember we had this huge rear end argument about whether a hockey goalie had worn a specific mask or not, despite there being hockey cards and poo poo clearly showing that this goalie had worn the mask, he'd still argue about it, mostly just to piss me off, I think, haha. Charles Gnarwin posted:Awesome write up, Perdido. In my mind, Canadian Stampede was easily the hottest crowd in wrestling history. I cannot think of one that topped it. Not Stone Cold's god pop from the Mankind title win. Not 75,000 yesses at Mania. There is just something special about it and it was one of the first things that I watched when the Network launched. I was at Payback 2013 for Punk's return and that crowd was the loudest crowd I've ever been in. I can't even imagine having been an historically electric crowd. It was just a really weird time, but I think that having that PPV in Calgary, at that time, with that card, was just perfect. You had the history the city had with Stampede Wrestling, you had Bret Hart's hometown, you had the nationalism angle he was touting. I think all those factors helped fuel the fire. I could talk about other stuff, about how Calgary was looking for something to take pride in because the city was on the cusp of exploding socioeconomically and because there was a lot of people who were looking for something to rally behind thanks to the local sports team eating a bowl of dicks, but I dunno how much that would actually factor in. Another thing I wonder about is the unique shape of the Saddledome contributed to the show having such a noisy atmosphere due to weird acoustics. I also don't know if it's the hottest...I'm sure there were some shows with the Von Erichs that could rival it (just going off of the stories I've heard about how revered they were in Texas and how that local connection might equal a louder crowd), as well as some Wrestlemania moments (it'd have been pretty cool to be in the Skydome for Hogan/Warrior.) I would say that it was one of the most consistent crowds, and that it's definitely one of the loudest. I remember being disappointed that WWF never came back to do a PPV in Calgary after that, but maybe the Screwjob poisoned that particular well and they were afraid to go back. Perdido fucked around with this message at 13:36 on Oct 1, 2014 |
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blood rules and is much safer than all the hard bumping that is routine these days. a lifetime of blading just gets you a gross looking forehead, a lifetime of hard bumping gets you drug addiction and an early demise. it's a real shame that hate feud blowoff matches have gone from being a bunch of punching and double juice to a bunch of crazy stunts and weapons spots imo.
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What were the plans for Austin at Wrestlemania 13 before Shawn "lost his smile"? Supposedly they were building a Shawn/Bret rematch as the main event. They had already set up Austin as the Royal Rumble winner at the point, and I'm guessing he would have lost his WM title opportunity to Bret via the Final Four match (rather than that match being for the title itself). Meanwhile, the seeds for the double turn had already been planted (or at least a heel turn for Bret). I'm guessing they would have put Austin over someone pretty big at Wrestlemania, like Sid or something, then have him feud with a freshly turned Bret for the title? I dunno. It's really weird to imagine 1997 without that historic double turn in the Bret/Austin match, if Bret had been tied up in the main event. Curious if there was stuff from the Observer at the time that went into this.
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Spermgod posted:blood rules and is much safer than all the hard bumping that is routine these days. a lifetime of blading just gets you a gross looking forehead And if you're really lucky, Hepatitis.
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Spermgod posted:blood rules and is much safer than all the hard bumping that is routine these days. Yeah, all those doctors and nurses who wear gloves with patients are just nutty germaphobes.
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Red posted:Yeah, all those doctors and nurses who wear gloves with patients are just nutty germaphobes. abdullah the butcher has zero health problems
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Smoking Crow posted:abdullah the butcher has zero health problems If reading backstage news about pro wrestlers has taught me anything, it's that carnies whose income depends on others believing they're able to physically perform are completely and entirely honest about their health.
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wrestlers should be regularly blood tested like porn stars regardless of if theyre juicing or not since the risk of hardway blood is always there
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I'm kind of amazed something like hepatitis isn't incredibly widespread among wrestlers given how often they roll around in each other's blood. Although it makes me think of that time Bob Orton didn't tell anyone he had it and Undertaker freaked the hell out on him.
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DeathChicken posted:I'm kind of amazed something like hepatitis isn't incredibly widespread among wrestlers given how often they roll around in each other's blood. Although it makes me think of that time Bob Orton didn't tell anyone he had it and Undertaker freaked the hell out on him. Man. It makes you wonder how, with all the sex/drugs stuff of the 80s, no one got HIV/AIDS or something.
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DeathChicken posted:I'm kind of amazed something like hepatitis isn't incredibly widespread among wrestlers given how often they roll around in each other's blood. Although it makes me think of that time Bob Orton didn't tell anyone he had it and Undertaker freaked the hell out on him. Johnny Ace actually ordered Bob Orton to blade for that match, even though Orton told him beforehand that he had Hepatitis C.
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People Power!!!
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Johnny Ace gives the Undertaker a cucumber covered in the hepatitis blood as a memento.
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is the thread about Wresting people being lovely people still alive somewhere?
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it got locked and i think it fell into archives by now.
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oldpainless posted:Johnny Ace gives the Undertaker a cucumber covered in the hepatitis blood as a memento. I'm sure I've seen someone list this on FetLife as "everything to do with it"
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Pope Corky the IX posted:I'm sure I've seen someone list this on FetLife as "everything to do with it" He just wants his neg rear end pozzed, what's wrong with that?
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Jerry Steinfeld posted:is the thread about Wresting people being lovely people still alive somewhere? No and it really shouldn't be If you think the non-wrestling related posts were/are bad in the weekly WWE GDTs, boy howdy that thread was worse Basically eventually they ran out of murderers and wife beaters and like actually bad people and start going on "Well the 60 year old southern wrassler said friend of the family a few times two decades ago" or posting about Cena for adultery which is bad but its like a page after "Chris Benoit killed his wife and child" and comparatively doesn't really belong
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Jerry Steinfeld posted:is the thread about Wresting people being lovely people still alive somewhere? Carnies, Racists, Perverts & sportsgenius86es: The Biggest Assholes in Wrestling It was good, then it got kind of same-y, then Goons happened, then it got Old Yeller'd. The OP is still worth reading as a decent reference guide, Perry Normal did a bang-up job of maintaining it.
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Doctor Goggles posted:Oh my god keep these guys together forever. September 23 or something, but it was also on this week's RAW and WWE were wise enough to put it on their channel: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hQWVf2v_WE8&list=UUJ5v_MCY6GNUBTO8-D3XoAg Flameingblack posted:Not his literal will, but his wish that his brother and father being inducted with him. While there might be a small argument his father might be worthy as a promoter, Lanny Poffo has done absolutely nothing noteworthy his whole career other than tricking WCW into paying him for half a decade to do absolutely nothing. From what I recall, he was one of the first people to use the moonsault (Mando Guerrero is credit with innovating the move, though some have argued Mutoh was the first) and possibly innovating the senton bomb. Don't know if that's worth a HoF, but it's something. Questions: -I was reading the wikipedia page for the bushwhackers and was surprised to learn that they had a 5-star match in 1986*. How'd they go from that to being regarded as one of the worst tag teams ever? -I remember hearing something about Funaki being kept around because he was a good friend of 'Taker. Any truth to this? -How come Eddie Kingston held the CHIKARA Grand Championship for 900+ days? *the match: http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x6j6dj_bushwhackers-sheepherders-vs-the-fa_sport
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The Bushwhackers were great at bloody, garbage-y brawls, and were in the WWF in an era where they never did bloody, garbage-y brawls. Also, by the time they signed with the WWF, they were really old.
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Nick_326 posted:-How come Eddie Kingston held the CHIKARA Grand Championship for 900+ days? The days really start to add up when you don't run a wrestling show for a year
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What's the opposite body part from a face? A heel, duh
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Alouicious posted:What's the opposite body part from a face? A heel, duh If this isn't the real answer, then it should be.
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Does the Network still put up old episodes of Raw and Smackdown? The place I get 'em from hasn't uploaded any in a while.
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