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JT Jag: Aug 30, 2009; #1 Jaguars Sunk Cost Fallacy-Haver

Pohl posted:

Warren would have a lot of difficulty getting anything done, but she would try. I'm really not sure exactly what you are advocating. Do you think an experienced president could make this Congress pass bills?

Obama was very naive in negotiations with Republicans, especially over the course of the bulk of the first term, though he's improved in this regard. Honestly, all I want is a President who isn't in the habit of just assuming the Republicans will accept his or her first offer, like Obama did when he put things on the table immediately that should have been used as bargaining chips, and experience is part of that.

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woke wedding drone: Jun 1, 2003; by exmarx; Fun Shoe

Warren is also very conservative, but she actually comprehends the severity of the crisis, the effects of regulatory capture and how inequality is going to gently caress over our national security and position of dominance. Obama comprehends it but has seen that he can't prevail over it. And he's a man who gained the presidency, that's how much influence he wields. He is governing against a Republican party that is in full revolt constantly, against himself as much as it is against him. And it sickens him to have to try and cut a deal with these peckerwoods, these simpering shitbirds across the table acting like they'll deliver votes to him in congress. Who wouldn't be sickened? literally who in the pages of history would not be sickened, trying to cut deals with these backstabbing jumped up furniture salesmen and chiropractors who presume to lecture him on his tone. Obama never had the taste for it, the love for it that would let you submit repeatedly to such abuse.

Could Warren cut deals with these gross, dreadful human animals? Could Obama? Did Obama?

But guess who could cut deals?

Hillary Clinton will sit down with her sworn enemy and make them her bitch; they'll be glad of it. She's done it with Rupert Murdoch, of all people. The right wing can't even figure out how to deal with Murdoch, they fear him and he controls them. Hillary controls him, by getting in a room with him.

Hillary Rodham Clinton is America's best chance to slow progress toward the gaping twin abysses of inequality and climate destruction. She will sign landmark carbon reduction bills into law. She will promptly secure $10.10 as a federal minimum wage for non-agricultural workers. She will suppress all threats to national security with ruthless efficiency, signing privacy bills authored by Jim Sensenbrenner. She will airstrike the living poo poo out of all foreign nationals on the "global no-fly list." She will get it done, and all men and women in the Capitol will fear her, and love her.

Clinton 2016: Don't gently caress with me, I've got a play date to be at

# ? Oct 1, 2014 05:06

Goatse James Bond: Mar 28, 2010; If you see me posting please remind me that I have Charlie Work in the reports forum to do instead

I could almost hear swelling orchestral music. :allears:

# ? Oct 1, 2014 05:23

beatlegs: Mar 11, 2001

Obama isn't a fighter. We needed someone like FDR and I think that's what a lot of people hoped Obama would be in '08. Warren seems more willing to stand up to the ratfuckers on the right and call their bluff. Obama continues to be embarassingly impotent in that regard. His great failure was his self-centered fantasy of being The Great Conciliator while those he reached out to spit in his face and demonized him - and even after that he continued to try and placate them.

# ? Oct 1, 2014 05:23

Raskolnikov38: Mar 3, 2007; We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

GreyjoyBastard posted:

I could almost hear swelling orchestral music.

For real, that almost makes me want to vote Hillary.

# ? Oct 1, 2014 05:24

Badger of Basra: Jul 26, 2007

I don't even know what's real anymore.

# ? Oct 1, 2014 05:25

McAlister: Nov 3, 2002; by exmarx

AreWeDrunkYet posted:

This is a common enough meme, but how many insurance policies actually cover erectile dysfunction drugs?

From working three years as a programmer writing code to calculate copays for drug claims ... Pretty much all of them.

Viagra - like birth control pills - has medical uses for things not sex related and patient doctor confidentiality precludes us from denying coverage based on what the pill is treating.

So when Christian assholes demand we cripple plans by denying BC coverage ( they almost never cancel it for Viagra too but a few do) they are also taking coverage away from people with painful ovarian cysts etc.

Oh, and it doesn't save any money. Pharmaceutical benefits managers operate like Sam's clubs. We just negotiate discounts and pass on the savings for $10 a year per person. Membership alone entitled them to massive discounts that their employers are stealing from them by demanding we not let them buy BC at plan discount prices.

Yet another reason why they cover Viagra. No reason not to let people have their negotiated discounts. Set the plan pay to $0 and customers still get over 50% off just for being a member.

# ? Oct 1, 2014 05:32

Kalman: Jan 17, 2010

beatlegs posted:

Obama isn't a fighter. We needed someone like FDR and I think that's what a lot of people hoped Obama would be in '08. Warren seems more willing to stand up to the ratfuckers on the right and call their bluff. Obama continues to be embarassingly impotent in that regard. His great failure was his self-centered fantasy of being The Great Conciliator while those he reached out to spit in his face and demonized him - and even after that he continued to try and placate them.

What exactly do you think "standing up to the ratfuckers on the right and calling their bluff" will do re: basically any major political issue?

# ? Oct 1, 2014 05:39

hangedman1984: Jul 25, 2012

ErIog posted:

You're right. She's much for fit for the Supreme Court. The presidency is just a shiny impermanent distraction, anyway. She can be part of the coalition that upholds President Bernie Sanders' Bill to Enact Socialism and Tolerance (BEST).

Warren Court 2.0

# ? Oct 1, 2014 06:16

Jackson Taus: Oct 19, 2011

SedanChair posted:

The right wing can't even figure out how to deal with Murdoch, they fear him and he controls them. Hillary controls him, by getting in a room with him.

Hang on, pause. Rupert Murdoch and Fox News are Hillary's bitch? Because I thought they were hyping all the Benghazi poo poo or faux health concerns to hurt her as a 2016 candidate.

hangedman1984 posted:

Warren Court 2.0

No. There shall be no appointing of AARP members to the Supreme Court! All potential liberal justices must be in their early 40s or something, so we can have them on the bench forever. This is agist and I'm a bad person. I don't care.

# ? Oct 1, 2014 06:17

Goatse James Bond: Mar 28, 2010; If you see me posting please remind me that I have Charlie Work in the reports forum to do instead

Jackson Taus posted:

Hang on, pause. Rupert Murdoch and Fox News are Hillary's bitch? Because I thought they were hyping all the Benghazi poo poo or faux health concerns to hurt her as a 2016 candidate.

No. There shall be no appointing of AARP members to the Supreme Court! All potential liberal justices must be in their early 40s or something, so we can have them on the bench forever. This is agist and I'm a bad person. I don't care.

Rupert Murdoch, oddly enough, doesn't closely control Fox these days. As long as it keeps bringing in bags of money and doesn't touch any of his personal sacred cows too intimately, he lets Roger Ailes work his foul magics.

# ? Oct 1, 2014 06:34

JT Jag: Aug 30, 2009; #1 Jaguars Sunk Cost Fallacy-Haver

SedanChair posted:

Hillary Clinton will sit down with her sworn enemy and make them her bitch; they'll be glad of it. She's done it with Rupert Murdoch, of all people. The right wing can't even figure out how to deal with Murdoch, they fear him and he controls them. Hillary controls him, by getting in a room with him.

Hillary Rodham Clinton is America's best chance to slow progress toward the gaping twin abysses of inequality and climate destruction. She will sign landmark carbon reduction bills into law. She will promptly secure $10.10 as a federal minimum wage for non-agricultural workers. She will suppress all threats to national security with ruthless efficiency, signing privacy bills authored by Jim Sensenbrenner. She will airstrike the living poo poo out of all foreign nationals on the "global no-fly list." She will get it done, and all men and women in the Capitol will fear her, and love her.

Oh, you dirty girl Sedan, work the shaft.

# ? Oct 1, 2014 07:13

ReindeerF: Apr 20, 2002; Rubber Dinghy Rapids Bro

Khisanth Magus posted:

Most of them I am pretty as far as I know. I know both the ones I have been under in the past 10 years did (I know this because I checked when that was brought up previously).

I WAS JUST ASKING FOR A FRIEND OKAY

# ? Oct 1, 2014 08:27

Nonsense: Jan 26, 2007

SedanChair posted:

Warren is also very conservative, but she actually comprehends the severity of the crisis, the effects of regulatory capture and how inequality is going to gently caress over our national security and position of dominance. Obama comprehends it but has seen that he can't prevail over it. And he's a man who gained the presidency, that's how much influence he wields. He is governing against a Republican party that is in full revolt constantly, against himself as much as it is against him. And it sickens him to have to try and cut a deal with these peckerwoods, these simpering shitbirds across the table acting like they'll deliver votes to him in congress. Who wouldn't be sickened? literally who in the pages of history would not be sickened, trying to cut deals with these backstabbing jumped up furniture salesmen and chiropractors who presume to lecture him on his tone. Obama never had the taste for it, the love for it that would let you submit repeatedly to such abuse.

Could Warren cut deals with these gross, dreadful human animals? Could Obama? Did Obama?

But guess who could cut deals?

Hillary Clinton will sit down with her sworn enemy and make them her bitch; they'll be glad of it. She's done it with Rupert Murdoch, of all people. The right wing can't even figure out how to deal with Murdoch, they fear him and he controls them. Hillary controls him, by getting in a room with him.

Hillary Rodham Clinton is America's best chance to slow progress toward the gaping twin abysses of inequality and climate destruction. She will sign landmark carbon reduction bills into law. She will promptly secure $10.10 as a federal minimum wage for non-agricultural workers. She will suppress all threats to national security with ruthless efficiency, signing privacy bills authored by Jim Sensenbrenner. She will airstrike the living poo poo out of all foreign nationals on the "global no-fly list." She will get it done, and all men and women in the Capitol will fear her, and love her.

Clinton 2016: Don't gently caress with me, I've got a play date to be at

She's smarter than Bush, whom is not a genius. She's got my vote now.

# ? Oct 1, 2014 09:07

ufarn: May 30, 2009

We now go to Politico for a Smart Take on the recent Secret Service problems:

The Tiger Beat on the Potomac posted:

Agents tell me it�s a miracle an assassination has not already occurred. Sadly, given Obama�s colossal lack of management judgment, that calamity may be the only catalyst that will reform the Secret Service.

I have to admit, I thought that astrology tweet would be the dumbest thing Politico I would post this week.

And it's only Wednesday.

# ? Oct 1, 2014 09:45

Sulphagnist: Oct 10, 2006; WARNING! INTRUDERS DETECTED

And here I was waking up in the morning and coming up with "Obama is sabotaging the Secret Service on purpose because the SS protect Republican ex-presidents and he wants them dead"/"Obama's mismanagement of the SS is a risk to elder statesmen of the GOP" but okay you can take that route too.

(Yes, there are two former Democratic presidents and two former Republican presidents. Since when do facts matter?)

# ? Oct 1, 2014 11:13

Hodgepodge: Jan 29, 2006; Can't post for 203 days!

SedanChair posted:

Warren is also very conservative, but she actually comprehends the severity of the crisis, the effects of regulatory capture and how inequality is going to gently caress over our national security and position of dominance. Obama comprehends it but has seen that he can't prevail over it. And he's a man who gained the presidency, that's how much influence he wields. He is governing against a Republican party that is in full revolt constantly, against himself as much as it is against him. And it sickens him to have to try and cut a deal with these peckerwoods, these simpering shitbirds across the table acting like they'll deliver votes to him in congress. Who wouldn't be sickened? literally who in the pages of history would not be sickened, trying to cut deals with these backstabbing jumped up furniture salesmen and chiropractors who presume to lecture him on his tone. Obama never had the taste for it, the love for it that would let you submit repeatedly to such abuse.

Could Warren cut deals with these gross, dreadful human animals? Could Obama? Did Obama?

But guess who could cut deals?

Hillary Clinton will sit down with her sworn enemy and make them her bitch; they'll be glad of it. She's done it with Rupert Murdoch, of all people. The right wing can't even figure out how to deal with Murdoch, they fear him and he controls them. Hillary controls him, by getting in a room with him.

Hillary Rodham Clinton is America's best chance to slow progress toward the gaping twin abysses of inequality and climate destruction. She will sign landmark carbon reduction bills into law. She will promptly secure $10.10 as a federal minimum wage for non-agricultural workers. She will suppress all threats to national security with ruthless efficiency, signing privacy bills authored by Jim Sensenbrenner. She will airstrike the living poo poo out of all foreign nationals on the "global no-fly list." She will get it done, and all men and women in the Capitol will fear her, and love her.

Clinton 2016: Don't gently caress with me, I've got a play date to be at

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CX3px_Ivs44&t=96s

Basically this except she would grab the Ring before giving the speech.

# ? Oct 1, 2014 11:30

ufarn: May 30, 2009

Antti posted:

And here I was waking up in the morning and coming up with "Obama is sabotaging the Secret Service on purpose because the SS protect Republican ex-presidents and he wants them dead"/"Obama's mismanagement of the SS is a risk to elder statesmen of the GOP" but okay you can take that route too.

(Yes, there are two former Democratic presidents and two former Republican presidents. Since when do facts matter?)

By now, we should know that all problems with America are caused by Obama's inability to (eat some) lead.

# ? Oct 1, 2014 11:38

ewe2: Jul 1, 2009

Jackson Taus posted:

Hang on, pause. Rupert Murdoch and Fox News are Hillary's bitch? Because I thought they were hyping all the Benghazi poo poo or faux health concerns to hurt her as a 2016 candidate.

They're going to need something better than that if they want to play to anyone but the Tea Party base. I don't think they really know what to do with her; they're going to come out with some great stuff as they get more frustrated.

# ? Oct 1, 2014 11:50

Alkydere: Jun 7, 2010; Capitol: A building or complex of buildings in which any legislature meets.
Capital: A city designated as a legislative seat by the government or some other authority, often the city in which the government is located; otherwise the most important city within a country or a subdivision of it.

ewe2 posted:

They're going to need something better than that if they want to play to anyone but the Tea Party base. I don't think they really know what to do with her; they're going to come out with some great stuff as they get more frustrated.

Pretty much this. Honestly as much as I'd love someone more idealistic and liberal than Hillary, I'll gladly vote for her because she's knows DC inside and out and she will devour the Republicans. Or, even better, play the sweet ol' grandma while they devour themselves out of incoherent, impotent, misogynistic rage if she wins. The best attacks the right can throw at her are blatantly fabricated and only really play for their fabricated base, or consist of "But she's a Clinton!". Considering that Bill was one of the most peaceful presidents we've had in decades, "But she's a Clinton!" is a massive bonus in my books.

If I can't get a push to the left, I will gladly take take doing my best to make the right self destruct. I realize it's wrong to make votes based off of spite, but I honestly do not see a more realistic alternative so I might as well enjoy that delicious, delicious spite.

# ? Oct 1, 2014 12:04

computer parts: Nov 18, 2010; PLEASE CLAP

Badger of Basra posted:

I don't even know what's real anymore.

A bunch of people ITT think that if you just say "no" loud enough as the President people will back down and you'll always get your way with no consequences ever.

# ? Oct 1, 2014 12:41

snickles: Mar 27, 2010

McAlister posted:

From working three years as a programmer writing code to calculate copays for drug claims ... Pretty much all of them.

Being a pharmacist, I can tell you this is not true. Some do, but the ones that cover ED drugs in a meaningful manner are in the minority.

McAlister posted:

Viagra - like birth control pills - has medical uses for things not sex related and patient doctor confidentiality precludes us from denying coverage based on what the pill is treating.

Again, this is incorrect. Insurance companies can (and do) require documentation indicating the purpose and medical need for medications. Some insurance companies will cover ED drugs for other indications with prior authorization.

McAlister posted:

So when Christian assholes demand we cripple plans by denying BC coverage ( they almost never cancel it for Viagra too but a few do) they are also taking coverage away from people with painful ovarian cysts etc.

Oh, and it doesn't save any money. Pharmaceutical benefits managers operate like Sam's clubs. We just negotiate discounts and pass on the savings for $10 a year per person. Membership alone entitled them to massive discounts that their employers are stealing from them by demanding we not let them buy BC at plan discount prices.

Yet another reason why they cover Viagra. No reason not to let people have their negotiated discounts. Set the plan pay to $0 and customers still get over 50% off just for being a member.

This is sort of correct. Often times you can get the negotiated price even if a medication is not covered by your plan. However, if a tablet of Viagra is $35/pill and your negotiated price is $33/pill, that's not meaningful coverage. You will not get 50% off a brand name drug based on the negotiated discount.

# ? Oct 1, 2014 13:02

Phone: Jul 30, 2005; 親子丼をほしい。

Does Gov. Chris Christie have a softer edge?

Thanks, CBS News.

# ? Oct 1, 2014 13:40

Pythagoras a trois: Feb 19, 2004; I have a lot of points to make and I will make them later.

SedanChair posted:

Warren is also very conservative, but she actually comprehends the severity of the crisis, the effects of regulatory capture and how inequality is going to gently caress over our national security and position of dominance. Obama comprehends it but has seen that he can't prevail over it. And he's a man who gained the presidency, that's how much influence he wields. He is governing against a Republican party that is in full revolt constantly, against himself as much as it is against him. And it sickens him to have to try and cut a deal with these peckerwoods, these simpering shitbirds across the table acting like they'll deliver votes to him in congress. Who wouldn't be sickened? literally who in the pages of history would not be sickened, trying to cut deals with these backstabbing jumped up furniture salesmen and chiropractors who presume to lecture him on his tone. Obama never had the taste for it, the love for it that would let you submit repeatedly to such abuse.

Could Warren cut deals with these gross, dreadful human animals? Could Obama? Did Obama?

But guess who could cut deals?

Hillary Clinton will sit down with her sworn enemy and make them her bitch; they'll be glad of it. She's done it with Rupert Murdoch, of all people. The right wing can't even figure out how to deal with Murdoch, they fear him and he controls them. Hillary controls him, by getting in a room with him.

Hillary Rodham Clinton is America's best chance to slow progress toward the gaping twin abysses of inequality and climate destruction. She will sign landmark carbon reduction bills into law. She will promptly secure $10.10 as a federal minimum wage for non-agricultural workers. She will suppress all threats to national security with ruthless efficiency, signing privacy bills authored by Jim Sensenbrenner. She will airstrike the living poo poo out of all foreign nationals on the "global no-fly list." She will get it done, and all men and women in the Capitol will fear her, and love her.

Clinton 2016: Don't gently caress with me, I've got a play date to be at

If she campaigned on marginally progressive Machiavellian horror, I'd vote for her.

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Grouchio: Aug 31, 2014

Vote Iron Lady 2016!

In other news, shouldn't we open the October thread?

# ? Oct 1, 2014 14:23

Joementum: May 23, 2004; jesus christ

The GOP is out with a new ad to appeal to the kids.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yu1MQZoz6zM

By kids, I'm of course referring to people in their 30s and 40s who remember an Apple ad campaign from over a decade ago.

# ? Oct 1, 2014 14:25

ReidRansom: Oct 25, 2004

Joementum posted:

The GOP is out with a new ad to appeal to the kids.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yu1MQZoz6zM

By kids, I'm of course referring to people in their 30s and 40s who remember an Apple ad campaign from over a decade ago.

Chris Farley would have made an excellent Obamacare. RIP

# ? Oct 1, 2014 14:29

Fritz Coldcockin: Nov 7, 2005

I'm a huge fan of Elizabeth Warren, but anyone who thinks she'd be some sort of FDR-esque crusader who bends Congress to her will is fooling themselves. I have no doubt that she'd try, but what makes anyone think her negotiating skill would be any better than Obama's?

# ? Oct 1, 2014 14:33

ufarn: May 30, 2009

Alter Ego posted:

I'm a huge fan of Elizabeth Warren, but anyone who thinks she'd be some sort of FDR-esque crusader who bends Congress to her will is fooling themselves. I have no doubt that she'd try, but what makes anyone think her negotiating skill would be any better than Obama's?

A presidential debate between Romney and Warren would dry out the world's oceans.

# ? Oct 1, 2014 14:39

Zuhzuhzombie!!: Apr 17, 2008; FACTS ARE A CONSPIRACY BY THE CAPITALIST OPRESSOR

Alter Ego posted:

I'm a huge fan of Elizabeth Warren, but anyone who thinks she'd be some sort of FDR-esque crusader who bends Congress to her will is fooling themselves. I have no doubt that she'd try, but what makes anyone think her negotiating skill would be any better than Obama's?

And then there are people who think she'll be the Dem nominee in 2016.

# ? Oct 1, 2014 15:00

William Bear: Oct 26, 2012; "That's what they all say!"

I walk into a diner, and it turns out Rand Paul is here. One of his supporters just struck up a conversation with me with no prompting asking me what I thought about legal weed.

The dream lives on!

# ? Oct 1, 2014 15:05

SousaphoneColossus: Feb 16, 2004; There are a million reasons to ruin things.

Kalman posted:

What exactly do you think "standing up to the ratfuckers on the right and calling their bluff" will do re: basically any major political issue?

You're missing the point. The fantasy of a Democratic president swinging his balls around and making Republicans cower in fear is not really about achieving concrete political and economic improvements for the working class as much as providing emotional satisfaction to certain disgruntled left-liberals (see also: every instance of voting third party in national elections while putting in no effort to party-build on the local or state level).

# ? Oct 1, 2014 15:06

Joementum: May 23, 2004; jesus christ

William Bear posted:

I walk into a diner, and it turns out Rand Paul is here. One of his supporters just struck up a conversation with me with no prompting asking me what I thought about legal weed.

The dream lives on!

Wait until Rand takes a bite of his sandwich and mention that you're an undocumented immigrant.

# ? Oct 1, 2014 15:07

radical meme: Apr 17, 2009; by Fluffdaddy

Hodgepodge posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CX3px_Ivs44&t=96s

Basically this except she would grab the Ring before giving the speech.

You offer it to me freely? I do not deny that my heart has greatly desired this. In the place of a Dark Lord you would have a Queen! Not dark but beautiful and terrible as the Morn! Treacherous as the Seas! Stronger than the foundations of the Earth! All shall love me and despair!

Hillary 2016

William Bear posted:

I walk into a diner, and it turns out Rand Paul is here. One of his supporters just struck up a conversation with me with no prompting asking me what I thought about legal weed.

The dream lives on!

So if Rand sucked up the youth vote with his "legal weed" bullshit, would it be enough to put him over the top if he kept Mitt's numbers from 2012?

# ? Oct 1, 2014 15:12

Fried Chicken: Jan 9, 2011; Don't fry me, I'm no chicken!

Grouchio posted:

Vote Iron Lady 2016!

In other news, shouldn't we open the October thread?

I've got an OP, suggest your titles

# ? Oct 1, 2014 15:12

ufarn: May 30, 2009

Politico are now doing their "has x peaked?" story on a weekly basis: http://www.politico.com/story/2014/10/jeff-bezos-the-washington-post-111485.html.

# ? Oct 1, 2014 15:13

FlamingLiberal: Jan 18, 2009; Would you like to play a game?

One thing that has only been mentioned in passing is how badly sequestration and austerity cut the Secret Service's budget. I assume the GOP did that on purpose just because.

# ? Oct 1, 2014 15:16