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It's time for a proven leader, one with experience. Experience making sure America's energy reserves are secure. Experience fighting Islamic terrorism. Experience: it's what makes the difference, when the chips are down. When the birds are up; you want a man who's not worried about what's between him and his target. 
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I don't expect that Romney or Jeb will run unless something happens to Chris Christie in the next twelve months. I'm really looking forward to Gov. Tony Soprano vs. Senator Frostback vs... shoot, I forget the third guy.
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Oct 1, 2014 05:57
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FMguru posted:What's the logic behind a second run? What states will Mitt take in 2016 that he lost in 2012? The guy's primary qualification is that he was just soundly rejected by American voters last time around. It's not like that 47% tape is going to unhappen if he runs again. It's baffling. See I dunno. What if Mitt dumped tens of millions in 2013-2015 into philanthropy or something and tried to present himself as a changed man who was less out of touch. And also pointed to an unpopular Obama second term (because let's get real, his approvals aren't going up from facing off with a Republican Congress these next two years) and said "don't you wish you'd voted for me last time?". I mean, still a long shot, but I feel like a lot of Mitt Romney's problems in 2012 were pretty fixable. The catch is that the solution is more or less "change completely who you are" but then he did that once before successfully - in 2008 he was the "severe conservative" alternative to McCain and in 2012 he was the moderate alternative to Santorum. FMguru posted:Christie has more skeletons than a level 60 necromancer This is amazing.
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Oct 1, 2014 06:11
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All this talk about losers running and no-one mention's Grover Cleveland's nonconsecutive terms? For shame.
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Oct 1, 2014 06:16
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Jackson Taus posted:See I dunno. What if Mitt dumped tens of millions in 2013-2015 into philanthropy or something and tried to present himself as a changed man who was less out of touch. And also pointed to an unpopular Obama second term (because let's get real, his approvals aren't going up from facing off with a Republican Congress these next two years) and said "don't you wish you'd voted for me last time?". Mitt has already given more to charity than the Obamas have ever made in their lives. Doesn't help him cross the uncanny valley. Mitt is proof that Tricky Dick wouldn't be able to win in a modern environment.
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Oct 1, 2014 06:19
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Trabisnikof posted:Mitt has already given more to charity than the Obamas have ever made in their lives. Doesn't help him cross the uncanny valley. Mitt isn't as smart as Tricky Dick. by several orders of magnitude. Also Eric Hosmer's (KC Royals first basemen) dad was a firefighter, and it's clear that the self sacrifice involved in that profession rubbed off on his son. 3/10 (I lost a bet about the A's/Royals game)
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Oct 1, 2014 06:26
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Jackson Taus posted:See I dunno. What if Mitt dumped tens of millions in 2013-2015 into philanthropy or something and tried to present himself as a changed man who was less out of touch.
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Oct 1, 2014 06:29
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Skwirl posted:Mitt isn't as smart as Tricky Dick. by several orders of magnitude. Nixon may have been smart but he didn't get people. This is a man who didn't know women used cursed words until after elected president. Nixon couldn't survive the endless taped interactions with humans. That's what did Mitt in.
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Oct 1, 2014 06:31
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FMguru posted:Mitt's attitude seems to be that he doesn't need to change, he was right all along, now he's going to graciously give America a chance to make up for the huge mistake they made in 2012. Why should he change? Obama is the guy who sucked. I'm pretty sure Mitt isn't running again. Why would he need to, when one of his former partners wants to run?
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Oct 1, 2014 06:41
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FMguru posted:Romney ran for president literally non-stop from early 2007 to late 2012, but apparently he thinks Americans just need to see a little more of him to be won over. Obviously, what America needs is a businessman in the White House.
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Oct 1, 2014 10:25
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I wouldn't be sure that Obama will end his term as unpopular as he is now. Clinton's popularity stemmed from his republican congress.
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Oct 1, 2014 14:38
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:Clinton's popularity stemmed from his republican congress. Well, that plus (relative) peace and prosperity.
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Oct 1, 2014 15:04
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Who's lost the most times counting primaries? Stassen? Bryan? Can we Kount on Keyes in 2016???
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Oct 1, 2014 17:54
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De Nomolos posted:Who's lost the most times counting primaries? Stassen? Bryan? Can we Kount on Keyes in 2016??? Yup, for major party candidates Stassen holds the record with ten. LaRouche comes in second with eight. Henry Clay tried five times.
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Oct 1, 2014 18:00
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My Imaginary GF posted:I'm pretty sure Mitt isn't running again. Why would he need to, when one of his former partners wants to run? Well there's the ~*white horse prophesy*~ thing, for one. More seriously, for the same reason he tried the last two elections: an unthinking sense of being entitled to the highest office in the land by virtue of being really stinkin' rich and privileged. Ann was more vocal about this than he, but it was clearly his main motivation in 2008 and 2012.
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Oct 1, 2014 18:40
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Joementum posted:Yup, for major party candidates Stassen holds the record with ten. LaRouche comes in second with eight. Henry Clay tried five times. Someone spent 40 loving years running for president? That sounds like a punishment in hell for an ambitious and corrupt politician.
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Oct 1, 2014 18:40
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Why could Mitt run in 2016 but McCain didn't have a chance in 2012?
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Oct 1, 2014 18:44
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Skwirl posted:Someone spent 40 loving years running for president? That sounds like a punishment in hell for an ambitious and corrupt politician. Over fifty years, actually, since he didn't challenge incumbent Republican Presidents (except in 1984 and 1992 when he did). He also had multiple Gubernatorial, Senatorial, and Mayoral failed candidacies in several states.
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Oct 1, 2014 18:45
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Trabisnikof posted:Why could Mitt run in 2016 but McCain didn't have a chance in 2012? Because Romney hasn't lost to Clinton already, where in 2012 it'd be McCain against the guy that beat him last time around and unseating a sitting president is already hard enough.
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Oct 1, 2014 18:47
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Joementum posted:Over fifty years, actually, since he didn't challenge incumbent Republican Presidents (except in 1984 and 1992 when he did). He also had multiple Gubernatorial, Senatorial, and Mayoral failed candidacies in several states. That's just depressing.
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Oct 1, 2014 18:49
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Ain't no party like a Romney party 'cause a Romney party don't stop until midnight when the credit cards are cancelled
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Oct 1, 2014 19:11
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Eschers Basement posted:Ain't no party like a Romney party 'cause a Romney party don't stop until midnight when the credit cards are cancelled Yeah, here's something: if Romney runs again, can we get a camera crew to just follow his staff around? I want to know who signs up to work on Romney III.
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Oct 1, 2014 20:10
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Chantilly Say posted:Yeah, here's something: if Romney runs again, can we get a camera crew to just follow his staff around? I want to know who signs up to work on Romney III. One half mormons, one half the most opportunistic of the staffers. Its a sitcom that writes itself.
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Oct 1, 2014 20:15
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Skwirl posted:A Hillary v. Romney campaign feels like a race for second, who's the best of people who lost to Obama. Can McCain run third party?
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Oct 1, 2014 20:45
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Skwirl posted:Because Romney hasn't lost to Clinton already, where in 2012 it'd be McCain against the guy that beat him last time around and unseating a sitting president is already hard enough.  "I did that poo poo once, I don't want to do it again."
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Oct 1, 2014 21:16
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fade5 posted:Not only this, but age too. McCain was 72 in 2008, and there were already concerns about his age (plus Palin as VP compounding the "what happens if he dies" question). McCain was 76 in 2012, which would put him at 80 at the end of a hypothetical first term. Also, running a presidential campaign is loving exhausting, and McCain knows exactly what what it would entail. Basically: "I don't want to do that poo poo again." Yeah, I was going to mention the age thing but it seemed cruel, and though I doubt he's going to run for president, I think Jerry Brown is doing a bang up job as governor of California (or at least as good as could be expected with as dysfunctional a legislature as we have) and he's 76.
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Oct 1, 2014 21:21
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McCain wasn't just some old guy, he was an old guy who already had a history of medical problems. And can't give high fives.
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Oct 1, 2014 21:53
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Lemming posted:McCain wasn't just some old guy, he was an old guy who already had a history of medical problems. And can't give high fives. Not wishing to make light of McCain's torture-induced injuries in particular, why giving high-fives isn't already a requirement for high office already I'll never know.
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Oct 1, 2014 22:02
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Captain_Maclaine posted:Not wishing to make light of McCain's torture-induced injuries in particular, why giving high-fives isn't already a requirement for high office already I'll never know. Nah, it's all about the terrorist fist jab now. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/06/09/fox-anchor-calls-obama-fi_n_106027.html
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Oct 1, 2014 22:40
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If you enjoy Presidential primary politics, you will probably enjoy the documentary Caucus, which is now available for streaming on Netflix. Here's the trailer. https://vimeo.com/71855931 This documentary is fairly sympathetic to Santorum, which is understandable because I think only he and Michele allowed them full coverage of their events and there's an obvious narrative arc with Santorum coming from last place to win the Iowa Caucus. There is also a scene where Ron Paul struggles to close a car door.
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Oct 2, 2014 03:09
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Awesome, the baseball game went to poo poo, so I will be watching that documentary tonight!
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Oct 2, 2014 03:12
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OctoberBlues posted:Awesome, the baseball game went to poo poo, so I will be watching that documentary tonight!
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Oct 2, 2014 03:20
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Joementum posted:If you enjoy Presidential primary politics, you will probably enjoy the documentary Caucus, which is now available for streaming on Netflix. Here's the trailer. While not necessarily informative, this was entertaining as hell. There's a glorious scene of Rick Perry foreshadowing his own debate demise. edit: and yeah, Santorum actually sounds sane in this documentary. i am the bird fucked around with this message at 20:16 on Oct 2, 2014 |
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Oct 2, 2014 20:12
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Naet posted:While not necessarily informative, this was entertaining as hell. There's a glorious scene of Rick Perry foreshadowing his own debate demise. And of course, it's nowhere to be found on the Dutch Netflix 
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Oct 2, 2014 20:42
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I had forgotten just how much play they got out of the "Obama uses teleprompters" nonsense. I also appreciate how it profiles some of the many stupid pieces of poo poo who live in Iowa. I love the old man that's like "I have sleep apnea! something something, I hate Mexicans! Build a fence!"
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Oct 2, 2014 22:38
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Skwirl posted:Because Romney hasn't lost to Clinton already, where in 2012 it'd be McCain against the guy that beat him last time around and unseating a sitting president is already hard enough. I still wonder how well Candidate McCain 2000 would've done in 2008. It's hard to imagine the answer isn't "much better" and unlike 2012 he could've still got the nomination as a dreaded
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Oct 3, 2014 11:49
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I dunno. Remember, when they heard about him making a sane, reasonable pick for an experienced VP, they hated it and demanded a crazy lady who lived in the snow looking at Russia.
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Oct 3, 2014 12:56
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Fulchrum posted:I dunno. Remember, when they heard about him making a sane, reasonable pick for an experienced VP, they hated it and demanded a crazy lady who lived in the snow looking at Russia. Romney was never going to be VP. He's got too big of an ego. McCain wanted Lieberman, and his people told him, "lol, no." Then the other serious choices were Tim Pawlenty and Huckabee. Pawlenty would probably have been the best choice because he's solid, but also boring enough to fill that slot. Huckabee was too square, and would have made the ticket feel like Grumpy Old Men.
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Oct 3, 2014 13:51
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Oh, I do declare!  quote:In a recent, hour-long interview, Lindsey Graham said if he is reelected to the Senate in November, he will begin exploring a bid for the presidency.
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Oct 3, 2014 13:54
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quote:Unlike many of his colleagues, Graham often first seeks to engage the administration privately as it debates policy with the hope that he can help shape the outcome rather than just criticize it after the fact. By privately coming to them with the same criticism he would have after the fact?
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