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Pilchenstein posted:You're asking me? All I remember is the pirate ship. There were quite a few TOS episodes that were just "We have access to the studio backlot, costumes and props." But yeah, a big problem with the Federation is that they don't seem to have any actual culture of their own. There's no "modern" music, art, literature or frankly any kind of entertainment at all that isn't just a rehash.
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muscles like this? posted:But yeah, a big problem with the Federation is that they don't seem to have any actual culture of their own. There's no "modern" music, art, literature or frankly any kind of entertainment at all that isn't just a rehash. Makes perfect sense to me, we're already there
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muscles like this? posted:But yeah, a big problem with the Federation is that they don't seem to have any actual culture of their own. There's no "modern" music, art, literature or frankly any kind of entertainment at all that isn't just a rehash. Nah, there is, it's just not shown much. One episode of Voyager has the Doctor's holodeck kid listening to Klingon metal. A TOS writer's bible basically said "Don't do too much future poo poo, or the audience can't relate, humans probably won't even look human by this show's era".
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Oct 2, 2014 00:14
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theironjef posted:Just the Sisko, whose dedication to a 500 year old sport is incredible. I love that the rules of baseball survived an apocalypse,a cultural dead period, and a eugenics war unchanged. Or maybe they didn't and he's just a weird 20th century purist (who am I kidding, every major character is a weird 20th century afficionado, even the aliens and the robots). The baseball thing actually is treated as an unusual and obscure interest on the show. Of course all the other humans basically have their own obscure historical interests. I do get what you're saying though. The problem referencing culture from between when the show was written and when it takes place is that it requires you to basically invent a sport, musical genre etc. that is not stupid. It's also a fictional cultural reference so it's essentially meaningless to the audience. Sisko being into baseball, jazz and traditional New Orleans food is just going to be more meaningful than a bunch of made up bullshit. That TNG clip I posted is basically the stupidest poo poo ever and it's goofiness completely undercuts the drama intended to be in the scene. DS9 had better writing so they avoid that by having the characters be into actual things that have cultural significance to the viewer and tossing in a few lines about how it's an obscure interest here and there. They do whip up the made-up bullshit on occasion but it's usually in light scenes where they can have fun with the absurdity of it. The show Farscape is about a Human pulled to the other side of the galaxy so outside of that character making references that no one else understands they basically have to make up everything. It's pretty great but it's incredibly disorienting to the viewer. It had/has a really cult following as a result.
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Oct 2, 2014 00:39
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Pilchenstein posted:I loved how they'd run out of money for cgi spaceships and just do an episode where everybody was in period costume, loving about on the holodeck. To be fair, if you asked me to describe the plot of an episode, I can't remember a single one except "they dicked about on a pirate ship?" so I guess that one is my favourite. Isn't the pirate ship actually in Generations? One of the movies, anyway; Worf had been promoted and he was getting hazed by being made to walk the plank on the holodeck.
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Oct 2, 2014 01:01
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muscles like this? posted:There were quite a few TOS episodes that were just "We have access to the studio backlot, costumes and props." Bottle episodes. A good example of these is the Nazi episodes of Voyager.
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Jedit posted:Isn't the pirate ship actually in Generations? One of the movies, anyway; Worf had been promoted and he was getting hazed by being made to walk the plank on the holodeck.
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Oct 2, 2014 02:04
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They play a lot with Data not understanding emotions or humor, but it always seems weird that he doesn't get what anyone is saying. He speaks every language and has complete knowledge of everything in the magic computer. there's no reason he wouldn't know what some old word means. Is there anyone that enjoys loving with the holograms? Like loading up Sherlock Holmes but then going "check out my crazy laser gun and tv screens. I'm from the future and you don't exist!" Cause that seems like it would be fun.
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Oct 2, 2014 02:26
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Dr_Amazing posted:They play a lot with Data not understanding emotions or humor, but it always seems weird that he doesn't get what anyone is saying. He speaks every language and has complete knowledge of everything in the magic computer. there's no reason he wouldn't know what some old word means. I think they did a good job with that, he generally understood the words but not the context they were used in. Someone would bust out a random phrase like 'thats one way to skin a cat' and he'd ask, why would one skin a cat. How is that applicable to a warp core breach.
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Oct 2, 2014 02:30
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Pilchenstein posted:It's entirely possible that I actually remember the plot of no episodes then. Unless you count the one where Picard draws a horse playing a saxophone. That was Data. Have a playlist. Edit: God drat it I'm a moron. I was thinking of the football player. Here's PicArt. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p7jbP1_H9sA Pidmon has a new favorite as of 03:28 on Oct 2, 2014 |
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Supreme Allah posted:I think they did a good job with that, he generally understood the words but not the context they were used in. Someone would bust out a random phrase like 'thats one way to skin a cat' and he'd ask, why would one skin a cat. How is that applicable to a warp core breach. How is it he wasn't programmed with a library of idioms, that's the thing. If nothing else it should have been easy to program him with a subroutine of "if someone says something that sounds like unrelated nonsense, that's probably an idiom. Just ask them what they mean instead of adorably pointing out that there isn't any local water or even a horse to lead to it."
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Oct 2, 2014 03:42
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While it might not be reasonable for Data to learn every species' idioms it's goddamn stupid to not teach/program English ones into him. There's also the problem that by TNG it's not like he's just been turned on, he'd been active for quite a while and still acted like he had no clue as to simple conventions.
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Oct 2, 2014 03:45
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Stupid as it may be, it was an explained plot point that Soong intentionally made Data "roboty" and autistic. He cannot say contractions because he was made that way. Not understanding idioms is like the unrealistic skin and eyes - Soong could do all those things, and did, just not with Data. Don't get me started with B4.
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Oct 2, 2014 03:58
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muscles like this? posted:also the problem that by TNG it's not like he's just been turned on, he'd been active for quite a while and still acted like he had no clue as to simple conventions. Yeah, you'd think by the time he'd graduated the Academy he would have crossed most of those bridges, especially the whole 'is he property?' thing. It's hard to believe Starfleet would accept, graduate, and promote someone/thing before ever considering whether or not it was their property. Though it is possible he ran through the entire curriculum in two hours and the guy who was incharge of his file got stuck in a time loop or alternate dimension. That probably happens a lot.
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Aggressive pricing posted:Yeah, you'd think by the time he'd graduated the Academy he would have crossed most of those bridges, especially the whole 'is he property?' thing. It's hard to believe Starfleet would accept, graduate, and promote someone/thing before ever considering whether or not it was their property. Though it is possible he ran through the entire curriculum in two hours and the guy who was incharge of his file got stuck in a time loop or alternate dimension. That probably happens a lot. The show seems to always show that everyone in Starfleet not on the USS Enterprise is a total moron or a power thirsty war monger. There is nothing besides those.
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Oct 2, 2014 06:33
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kazil posted:The show seems to always show that everyone in Starfleet not on the USS Enterprise is a total moron or a power thirsty war monger. There is nothing besides those. gently caress you Admiral Nechayev was cool, and that other admiral was only power hungry because he had a mindcontrol cockroach in his brainstem (and got his head blown up for that)
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Oct 2, 2014 08:07
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muscles like this? posted:While it might not be reasonable for Data to learn every species' idioms it's goddamn stupid to not teach/program English ones into him. There's also the problem that by TNG it's not like he's just been turned on, he'd been active for quite a while and still acted like he had no clue as to simple conventions. Apparently people were just treating him as a dumb machine (like the ship's computer) before he got onboard the enterprise.
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Where is pretty weird on it's own since Starfleet has like 50 different aliens, and they keep running into living rocks, intelligent slime and talking blackholes. A robot that has trouble with contractions shouldn't be that hard to relate too.
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Dr_Amazing posted:They play a lot with Data not understanding emotions or humor, but it always seems weird that he doesn't get what anyone is saying. He speaks every language and has complete knowledge of everything in the magic computer. there's no reason he wouldn't know what some old word means. They literally did exactly that episode. Moriarty worked out what was going on and took over the holodeck because they asked the computer to make a suitable opponent for Data (who was playing Holmes), who was basically going into all the Holmes simulations and calling them within seconds of seeing the body, or some poo poo. The computer could literally create, on demand, in a few seconds, a programme more advanced and intelligent than the basically-magic android, which was powerful enough that the computer then *lost the ability to shut it down*. Sometimes the Star Trek writers were so loving lazy.; Didn't stop me watching though.
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thespaceinvader posted:They literally did exactly that episode. Moriarty worked out what was going on and took over the holodeck because they asked the computer to make a suitable opponent for Data (who was playing Holmes), who was basically going into all the Holmes simulations and calling them within seconds of seeing the body, or some poo poo.
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Oct 2, 2014 10:25
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thespaceinvader posted:The computer could literally create, on demand, in a few seconds, a programme more advanced and intelligent than the basically-magic android, which was powerful enough that the computer then *lost the ability to shut it down*. It's pretty much the "can God create a rock so heavy he can't lift it" conundrum, but with space computers.
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Oct 2, 2014 10:48
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WeAreTheRomans posted:gently caress you Admiral Nechayev was cool, and that other admiral was only power hungry because he had a mindcontrol cockroach in his brainstem (and got his head blown up for that) That was such an odd episode. 
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ultrabindu posted:That was such an odd episode. If i remember right, it was going to be a recurring plotline (rooting out who was an undercover alien and whatnot,) but they decided to drop it. And I agree re: the holodeck and sentience. Everyone goes on about Data being so high and mighty, but even the most basic, throw-away hologram appears quite capable of human emotion.
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Oct 2, 2014 12:17
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Aggressive pricing posted:Yeah, you'd think by the time he'd graduated the Academy he would have crossed most of those bridges, especially the whole 'is he property?' thing. It's hard to believe Starfleet would accept, graduate, and promote someone/thing before ever considering whether or not it was their property. Though it is possible he ran through the entire curriculum in two hours and the guy who was incharge of his file got stuck in a time loop or alternate dimension. That probably happens a lot. They really should have changed the backstory to Data being found either on the show or right before it started. They could have even done a plot where he shoots up through the early ranks where it's all technical knowledge and getting stymied once he hits a level where he's involved with commanding those under him.
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DrBouvenstein posted:And I agree re: the holodeck and sentience. Everyone goes on about Data being so high and mighty, but even the most basic, throw-away hologram appears quite capable of human emotion. Most of them are supposed to be just faking it. They're not actually sentient any more than the characters in a modern video game are, they're just programmed to respond in ways that make them seem like they are. But Moriarty is explicitly different, to the extent that he somehow remains conscious even when his program isn't running. Which makes no sense, but there you go.
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DrBouvenstein posted:If i remember right, it was going to be a recurring plotline (rooting out who was an undercover alien and whatnot,) but they decided to drop it. They were also the original version of the Borg but they changed their mind and made them machines instead. I heard that one of the books explains these guys away as like an evil offshoot of the Trill.
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muscles like this? posted:They were also the original version of the Borg but they changed their mind and made them machines instead. I heard that one of the books explains these guys away as like an evil offshoot of the Trill. I thought it was supposed to be a coupe by some internal faction, then Roddenberry threw a poo poo fit, because humans have evolved past things like ambition, and the writters pulled some mind control aliens out their collective rear end.
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Tiggum posted:The best thing about that is that Soong was apparently such an incredible genius that he was the only one who could figure out how to create a sentient android and no one else ever managed to replicate it, then the Enterprise crew discover that all you actually need to do is tell the holodeck computer to make one and it just will, but no one seems to realise how significant that is or follow up on it at all. Sure, Moriarty couldn't leave the holodeck, but since replicators exist you'd think it would be relatively straight-forward to basically manufacture sentient robots. Or even living people if you wanted. TBF, manufactuing sentient androids was already easy before that episode. You put Data on the transporter and don't delete the original. They manufactured duplicates of crew members at least three times across various series, including a version of Riker that went off and joined the Maquis.
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Tiggum posted:The best thing about that is that Soong was apparently such an incredible genius that he was the only one who could figure out how to create a sentient android and no one else ever managed to replicate it, then the Enterprise crew discover that all you actually need to do is tell the holodeck computer to make one and it just will, but no one seems to realise how significant that is or follow up on it at all. Sure, Moriarty couldn't leave the holodeck, but since replicators exist you'd think it would be relatively straight-forward to basically manufacture sentient robots. Or even living people if you wanted. Moriarty's brain was the enterprise computer, though, which is bigger than my house. Take a look at a schematic of the Enterprise-D, if you feel like being a huge nerd, and see that the computer core is like ten decks tall or something. That data's brain fits into a human-sized head is what's amazing about him, not that he's an AI.
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Trent posted:Stupid as it may be, it was an explained plot point that Soong intentionally made Data "roboty" and autistic. He cannot say contractions because he was made that way. Not understanding idioms is like the unrealistic skin and eyes - Soong could do all those things, and did, just not with Data. The robot that can do all those things was evil. That gets me to one of many problems I had with Nemesis. Why did they put B4 together? The last time they did that the result was Lore and he wanted to kill everyone.
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Lagomorphic posted:The baseball thing actually is treated as an unusual and obscure interest on the show. Of course all the other humans basically have their own obscure historical interests. I do get what you're saying though. The problem referencing culture from between when the show was written and when it takes place is that it requires you to basically invent a sport, musical genre etc. that is not stupid. It's also a fictional cultural reference so it's essentially meaningless to the audience. Sisko being into baseball, jazz and traditional New Orleans food is just going to be more meaningful than a bunch of made up bullshit. The DS9 stuff generally had analogues to modern things that made sense. Dabo is kind of like roulette, Racquetball looks just like future squash etc.. so you are pretty willing to just accept it. Anbo jytsu or however you spell it is just retarded and isnt even what we would consider a martial art.. Unless it went through warp 10 and thats how it evolved into that.
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thespaceinvader posted:TBF, manufactuing sentient androids was already easy before that episode. You put Data on the transporter and don't delete the original. They manufactured duplicates of crew members at least three times across various series, including a version of Riker that went off and joined the Maquis. Trent posted:Moriarty's brain was the enterprise computer, though, which is bigger than my house. Take a look at a schematic of the Enterprise-D, if you feel like being a huge nerd, and see that the computer core is like ten decks tall or something. That data's brain fits into a human-sized head is what's amazing about him, not that he's an AI.
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Your Gay Uncle posted:The Craster's Keep fight was even worse. Yeah but then everyone survives except the traitor, so joke's on you Mr. Strategist.
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ultrabindu posted:That was such an odd episode. Memories I have before age 8: Berlin wall falling on my 5th birthday First day of school The events of this GIF
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Tiggum posted:But wasn't Moriarty transferred entirely into that little cube that Picard leaves on his desk and forgets about? Also, I'm pretty sure that Vic Fontaine from DS9 was sentient as well and contained entirely within one of Quark's holosuites. And the emergency medical holograms seem to either be sentient or become sentient if left running long enough. I'm not sure if they're part of the main computer or not though. the cube wasn't completely explained. It could have still been running off the enterprise computer, but it may have been self-contained. Perhaps once he was created, it took less power to keep him going? It's not clear what Vic was, either, but Quarks' holosuites were linked to the whole station's computer and once held the minds of several crewmembers who got lost in the transporter buffer. The Doctor's program got so big that they had to delete/overwrite the other major hologram in the computer to contain him, and Voyager surely represented a leap in computer power compared to the Ent-D what with the BIONEURALGELPACKS and all.
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WeAreTheRomans posted:Memories I have before age 8: I was so excited to be watching TNG and in that episode the critter they were carrying around was in the same TRAPPER KEEPER thing that I had for school that year! It was so exciting and awesome and then BOOM exploding guy and bloody chest cavity
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DeathFromAbove1988 posted:If you'd like to see a fight between two Big Guys done right... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Blki-DISUis One of my absolute favorite scenes from one of my absolute favorite TV shows. I have to say that Al Swearengen was my favorite character, Ian McShane brought him to life with such conviction and depth that you just can't help but hate and love him. quote:Golden Globe Award for Best Actor – Television Series Drama drat straight, and he really should have won all of them. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2RWE8gk6uhE But this is not the "totally awesome characters in awesome TV shows", this is the irritating poo poo thread. I'll echo the WTF of the whole maze thing in The Maze Runner, and add that I found the evil mustache-twirling overlord lady at the end to be unbearably campy and doing a massive exposition dump right at the end. What they're doing is practically something Dr. Evil could have come up with, it's that dumb. The rest of the movie was really pretty good, and I totally dig the whole "unexplained massive possibly ancient structure with an unknown purpose that we have to live in the shadow of" thing it's got going on, but the ending pretty much just shat all over it. It turn it into a milquetoast young adult version of Cube. KozmoNaut has a new favorite as of 19:01 on Oct 3, 2014 |
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Seeing all the Toph avatars reminded me. Aang is a cute and fun-loving kid, even after the end of the series. And then there is Legend of Korra, which timeskips, what, sixty years or so? We only see Aang in flashbacks. And during flashbacks it reveals he turned into a pretty racist douche when it came to his three kids, a nonbender, a waterbender, and an airbender. To the point he would only take his airbending son off to all of these holy temples and sites and teach him history, to the point no one in any of those places had any IDEA he had other kids. Aang was so wrapped in making sure his culture survived he alienated two of his three kids and treated the one special bender as, well, the most important person ever. gently caress, even Ozai didn't treat Azula like that. She was special but she wasn't THAT important to him. Azula was the favorite child but we weren't supposed to LIKE Ozai the way we did Aang.
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Most fans are split on it but I think Legend of Korra isn't very good and I like to pretend it doesn't exist.
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Gaunab posted:Most fans are split on it but I think Legend of Korra isn't very good and I like to pretend it doesn't exist. The first two seasons are terrible but give the third one a chance, it's back up to the same quality as the original.
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