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While it is funny how people flip out over it (and kind of annoying because some podcasts can't get over telling you how much they hate the names), I do hope that they allow more descriptive deck names than COLORS (AGGRO:TEMPO:MIDRANGE:CONTROL), because otherwise deck names are gonna get really, really samey, really really fast.
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I think Jeskai and Mardu are upgrades on the terms we had before, Sultai and Temur aren't, and Abzan is kind of a wash (Junk is one syllable and catchier, however it's stupid nonsense and doesn't mean anything except that it tumbled out of Adrian Sullivan's dusty old noggin at some point around the turn of the millennium). Making a unilateral decision to use all of the clan names in coverage and writing smacks of goofy brand jockeying but at the same time it's hard to empathize with someone who's upset that new words are being 'forced on them'. In short the clan names are a land of contrasts,
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Lord Of Texas posted:I definitely agree with Paulo on the naming of "Jeskai Tempo". Is it called that because aggro with blue must = tempo to some? To me the deck isn't Tempo unless we're calling Zoo "Naya Tempo" now. How would it be aggro either?
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Oct 2, 2014 15:15
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Yawgmoth posted:I think it's hilarious in a "look at that America is the dumbest thing to shoehorn into a deck name, the correct name is clearly Liberia or France.
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Oct 2, 2014 15:16
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dork" kinda way. Sure, BUG and RUG have been around forever, but RWU has been "America" since its inception too. Throwing a hissy fit over deck naming is minuscule at best and sounds like the kind of thing I'd expect someone who gets mad about being offered a handshake to bitch about.
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Sickening posted:How would it be aggro either? It's got efficient creatures to beat down with and burn spells for reach. Jeskai Aggro or Jeskai Burn are definitely the names I'd give that deck depending on its precise configuration, according to the [Color Combination] [Macro-Archetype] name scheme. Jeskai Midrange isn't indefensible either but even the classically midrangey cards like removal and Planeswalkers largely exists to clear blockers rather than to establish board control.
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Oct 2, 2014 15:18
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The people who still try to use the old Apocalypse names actually kinda annoy me now. Those names barely exist. They're on like 4 cards each and weren't even close to pushed. Hardly anybody used them anyway. Quit being weird, guy at my shop, you're like 20, you weren't even around for those old names.
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Cactrot posted:America is the dumbest thing to shoehorn into a deck name, the correct name is clearly Liberia or France.  (when I played those colors I alternated between Russia, New Zealand, and Iceland)
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The Lord of Hats posted:While it is funny how people flip out over it (and kind of annoying because some podcasts can't get over telling you how much they hate the names), I do hope that they allow more descriptive deck names than COLORS (AGGRO:TEMPO:MIDRANGE:CONTROL), because otherwise deck names are gonna get really, really samey, really really fast. Temurous Beasties Crouching Goblin, Leaping Mantis Hungry, Hungry Hydras We can do this, people.
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Oct 2, 2014 15:31
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Mezzanon posted:I have a Foil Miscut Pearl Lake Ancient, but no Tromokratis, sorry pm sent
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I used to call my Standard goblins deck 'The Red Army.' It never stuck. I also lost a lot.
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Cernunnos posted:The people who still try to use the old Apocalypse names actually kinda annoy me now. Use of the Apocalypse wedge names probably about tripled when nerds realized they needed them to more effectively display their impotent rage over the KTK wedge names. Nobody calls WBR anything special, but try telling them it's Mardu and suddenly gently caress you it's Dega get over it.
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I need a snappy name for my Mardu deck that ends up dealing me an obnoxious amount of damage. I'm thinking, Assisted Suicide, or perhaps the more contemporary Death with Dignity?
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Hopping Ghost posted:Use of the Apocalypse wedge names probably about tripled when nerds realized they needed them to more effectively display their impotent rage over the KTK wedge names. Nobody calls WBR anything special, but try telling them it's Mardu and suddenly gently caress you it's Dega get over it. Mardu seems like one of the better ones to be honest. Everyone I know seems fine with it. Temur is the one people don't like.
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Entropic posted:Mardu seems like one of the better ones to be honest. Everyone I know seems fine with it. Temur is the one people don't like. Thats because they're 12 and wanna laugh at "RUG Delver." I don't blame them.
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You can still put silly deck names down but for coverage reasons they won't display that and instead display [color(s)] [strategy]. Those Jeskai "Tempo" decks probably had different names but were put up as Tempo because that's what they looked like to someone somehow. I would have probably called them Burn decks myself. They're not quite aggressive enough to call Aggro and aren't quite controlling enough to call a real Tempo deck. Tempo from my understanding is all about "get my important creature out and protect it while stalling/slowing down my opponents game with counters and removal" like Delver decks.
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Oct 2, 2014 15:49
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The Rock and His Millions remains king of deck names
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Entropic posted:Mardu seems like one of the better ones to be honest. Everyone I know seems fine with it. Temur is the one people don't like. Yeah Mardu works, but what else would you expect, it's a strictly better Time Walk than Dega. TicalStal posted:Texas Tempo North Carolina Control  edit-I think I will name the next UWR control deck I make Carolina Control. I like the ring it has, and it will allow me to argue about barbecue with anyone. Madmarker fucked around with this message at 15:56 on Oct 2, 2014 |
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Cactrot posted:America is the dumbest thing to shoehorn into a deck name, the correct name is clearly Liberia or France. Texas Tempo 
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Hang on, let me pull out my list of countries with Red, White, and Blue flags... I'm playing... Luxembourg Control. 
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Cernunnos posted:Hang on, let me pull out my list of countries with Red, White, and Blue flags... Forget Esper control, I'm running Botswana Control!
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Oct 2, 2014 15:57
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mehall posted:Forget Esper control, I'm running Botswana Control! Temur is now Azerbaijani Midrange.
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Bread Set Jettison posted:The Rock and His Millions remains king of deck names As far as old timey deck names go I've always been partial to The Baron Harkonnen.
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Cactrot posted:Temur is now Azerbaijani Midrange. Bonus points for sounding like Abzan.
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Cernunnos posted:Hang on, let me pull out my list of countries with Red, White, and Blue flags... So are we to take it that when they say Naya Superfriends, they mean Republic of Abkhazia Superfriends?
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Cernunnos posted:You can still put silly deck names down but for coverage reasons they won't display that and instead display [color(s)] [strategy]. Those Jeskai "Tempo" decks probably had different names but were put up as Tempo because that's what they looked like to someone somehow. I also think they are more on the side of burn than any other particular archetype. It runs the most efficient burn, and backs it up with creatures that try to push efficient value. Id love it if someone tries pushing swiftspears and seeing how it goes, I decided against bringing this to Worcester after I saw painlands being the same price as shocks.
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InterrupterJones posted:So are we to take it that when they say Naya Superfriends, they mean Republic of Abkhazia Superfriends? I'm sorry, but it's clearly Bulgaria Superfriends! [/patriotism]
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Petition yo change Naya deck names to Italy or Mexico
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Cernunnos posted:Hang on, let me pull out my list of countries with Red, White, and Blue flags... Hold on, do I get put on a list if I play North Korean Aggro? What if I open some bombs in draft? EDIT: Im probably on a list now.
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I really regret not playing Brandenburg Burn while Boros charm was in standard.
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Pyronic posted:Hold on, do I get put on a list if I play North Korean Aggro? What if I open some bombs in draft? Remember, for drafting you got to use BREAD! Bombs Remove Europeans And Democrats. BREAD!
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Lord Of Texas posted:I definitely agree with Paulo on the naming of "Jeskai Tempo". Is it called that because aggro with blue must = tempo to some? To me the deck isn't Tempo unless we're calling Zoo "Naya Tempo" now. I think it's one of those instances where the longstanding equivalence of "tempo deck" and "aggro-control deck" falls apart. It's certainly a deck that thrives on tempo. It just does it by being an aggressive/burn deck with a couple tools that confound the other guy's ability to have an accurate sense of what the clock is (Deflecting Palm, Jeskai Charm.)
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EDIT: Huh, I'm an idiot, I was wondering why this didn't show up in the Brewhaus thread, I assumed the airport wifi hosed up. My bad.
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Entropic posted:Bonus points for sounding like Abzan. Which also makes it geographically thematic with the overall set, I suppose.
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I have no clue what "tempo" even means in terms of a deck or a card. 
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Angry Grimace posted:I have no clue what "tempo" even means in terms of a deck or a card. Its a pretty nebulous term, but it essentially means inhibiting your opponents board development while developing your own board. Bounce spells are a pretty standard tempo card because not only are you denying your opponent the use of the creature, you also make your opponent decide between recasting the card or casting something larger which ties up their mana. Tempo decks make sure they have the cards they want, when they want them, while denying your opponent that chance. Then you just beat them in the damage race because you have a better board state. At least thats how I've understood it. I may be way wrong here.
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To my understanding, tempo is a temporary board advantage, often gained by sacrificing a long term advantage. For example, Dark Ritual is -1 card advantage but it's a great tempo play because it lets you get a big man fast. Bouncing a creature is also a loss of card advantage but can be good for obvious reasons. I'm not sure what a tempo deck is, though, unless it actually is just "aggro, but you play bounce spells"
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Yawgmoth posted:Why do you hate FREEDOM I always went for Dutch Control, always took a while for others to find out what I was playing. One guy even told me that orange wasn't a colour 
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The Lord of Hats posted:While it is funny how people flip out over it (and kind of annoying because some podcasts can't get over telling you how much they hate the names), I do hope that they allow more descriptive deck names than COLORS (AGGRO:TEMPO:MIDRANGE:CONTROL), because otherwise deck names are gonna get really, really samey, really really fast. I'm really trying to push RUG Walkers as "Frontier Walkers" It's not working. 
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Bread Set Jettison posted:The Rock and His Millions remains king of deck names Hulk Gets Crabs 
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Angry Grimace posted:I have no clue what "tempo" even means in terms of a deck or a card. Tempo is Blue Aggro, the same way Sligh is Red Aggro and Stompy is Green Aggro. Sligh plays burn, which can cut blockers or go to dome; Stompy plays pump spells, which can cut removal or go to dome (or maybe slam a blocker); Tempo plays countermagic, which cuts removal and sometimes blockers. Mix and match depending on format to get Zoo, UR Delver, etc. All these decks want to dominate the board for the first 3-6 turns, after which time they tend to run out of cards, but hopefully the opponent is dead by then. The only reason Tempo is thought of as separate from Aggro, is because it tends to play noncreature spells that can't directly convert to damage; this means the more Tempo you have in your build, the slower you tend to be playing. EDIT: Why do I ever post in this thread without quoting who I'm responding to?
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