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Endless Mike
Aug 13, 2003



I thought SMS handoff worked regardless, but calling was what it turned off. I'll have to see if it's even enabled on Public Beta 4 and works on my 2011 MBA. I'm seriously considering getting the next MBA just to get those features.

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badjohny
Oct 6, 2005



Endless Mike posted:

I thought SMS handoff worked regardless, but calling was what it turned off. I'll have to see if it's even enabled on Public Beta 4 and works on my 2011 MBA. I'm seriously considering getting the next MBA just to get those features.

I thought it was both. I just tried calling handoffs and it is disabled if wifi calling is enabled. So maybe you are right.

Endless Mike
Aug 13, 2003



I think what people have kind of figured is happening is that it's sending SMS over iCloud to iMessages on both Macs and iPads if you have an iPad, but phone calls get funneled over local wifi, hence wifi calling disabling calling handoff, while they just disabled the SMS feature for 8.0 since Yosemite is not out yet. I could be wrong, though.

AlternateAccount
Apr 25, 2005
FYGM
Yeah, if iCloud didn't back up user data, then all it would store would be your Settings, music, photos and a list of what apps to redownload.

Grassy Knowles
Apr 4, 2003

"The original Terminator was a gritty fucking AMAZING piece of sci-fi. Gritty fucking rock-hard MURDER!"

Choadmaster posted:

This is 100% wrong; the only thing iCloud won't back up is passwords and stuff that app developers specifically mark as not needing backup (poo poo that can be redownloaded, like a Twitter cache). I backup and restore from iCloud on a regular basis and never lose anything. It's fine. Either his restore was incomplete or the apps without data expect to redownload it themselves when he logs in to them.

Edit: I'm just sitting here :psyduck: trying to figure out what you think iCloud backup does if it doesn't back up user data.

I think by "user information" s/he means login/pass details.

Clocks
Oct 2, 2007



I don't know where to post, but...

I'm on a 5s and stupidly upgraded to the newest iOS or whatever yesterday. Since then I've been loving miserable. A lot of the apps and games I have that used to work fine before are a laggy mess, everything is taking longer to load, connectivity is poor in general... and it's obviously the update, since I wasn't having any issues whatsoever before I decided to stupidly update my phone. Not to mention things like notifications 'sticking' (unless I hit the home button, I guess) and all that jazz. And from what I can tell, it's not possible to revert to older versions since Apple is no longer signing for them?

What do I do?? Wait it out? It's driving me crazy.

spaced ninja
Apr 10, 2009


Toilet Rascal

Kaizoku posted:

I think by "user information" s/he means login/pass details.

Yeah I probably should have said "login information" instead.

Jose Oquendo
Jun 20, 2004

Star Trek: The Motion Picture is a boring movie

Clocks posted:

I don't know where to post, but...

I'm on a 5s and stupidly upgraded to the newest iOS or whatever yesterday. Since then I've been loving miserable. A lot of the apps and games I have that used to work fine before are a laggy mess, everything is taking longer to load, connectivity is poor in general... and it's obviously the update, since I wasn't having any issues whatsoever before I decided to stupidly update my phone. Not to mention things like notifications 'sticking' (unless I hit the home button, I guess) and all that jazz. And from what I can tell, it's not possible to revert to older versions since Apple is no longer signing for them?

What do I do?? Wait it out? It's driving me crazy.

Wait for 8.1 and for the developers for your buggy apps to fix them.

Endless Mike
Aug 13, 2003



Clocks posted:

I don't know where to post, but...

I'm on a 5s and stupidly upgraded to the newest iOS or whatever yesterday. Since then I've been loving miserable. A lot of the apps and games I have that used to work fine before are a laggy mess, everything is taking longer to load, connectivity is poor in general... and it's obviously the update, since I wasn't having any issues whatsoever before I decided to stupidly update my phone. Not to mention things like notifications 'sticking' (unless I hit the home button, I guess) and all that jazz. And from what I can tell, it's not possible to revert to older versions since Apple is no longer signing for them?

What do I do?? Wait it out? It's driving me crazy.

You could try restoring, since that doesn't sound right. My 5s works fine on iOS8 other than some apps that were crashing when it first launched. Alternatively, wait for apps to update.

carry on then
Jul 10, 2010

by VideoGames

(and can't post for 10 years!)

Clocks posted:

I don't know where to post, but...

I'm on a 5s and stupidly upgraded to the newest iOS or whatever yesterday. Since then I've been loving miserable. A lot of the apps and games I have that used to work fine before are a laggy mess, everything is taking longer to load, connectivity is poor in general... and it's obviously the update, since I wasn't having any issues whatsoever before I decided to stupidly update my phone. Not to mention things like notifications 'sticking' (unless I hit the home button, I guess) and all that jazz. And from what I can tell, it's not possible to revert to older versions since Apple is no longer signing for them?

What do I do?? Wait it out? It's driving me crazy.

Your install sounds botched. Restore (first from backup, then fresh) and see if your problems persist.

ScarletBrother
Nov 2, 2004
So my 6+ arrives today. Should I keep it on 8.0 and not update?

mAlfunkti0n
May 19, 2004
Fallen Rib
What's the word on the official Apple leather case for the 6? Love it / hate it?

ScarletBrother posted:

So my 6+ arrives today. Should I keep it on 8.0 and not update?

I'm running 8.0.2 just fine on my 6.

nerdrum
Aug 17, 2007

where am I

mAlfunkti0n posted:

What's the word on the official Apple leather case for the 6? Love it / hate it?

I absolutely love my whorehouse red one. Feels much better than the silicone one.

Star War Sex Parrot
Oct 2, 2003

ScarletBrother posted:

So my 6+ arrives today. Should I keep it on 8.0 and not update?
No.

Star War Sex Parrot
Oct 2, 2003

mAlfunkti0n posted:

What's the word on the official Apple leather case for the 6? Love it / hate it?
I have no complaints.

mAlfunkti0n
May 19, 2004
Fallen Rib
Guess I'll have to run by the store today and rub one all over my skin to make sure. Ah heck I'll probably buy it.

gypsyshred
Oct 23, 2006
I'm thinking about getting the Apple leather case, is it good against drops/bends?

wdarkk
Oct 26, 2007

Friends: Protected
World: Saved
Crablettes: Eaten
I'm having music randomly erase itself from my iPhone. The playlist flashes through each song and then ends. If I look at it again I see this:


How can I make it stop doing that?

Rageaholic
May 31, 2005

Old Town Road to EGOT

Apparently in the beta release of 8.1, the Camera Roll was brought back. Thank gently caress. Hopefully it replaces Recently Added/Recently Deleted completely because that setup is dumb as hell.

Clocks
Oct 2, 2007



Endless Mike posted:

You could try restoring, since that doesn't sound right. My 5s works fine on iOS8 other than some apps that were crashing when it first launched. Alternatively, wait for apps to update.

carry on then posted:

Your install sounds botched. Restore (first from backup, then fresh) and see if your problems persist.

I, uh, huh... I did a restore from backup and everything certainly seems to be running a lot smoother. I guess I'll see how things go from here - as long as the problems don't come back later, anyway. Thanks guys! (To be honest, it didn't cross my mind that I could technically complete an install but have it be installed improperly... I can see how plenty of random users out there might be really frustrated with this update).

Question Mark Mound
Jun 14, 2006

Tokyo Crystal Mew
Dancing Godzilla

wdarkk posted:

I'm having music randomly erase itself from my iPhone. The playlist flashes through each song and then ends. If I look at it again I see this:


How can I make it stop doing that?
I had the same. I just kept syncing over and over and letting it find more songs as I tried playing them that weren't properly synced through iTunes and eventually it worked. Been a couple of days since I found a song that didn't sync, but this is iTunes so who knows how it'll gently caress up next!

Bottom Liner
Feb 15, 2006


a specific vein of lasagna

Rageaholic Monkey posted:

Apparently in the beta release of 8.1, the Camera Roll was brought back. Thank gently caress. Hopefully it replaces Recently Added/Recently Deleted completely because that setup is dumb as hell.

Thank loving Jobs.

Snuffman
May 21, 2004

wdarkk posted:

I'm having music randomly erase itself from my iPhone. The playlist flashes through each song and then ends. If I look at it again I see this:


How can I make it stop doing that?

Music hasn't indexed right, hence the flashing through the icons, it thinks the song is there and the song isn't.

I fixed it by going to usage, deleting all music (deleting 50 GB of music crashed Settings.app :saddowns: , took a few tries) and resyncing. Getting all the music back on took a while but all the music is there now with the album art.

mAlfunkti0n
May 19, 2004
Fallen Rib
If I save a calendar entry to my Google calendar account (saving via iOS Calendar app), how long does it take to sync up? I pushed this in the calendar around 45 minutes ago and I still don't see it on my Google calendar when looking on my PC.

Any ideas?

Edit : Nevermind, seems to be working now if I manually enter instead of importing from an ics file.

Sure enough, importing a .ics file and setting it to my Gmail calendar results in no sync. I just created an entry manually and it syncs instantly.

Edit 2 : If you modify even a small setting after saving the entry to the phone, it pushes it.

mAlfunkti0n fucked around with this message at 20:43 on Oct 2, 2014

Endless Mike
Aug 13, 2003



mAlfunkti0n posted:

What's the word on the official Apple leather case for the 6? Love it / hate it?


I'm running 8.0.2 just fine on my 6.
I got an olive brown one and I preferred the light brown color for the 5/5s but I like it otherwise.

noirstronaut
Aug 10, 2012

by Cowcaster
I had a silicone case for a solid day before I decided to get the leather one. Leather just feels nicer, is thinner, and the wear on the black one doesn't look like rear end.

trilljester
Dec 7, 2004

The People's Tight End.
Is Apple still signing 7.1.2?

CommanderApaul
Aug 30, 2003

It's amazing their hands can support such awesome.

trilljester posted:

Is Apple still signing 7.1.2?

No

wdarkk
Oct 26, 2007

Friends: Protected
World: Saved
Crablettes: Eaten

Snuffman posted:

Music hasn't indexed right, hence the flashing through the icons, it thinks the song is there and the song isn't.

I fixed it by going to usage, deleting all music (deleting 50 GB of music crashed Settings.app :saddowns: , took a few tries) and resyncing. Getting all the music back on took a while but all the music is there now with the album art.

The music was there earlier, because I played it then. If it happens again I'll try that though.

carry on then
Jul 10, 2010

by VideoGames

(and can't post for 10 years!)

Clocks posted:

I, uh, huh... I did a restore from backup and everything certainly seems to be running a lot smoother. I guess I'll see how things go from here - as long as the problems don't come back later, anyway. Thanks guys! (To be honest, it didn't cross my mind that I could technically complete an install but have it be installed improperly... I can see how plenty of random users out there might be really frustrated with this update).

I think it's easy to forget that these things are running drat near full desktop operating systems, just with tiny screens. It hasn't even been 10 years since the prevailing wisdom was "never do an upgrade install, something will always break," so every time I go through an upgrade install that works fine a part of me is impressed.

Clocks
Oct 2, 2007



carry on then posted:

I think it's easy to forget that these things are running drat near full desktop operating systems, just with tiny screens. It hasn't even been 10 years since the prevailing wisdom was "never do an upgrade install, something will always break," so every time I go through an upgrade install that works fine a part of me is impressed.

Oh yeah, definitely. But iphones to me have always felt pretty foolproof (in that you can't brick them, and unless you jailbreak you have your own closed ecosystem) so I just assumed installs would work well. And I'm relatively okay with technology - I can't imagine my mom having a lovely install and then having to teach her about backups and all that.

brap
Aug 23, 2004

Grimey Drawer
Honestly, it sucks a little that Apple is never going to provide an option to back out of a new OS for the average user. You have to restore from your iOS 7 backup. I think being locked into that, especially when it makes your phone perform badly, just fosters mistrust and frustration with Apple.

That's why I still run my backups in iTunes. I have even tried copying the backup, and saving it in a different folder, and swapping it back in to have a copy of the old version's backup. I don't even know whether it will work. They just make it so hard to prevent downgrading with the notion that it's good for progress. People need to be warned, though, that new OS versions may have problems that make their experience worse.

Bottom Liner
Feb 15, 2006


a specific vein of lasagna
It's less they have to support, so it's less customer service requests they have to deal with on the phones and in the stores. Makes perfect sense (not to mention, slowly pushes people on older devices to upgrade due to sluggish performance).

Josh Lyman
May 24, 2009


fleshweasel posted:

Honestly, it sucks a little that Apple is never going to provide an option to back out of a new OS for the average user. You have to restore from your iOS 7 backup. I think being locked into that, especially when it makes your phone perform badly, just fosters mistrust and frustration with Apple.

That's why I still run my backups in iTunes. I have even tried copying the backup, and saving it in a different folder, and swapping it back in to have a copy of the old version's backup. I don't even know whether it will work. They just make it so hard to prevent downgrading with the notion that it's good for progress. People need to be warned, though, that new OS versions may have problems that make their experience worse.
I'm not sure why anyone with an iPhone 4 would feel obligated to upgrade their iOS. In general, I would say that having people on the latest version is better.

carry on then
Jul 10, 2010

by VideoGames

(and can't post for 10 years!)

Well I think it's pretty easy to see Apple's intended flow: You upgrade, you're phone is slow, you make an appointment with your local Genius Bar (TM) where they look at it, see you're automatically backing up to iCloud, start a restore right there, and when it's done they send you on your way. The problem of course is not everyone has (reliable) access to all of these services or knows that that's what they should do when they see this issue; some just tolerate it because they don't know any better.

I can see why Apple does enforce updating so strongly, because they know that you give an inch and some developers will take a mile and before long you're looking at a Windows XP scenario where no one wants to keep supporting it but they have to. The major problem is that Apple still hasn't learned despite iOSs 4, (5?), 6, 7, and now 8 having noticeable, major performance issues on the lowest supported platform. Maybe it will be different with iOS 9, because not only will the 5 be affected, but the 5C as well--that's two years of phones that could potentially chug very hard if we have a repeat of iOS 8 on the A5.

kitten smoothie
Dec 29, 2001

carry on then posted:

I can see why Apple does enforce updating so strongly, because they know that you give an inch and some developers will take a mile and before long you're looking at a Windows XP scenario where no one wants to keep supporting it but they have to.
It's also a security measure, and probably more that than anything else. It enforces that insecure software versions can be revoked, and makes it impossible to either accidentally or intentionally install an insecure OS or baseband version.

If I were an enterprise IT person, I would sleep better at night knowing that if I issued someone an iPhone 5s running iOS 8, it's going to stay at 8. They're not going to go home, revert it to iOS 7, jailbreak it, and possibly put corporate data at risk.

sourdough
Apr 30, 2012

Josh Lyman posted:

I'm not sure why anyone with an iPhone 4 would feel obligated to upgrade their iOS. In general, I would say that having people on the latest version is better.

Because their phone tells them an update is available? Maybe I'm misunderstanding what you're saying, but I don't think most people search for issues with an update before doing so. If Apple releases an update for their phone, it should only improve things (e: I mean, that's what I think people expect).

ShoogaSlim
May 22, 2001

YOU ARE THE DUMBEST MEATHEAD IDIOT ON THE PLANET, STOP FUCKING POSTING



Back at Starbucks. Neither Passbook nor "suggested apps" pops up. Foursquare knew where I was and popped up with a popular tip for me, though.

Sharrow
Aug 20, 2007

So... mediocre.
Is it iOS 8 or the iPhone 6 that's causing the reported Bluetooth issues?

Bluetooth audio on my 6 is totally unusable -- my Bluebuds X headphones drop out after 30 seconds, and I struggle to pair with my BT speakers as well.

(But if it's iOS 8 then at least I've made a good choice not upgrading my work 5S yet...)

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Star War Sex Parrot
Oct 2, 2003

It's iOS 8 causing the problems.

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