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qirex posted:we're not going to have drone fighter aircraft because the air force needs people to be able to be fighter pilots otherwise nobody would sign up for their branch i suggested in one of the various cool airplane threads that manned fighters are doctrinally unnecessary these days because they're basically just carriers for advanced guided missiles at this point and HOOOO BOYYYY you would not believe how mad some people get about such things
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Sagebrush posted:i suggested in one of the various cool airplane threads that manned fighters are doctrinally unnecessary these days because they're basically just carriers for advanced guided missiles at this point and HOOOO BOYYYY you would not believe how mad some people get about such things but airplanes are so 
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Sagebrush posted:i suggested in one of the various cool airplane threads that manned fighters are doctrinally unnecessary these days because they're basically just carriers for advanced guided missiles at this point and HOOOO BOYYYY you would not believe how mad some people get about such things a plane with the same capabilities of an f-22 without a pilot is going to cost the same as an f-22 with a pilot, how hard is that to understand
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also, USAF drones have a tendency to fall out of the sky: http://www.washingtonpost.com/sf/investigative/2014/06/20/when-drones-fall-from-the-sky/
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Oct 2, 2014 18:36
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qirex posted:we're not going to have drone fighter aircraft because the air force needs people to be able to be fighter pilots otherwise nobody would sign up for their branch iirc they're looking into swarm tech where you have a fighter pilot 'mothership' surrounded by a cloud of smaller drones capable of maneuvers that would kill a human
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Oct 2, 2014 18:37
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hobbesmaster posted:a plane with the same capabilities of an f-22 without a pilot is going to cost the same as an f-22 with a pilot, how hard is that to understand yes thanks for that brilliant insight a plane doesn't need to have the same capabilities as an f-22 because the f-22 itself is doctrinally unnecessary. you can put up a drone loaded with ten amraams and the same radar set and have 95% of the functionality. a plane that can sustain 9g is not going to significantly improve the odds of a hit with a missile that's capable of 40g
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qirex posted:we're not going to have drone fighter aircraft because the air force needs people to be able to be fighter pilots otherwise nobody would sign up for their branch would navy pilots be automated though?
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prefect posted:but airplanes are so fighter jets are the coolest waste of money on the planet, but they are 100% a waste of money nevertheless.
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computer parts posted:would navy pilots be automated though?
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ANIME MONSTROSITY posted:why arent trains automated? they seem like a prime candidate, considering that no matter what the timetable is no train will occupy the same space lots of trains are automated. some systems like PATCO in the philly area have had automated train control operational since 1969, though often running manual departures for certain portions of the day just to ensure the operators can control the thing in event of problems. Sagebrush posted:i suggested in one of the various cool airplane threads that manned fighters are doctrinally unnecessary these days because they're basically just carriers for advanced guided missiles at this point and HOOOO BOYYYY you would not believe how mad some people get about such things
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Sagebrush posted:yes thanks for that brilliant insight a missile in a 40g turn just wasted all of its kinetic energy and is falling to earth harmlessly. manned fighters cannot maintain 9g for particularly long because they slow down so quickly that they no longer have the energy to support that. as in the article i linked, at the moment state of the art drones lose contact with controllers and need to be shot down by manned aircraft. we're a long way from this stuff being useful for anything that isn't expendable
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Oct 2, 2014 18:48
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hobbesmaster posted:...pilots relying too much on automation or rather, not understanding said automation
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the number of military problems that can be solved with an airplane is shrinking, when was the last time there was any air-to-air combat, the first iraq war?
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Necc0 posted:iirc they're looking into swarm tech where you have a fighter pilot 'mothership' surrounded by a cloud of smaller drones capable of maneuvers that would kill a human this is likely going to happen with soldiers, too imagine a single marine deployed into a warzone, surrounded by a buzzing cloud of semi-autonomous drones ranging in size from insect to large cat
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duTrieux. posted:this is likely going to happen with soldiers, too this is literally from a lovely military scifi book I read, richard dietz?
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qirex posted:the number of military problems that can be solved with an airplane is shrinking, when was the last time there was any air-to-air combat, the first iraq war? how are we fighting isis right now again?
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duTrieux. posted:this is likely going to happen with soldiers, too i'm imagining a bunch of little drones falling to earth after their 5 minute battery life is expended
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hobbesmaster posted:how are we fighting isis right now again?
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Necc0 posted:iirc they're looking into swarm tech where you have a fighter pilot 'mothership' surrounded by a cloud of smaller drones capable of maneuvers that would kill a human option!
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hobbesmaster posted:how are we fighting isis right now again? apparently by spending a few billion to help Iraqis airdrop food, water, and ammo to them.
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qirex posted:not air-to-air, that's for sure right... but bombing certainly is a solution that requires airplanes or long range missiles and our drones seem to have a tendency to fall out of the sky
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hobbesmaster posted:i'm imagining a bunch of little drones falling to earth after their 5 minute battery life is expended terrorism works the same way
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qirex posted:this is literally from a lovely military scifi book I read, richard dietz? if it is then it's an example of convergent thought evolution
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hobbesmaster posted:i'm imagining a bunch of little drones falling to earth after their 5 minute battery life is expended i'm imagining a marine having to cj 10 different lowest bidder proprietary oses.
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qirex posted:the number of military problems that can be solved with an airplane is shrinking, when was the last time there was any air-to-air combat, the first iraq war? I think you mean fighter jets and/or bombers. I'd imagine cargo planes and troop planes will still be needed if we plan on invading all the countries we want to in the next few years
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none of this would be needed if we just lived like it was the 1800s.
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its fun to think about these cool robots
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hobbesmaster posted:right... but bombing certainly is a solution that requires airplanes or long range missiles and our drones seem to have a tendency to fall out of the sky icbms would be the ideal solution here. unfortunately it's impossible to tell from the launch flare you spotted whether an icbm is carrying regular warheads to syria or hydrogen bombs to moscow
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qirex posted:not air-to-air, that's for sure it's for the chinese
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the chinese air force is mostly sitting at a 1960s-70s level of technology right now, with a few things comparable to the f-15c (ie the usa's last generation air superiority fighter) and they only have one partially functional aircraft carrier that they bought from the russians. they aren't a threat to the usa.
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i think it would be cool if the chinese marines got themselves some fixed-wing jets like our marines have, just for the novelty of hearing a newscaster say "the people's liberation army navy's army's air force"
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duTrieux. posted:this is likely going to happen with soldiers, too the future of infantry combat is those dog robots with mounted machine guns running through buildings, deployed from self driving cars and controlled from a base in Kansas by virtual reality headset wearing gamers which brings us back to Google, which has a stake in almost all of these
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Sagebrush posted:the chinese air force is mostly sitting at a 1960s-70s level of technology right now, with a few things comparable to the f-15c (ie the usa's last generation air superiority fighter) and they only have one partially functional aircraft carrier that they bought from the russians. they aren't a threat to the usa. also they will just explode a low-yield nuke near any carrier that threatens them carriers are so fuckin dumb
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cargo planes, B-52s, A10s and a bunch of cruise missiles are pretty much all we need at this point
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we use tons of JDAMS guides bombs, mostly delivered from light attack aircraft
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qirex posted:cargo planes, B-52s, A10s and a bunch of cruise missiles are pretty much all we need at this point http://www.in.ng.mil/NewsandMedia/tabid/247/ArticleID/69/Release-122nd-Fighter-Wing-Plans-to-Deploy.aspx a good plane
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The Management posted:we use tons of JDAMS guides bombs, mostly delivered from light attack aircraft any plane can drop a jdam, the us has implied permanent air superiority in that they'll just blow up any country's air force before they do anything else anyway, attack aircraft are a 20th century concept the AC-130U "Spooky" is a cool plane too, just flies slowly around the battlefield with a light artillery piece pointed at the ground
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qirex posted:any plane can drop a jdam, the us has implied permanent air superiority in that they'll just blow up any country's air force before they do anything else anyway, attack aircraft are a 20th century concept its kinda hosed up to call it a battlefield when a plane that any man-portable anti-aircraft missile could shoot down easily can loiter for hours overhead
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qirex posted:any plane can drop a jdam, the us has implied permanent air superiority in that they'll just blow up any country's air force before they do anything else anyway, attack aircraft are a 20th century concept they decided that the f-22 was so good at air superiority, so far in advance of anything else on the planet, that the DoD invented a new term and now call it an "air dominance fighter" lol next year's will be the air dominance fighter extreme titanium maxxx
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incidentally if anyone in the bay area would like to see the navy and air force burn up several million dollars of taxpayer money turning an unrenewable resource into noise and wind in the name of entertainment, fleet week is the 9th to the 13th so come to the waterfront and see the planes
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