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Barry Convex posted:A gargantuan entertainment conglomerate whose divisions have their own goals and purposes, yes. See the curious Marvel/Big Hero 6 situation for an even more recent example. For the uninformed, what's the story here? EDIT: vvv Thanks. So do they just not want people mixing it up with the MCU or what? Lemniscate Blue fucked around with this message at 17:31 on Oct 2, 2014 |
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BatteredFeltFedora posted:For the uninformed, what's the story here? There is no reason for Disney to slap the Marvel brand on a kids animated movie that has no recognizable Marvel characters in it. Disney owns Marvel so it can choose to do what it pleases with Marvel properties. Marvel Studios' "goals", assuming it has any choice in the matter, are ultimately meaningless in the face of what Disney wants. Same goes for ABC. SHIELD is on ABC because Disney ultimately put it there, not because ABC had some kind of a say in the matter. Disney owns ABC and Marvel so it put a Marvel show on ABC because it has the potential to make money. SHIELD is part of the Marvel brand, so SHIELD doing poorly reflects poorly on the Marvel brand which hurts Disney. SHIELD may not be an advertisement for the MCU in the literal sense (what does that even mean? Does that mean every movie is an ad for the other movies?) but it is still a part of the brand and their branding strategy. That being said, that doesn't really mean it is safe. Marvel Studios had no problem sweeping The Incredible Hulk under the rug for the most part, so if AoS fails it would just get the same treatment. Also the fact that they are investing more money in Netflix projects than their ABC offerings is pretty telling. AoS isn't as much of an important piece of the MCU as some would like or hope.
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Oct 2, 2014 18:37
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ToastyPotato posted:Also the fact that they are investing more money in Netflix projects than their ABC offerings is pretty telling. I didn't know this. You got a link to more details?
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Weren't the ratings for the season 1 premiere completely insane? They probably were well aware season 2 wouldn't have those kinds of ratings.
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The Sharmat posted:Weren't the ratings for the season 1 premiere completely insane? They probably were well aware season 2 wouldn't have those kinds of ratings. Yeah, being down on the original premiere isn't surprising. The premiere went up from last season's finale, but then episode 2 was a new low for the series.
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Xtanstic posted:I didn't know this. You got a link to more details? http://screenrant.com/marvel-netflix-deal-tv-shows-daredevil-luke-cage-iron-fist-jessica-jones/ They greenlit Daredevil, Luke Cage, Iron Fist, Jessica Jones and a team up show called The Defenders for Netflix. That is about 60 episodes worth of shows greenlit outright for Netflix at a time when AoS hadn't been officially confirmed for a second season yet. Them announcing 60 episodes of content across 4 shows and a mini-series for Netflix when things seemed up in the air for AoS is indicative of AoS not really being a priority, at least at the time. Keep in mind that it is not at all unusual to announce that a show is picked up for more than one season, so them throwing cash at four other Marvel shows for Netflix and then waiting pretty long just to give AoS the 1 season pick up is kind of damning.
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ToastyPotato posted:http://screenrant.com/marvel-netflix-deal-tv-shows-daredevil-luke-cage-iron-fist-jessica-jones/ If you look at the date its when they only aired 7 episodes. They also were having tie ins with the movie. They saw it as a great deal and did not show they did not care about Shield at all.
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bobkatt013 posted:If you look at the date its when they only aired 7 episodes. They also were having tie ins with the movie. They saw it as a great deal and did not show they did not care about Shield at all. Shows have been picked up for additional seasons by that point before. Greenlighting 4 new shows for digital distribution and waiting until the very end of the season to announce the pick up for AoS shouldn't really be ignored or downplayed. If Disney was going to be super aggressive with AoS as a part of their plans, it probably would have been picked up for a second season way earlier than it was. Now obviously it was picked up, and even expanded a bit with Agent Carter serving to fill the hiatus gap, so who knows, maybe their ABC offerings might end up being of much more significance. But with a bunch of other shows right around the corner, losing their broadcast stuff would hardly put them in a bind, especially if people just aren't interested in watching. Honestly, I could see AoS just ending up going digital before getting outright cancelled, especially if Daredevil and friends ends up being a success.
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ToastyPotato posted:Shows have been picked up for additional seasons by that point before. Greenlighting 4 new shows for digital distribution and waiting until the very end of the season to announce the pick up for AoS shouldn't really be ignored or downplayed. If Disney was going to be super aggressive with AoS as a part of their plans, it probably would have been picked up for a second season way earlier than it was. ABC never announces pick-ups early. They always have their announcements at the end of the season. You'll notice that no ABC show was picked up early. It means absolutely nothing.
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They also announced it as a full season after 3 episodes, and included tie ins with the movies.
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ToastyPotato posted:Especially if Daredevil and friends ends up being a success. Except Netflix doesn't announce viewership numbers, so we'll never know just how successful they are. Though they might share the info internally to Disney, but up to this point they've kept that close to the vest with everyone.
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howe_sam posted:Except Netflix doesn't announce viewership numbers, so we'll never know just how successful they are. Though they might share the info internally to Disney, but up to this point they've kept that close to the vest with everyone. The general public not knowing the metrics of success for a given show at Netflix has absolutely no effect on its actual success or how that effects their development strategy going forward... AbsolutelySane posted:ABC never announces pick-ups early. They always have their announcements at the end of the season. You'll notice that no ABC show was picked up early. It means absolutely nothing. Well then I was wrong about that. I still think that it is safe to say that if AoS ratings are lower than average for the network and the Netflix shows end up being considered hits, we might see AoS switch over. This will mean a much shorter season, but at least the show would continue. Of course none of that matters if the ratings improve on ABC or at least settle at a number that they are ok with.
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Are the ratings lower than average for the network?
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I think you are putting too much emphasis on it. No, AoS is not vital to Marvel's overall vision. At the same time, it's doing well enough that we really don't have to live in dire worry about cancellation even IF it was a completely standalone show with no other tie ins. It's not a runaway hit, but it's doing OK. Other things on ABC would be on the chopping block before it (though budget is probably a bit higher than other things.) The fact that it is part of the MCU tips the scales though. It is certainty going to be granted greater latitude for continued life because it is part of a greater whole. The MCU won't necessarily suffer if it was cancelled, but they can sure as poo poo expect that events in the MCU can have an affect on AoS viewership. They have something with a built in audience right now and as long as the ratings don't super tank it likely won't be cancelled anytime soon. There are also several stages that it could go through before being completely canned such as reduction in season order, timeslot shift, punted to ABC Family, or even a pickup by Netflix. The Sharmat posted:Are the ratings lower than average for the network? Not really. It was actually the highest rated thing on ABC on Tuesday. It was adjusted up to a 1.8. What's really important is the two lead in shows at 8 and 8:30 were series premieres and both were rated lower at a 1.6 and 1.5. So AoS is doing better than its lead in so people are actively tuning into it and not just passively leaving ABC on. bull3964 fucked around with this message at 21:31 on Oct 2, 2014 |
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Isn't it expensive to produce?
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Is this subject matter really suitable for ABC Family? I mean the show immolated a person on screen at one point last season.
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The Sharmat posted:Is this subject matter really suitable for ABC Family? I mean the show immolated a person on screen at one point last season. It's fine. ABC Family hasn't shied away from genre TV before with Kyle XY nor have they really kept darker stuff from airing either.
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Josh Lyman posted:Isn't it expensive to produce? When Marvel movies make money hand-over-fist, I think they can afford it.
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SwissArmyDruid posted:When Marvel movies make money hand-over-fist, I think they can afford it.
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The Sharmat posted:Is this subject matter really suitable for ABC Family? I mean the show immolated a person on screen at one point last season. The only reason that they have The 700 Club is due to the contract saying that they have to.
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ToastyPotato posted:The general public not knowing the metrics of success for a given show at Netflix has absolutely no effect on its actual success or how that effects their development strategy going forward...
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howe_sam posted:No, I get that, but Netflix doesn't share their numbers with anyone. It's been a bone of contention between Netflix and programmers for a while now. The article doesn't seem to mention exactly who these programmers are. Are talking about the companies that make House of Cards and Orange is the New Black, etc? Or are they talking about the companies that put their shows on Netflix after they have aired? Those are two extremely different things. One group would be producing content exclusively for Netflix, while the other is negotiating re-distribution of content available on home video. It seems they mean the latter. Disney is contracted to provide original content, in addition to some exclusivity for the streaming rights to their films. If they are having people produce content for them and not telling them the value of that content, that is hilariously scumbaggy.
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Aphrodite posted:Big Hero 6 is a Marvel comic, but they're not involved in production or distribution of the movie. No, what I was referring to is the far stranger fact that Marvel is producing literally nothing in the way of tie-in comics, which smacks of corporate political drama through and through.
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Barry Convex posted:No, what I was referring to is the far stranger fact that Marvel is producing literally nothing in the way of tie-in comics, which smacks of corporate political drama through and through. You mean like this? http://marvel.com/news/comics/22976/sdcc_2014_shield.
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bobkatt013 posted:You mean like this? To Big Hero 6. They aren't even reprinting the older comics.
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Barry Convex posted:To Big Hero 6. They aren't even reprinting the older comics. Did Marvel produce anything for Frozen or Wreck it Ralph, especially before either film came out? It is not relevant that Marvel has old comics that this is adapted from. When Disney makes an animated film, it is expected to be a franchise unto itself for all intents and purposes. If Disney is taking the movie in a different direction from the original book, then it will do nothing but hurt the brand identity for them to advertise/reprint the old version of it. There is a reason why on the official materials for the movie that "From the creators of Frozen/Wreck it Ralph" is stressed much more heavily than "Based on a Marvel comic" and why Marvel Comics isn't plastered all over the posters/official website/etc.
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Big Hero 6 are only in a dozen issues or so, and none of their origins or motivations beyond "Japan needs superheroes, too" are ever really explored. At this point, Disney's more invested in the property than Marvel ever was.
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The Sharmat posted:Is this subject matter really suitable for ABC Family? I mean the show immolated a person on screen at one point last season.
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Cardboard Box A posted:Have you seen Alias? That was also on ABC, not ABC Family. Unless they're running Alias in syndication now, or something.
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thrawn527 posted:That was also on ABC, not ABC Family. Unless they're running Alias in syndication now, or something. Haldacki's brain matter being found in the barrel of Jack's gun was a later plot point.
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The Sharmat posted:Is this subject matter really suitable for ABC Family? I mean the show immolated a person on screen at one point last season. On top of what's been said, ABC family is home of Pretty Little Liars, which can be pretty adult. I mean relatively speaking.
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cool kids inc. posted:On top of what's been said, ABC family is home of Pretty Little Liars, which can be pretty adult.
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The Sharmat posted:Is this subject matter really suitable for ABC Family? I mean the show immolated a person on screen at one point last season. ABC Family also aired "Greek" a show about drinking and sexin' it up in college.
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And don't forget Middleman. One of the most surreal shows to appear on any network.
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SaintFu posted:I just finished watching the episode. I’m really enjoying the season so far. How did you catch that and not notice Coulson and Raina?
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Darth Brooks posted:How did you catch that and not notice Coulson and Raina? HOLY gently caress IT'S A LED ZEPPELIN "PRESENCE" REFERENCE.
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ToastyPotato posted:Did Marvel produce anything for Frozen or Wreck it Ralph, especially before either film came out? It is not relevant that Marvel has old comics that this is adapted from. When Disney makes an animated film, it is expected to be a franchise unto itself for all intents and purposes. If Disney is taking the movie in a different direction from the original book, then it will do nothing but hurt the brand identity for them to advertise/reprint the old version of it. There is a reason why on the official materials for the movie that "From the creators of Frozen/Wreck it Ralph" is stressed much more heavily than "Based on a Marvel comic" and why Marvel Comics isn't plastered all over the posters/official website/etc. Eh, I find this unconvincing. It's originally a Marvel property and it's produced by the same corporate parent; they have no issue reprinting the original DOFP storyline to tie in with a film made by a competing entertainment conglomerate, and which has only slightly more to do with its ostensible source material than does BH6. BH6 is an adaptation. A very, very loose adaptation, no doubt, but it's downright bizarre that Disney has chosen to actively suppress the origins of the property; even the most loosely adapted novels normally get tie-in reprints, after all. Rich Johnston may have a spotty record, but I'm inclined to believe the bulk of this: http://www.bleedingcool.com/2014/09/04/that-disneymarvel-bust-up-over-big-hero-6/
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ambushsabre posted:I really like simmons and I really, really hope it's a fakeout. I'm going to be so sad if it isn't. If it's anything other than a fakeout or "Simmons is posing as Hydra to see if they have something to cure Fitz" I will be stunned.
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