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Wait, are we talking a bad translation of 'Moldova' as in Transnistria getting hot? Or are we talking Moldavia as a neoanachronistic state like Novorussiya?
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Cuntpunch posted:Wait, are we talking a bad translation of 'Moldova' as in Transnistria getting hot?
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kalstrams posted:Moldavia is Moldova in Russian. Well that's convenient for Putin 
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How will Russia heat up Transnistria without being able to reach it overland? Wouldn't they have to roll up the rest of Ukraine's coastline? Although a Russian offensive into Ukraine using a surprise deployment in Transnistria to form a pincer would be enough to bring a tear to Tom Clancy's rotten eyesocket.
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Oct 1, 2014 21:06
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I think it's a good bet that Russia wants to land lock Ukraine and set up an access corridor to Transnistria, since it will be much easier for them to go that route than invade Lithuania to create a very much wanted corridor to Kaliningrad.
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HUGE PUBES A PLUS posted:I think it's a good bet that Russia wants to land lock Ukraine and set up an access corridor to Transnistria, since it will be much easier for them to go that route than invade Lithuania to create a very much wanted corridor to Kaliningrad. Absolutely. Russia will probably keep on keeping on with this conflict for years on end if required and may not rest until this happens:  Moldova is easy stuff after that, unless Romania manages to incorporate Moldova first, which they apparently intend to do to a certain extent. One of their presidential candidates actually promised that would happen IIRC. Here is one fantasy from a few years back:  That is from here http://www.eg.ru/daily/politics/32691/ and here http://springtimeofnations.blogspot.fi/2014/04/donetsk-rebels-novorossiya-fits-russian.html and is not anything to lose your poo poo over, but it's interesting.
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If anything the possibility of a large expansion of Russian control in Ukraine seems to be becoming more remote with time, if anything it looks like Putin hopes to exert control through political and economic means not militarily. One thing is Ukraine really doesn't have anywhere to go economically, and the longer the war goes on and the more loans pile up, Putin gains more leverage without having to send more troops in.
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Would Moldova be interested in uniting with Romania if it'd mean protection from Russian incursions? Would Romanians be interested in incorporating Modolva and taking on that risk and associated expense?
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Dolash posted:Would Moldova be interested in uniting with Romania if it'd mean protection from Russian incursions? Would Romanians be interested in incorporating Modolva and taking on that risk and associated expense?
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 Since yesterday, Poland has a new Prime Minister, Ewa Kopacz. Donald Tusk is moving on to preside over the European Council in a few months. Until now, Kopacz was the speaker for the Sejm, and before that, she was the minister of public health. In her statement, she outlined the following objectives that her government promises to pursue: - rebuilding the public trust in the government. She also says she will seek to reconcile with Prawo i Sprawiedliwosc, the largest opposition party. - pushing for a common European energy policy. - increasing funding for the armed forces to 2 percent of GDP, starting in 2016. - moving to fulfilling the requirements of joining the euro zone, but "only once it becomes stable". - a bill allowing support packages of up to 500 million PLN (~120 mln EUR) for companies who suffered from Russian embargoes. - an unspecified reform to the tax code. - protecting the miners from unfair competition and promoting the modernization and restructuring of the mines in order to make the entire industry profitable. Kopacz said that her government "will not consent to high energy prices". - more money for pre-schools and daycares, support for childcare facilities in workplaces, expanding parental leave, new support packages for parents. - an increase in retirement pensions. - more money for schools, especially vocational. Free textbooks for grades 1-4 and 7. School monitoring and a ban on junk food. - public institutions are to offer jobs for student trainees. 2% of GDP to tertiary education. - more doctors. Improvements in oncology coverage. - Three complete highways. 400km of new expressways until 2015. Speeding up of railway investments. - cheaper museum tickets and free cultural lessons for children.
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Tevery Best posted:In her statement, she outlined the following objectives that her government promises to pursue: Most of these things require additional funding. I guess that is why the details for the reform of the tax code are 'unspecified'.
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Tevery Best posted:- Three complete highways. 400km of new expressways until 2015. Speeding up of railway investments. Hope these involve parts of northern Poland as driving from Lithuania to Germany (or at least South Western part of Warsaw) is like driving through the Death Road.
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The ceasefire battle around Donetsk airport could trigger more sanctions if the Ukrainians lose it. http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-10-01/russia-said-to-risk-more-sanctions-if-ukraine-rebels-gain.html Fighting in Donetsk was intense yesterday, one residential neighborhood suffered severe damage and civilian casualties. Some pictures are            USC head for Minsk, Dmitry Konoplyanik, is still detained in Lithuania after he was stopped at the border trying to enter Lithuania with dozens of rounds of bullets in his car. The head of Belarus's KGB says Lithuania needs to: Head of Belarus KGB posted:Objectively consider the matter as soon as possible and take the normal legal ruling. They declare themselves as a legal state, and really understand that there must be good-neighborly relations between Lithuania and Belarus. http://www.belta.by/ru/all_news/society/KGB-Belarusi-prokommentiroval-informatsiju-o-zaderzhanii-v-Litve-glavy-USK-po-Minsku_i_681913.html Article's in Russian. More "volunteers" died during training in the Rostov region appeared in Russian cemeteries. http://top.rbc.ru/politics/02/10/2014/542c0dcfcbb20f5d06c1d87a
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HUGE PUBES A PLUS posted:USC head for Minsk, Dmitry Konoplyanik, is still detained in Lithuania after he was stopped at the border trying to enter Lithuania with dozens of rounds of bullets in his car. The head of Belarus's KGB says Lithuania needs to: This is something completely new to me and I live in Lithuania... Nothing in the news reports or feeds. Very strange.
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Karmalis posted:This is something completely new to me and I live in Lithuania... Nothing in the news reports or feeds. Very strange. Belarus is making a big deal about it. Interesting.
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A citizen of Switzerland who worked for the Red Cross was killed in Donetsk today when someone threw a bomb into the headquarters. Some images are graphic so http://podrobnosti.ua/accidents/2014/10/02/996230.html quote:In Donetsk, killed a citizen of Switzerland, a Red Cross worker Laurent Etienne.   http://i.imgur.com/OS2FdLb.jpg   http://interfax.com.ua/news/general/226720.html quote:In the shelling in Donetsk on Thursday killed an employee of the International Committee of the Red Cross - a citizen of Switzerland, said Foreign Minister Pavlo Klimkin. HUGE PUBES A PLUS fucked around with this message at 22:05 on Oct 2, 2014 |
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Who has done this the separatists or the Ukrainian army? This is confusing. Edit: No, wait. Don't the separatists have control over most of Donetsk? Why are they shelling parts of Donetsk?
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Lucy Heartfilia posted:Who has done this the separatists or the Ukrainian army? This is confusing. The Russian terrorists targeted this building because it was the headquarters for the International Red Cross. Lukashenko admits in an interview that he almost sent "peacekeepers" to fight with the separatists in Eastern Ukraine, but his offer was turned down. http://www.euronews.com/2014/10/02/lukashenko-claims-was-ready-to-send-ukrainian-peacekeeping-force-but-was-/ HUGE PUBES A PLUS fucked around with this message at 22:03 on Oct 2, 2014 |
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HUGE PUBES A PLUS posted:The Russian terrorists targeted this building because it was the headquarters for the International Red Cross. What the gently caress? ... Death to Putin, death to the separatists? What the gently caress? Actually, death is to good for those monsters.
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Lucy Heartfilia posted:What the gently caress? ... Death to Putin, death to the separatists? What the gently caress? Agreed Turn them into Liches!!!!!!
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Putin actually already being a lich would actually explain a lot of things in this whole mess. Who's up for a reworking of Tomb of Horrors set in the Kremlin?
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Lucy Heartfilia posted:What the gently caress? ... Death to Putin, death to the separatists? What the gently caress? If you don't mind me asking, what nationality are you?
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Don't worry, guys. The whole divide between European democracy and Russian kleptocracy can be conquered. And you all know just the man to do it.quote:Russia has been wasting time these past 10 years, Mr. Khodorkovsky told an audience of American admirers at a dinner sponsored by the advocacy organization Freedom House on Wednesday night, in his first speech in the United States since being released from prison last year. Now is when we must begin to make up this lost time. http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/03/world/europe/mikhail-khodorkovsky-ex-oil-tycoon-plans-to-lead-political-movement.html?_r=0 I'm sure the "European-oriented" part of the population will accept you as one of them with open arms. 
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Volkerball posted:Don't worry, guys. The whole divide between European democracy and Russian kleptocracy can be conquered. And you all know just the man to do it. You got my hopes up for a quote from Bran Boyko.
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Baloogan posted:If you don't mind me asking, what nationality are you? German.
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Lucy Heartfilia posted:Who has done this the separatists or the Ukrainian army? This is confusing. I think right now we don't know anything, so pick your favorite false flag theory. Speaking of Donetsk shelling, though... Russian Channel 1 recently ran an odd episode: its claim was that it was going to prove that the Ukrainian army was shelling residential areas. Well, it didn't do a very good job of that: it showed something blowing up, and some scary sounds (which may actually have been rebels firing artillery nearby). What it did show clearly, however, was this: They enter some residential home, ask a couple of questions from the old lady living here. Then they show a separatist fighter firing an automated grenade launcher at Ukrainian army in the Donetsk airport from a window in that residential building.. then they show him running the heck away, claiming he is worried about the return fire. No words on what he expected the granny to do. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zv39Lc5oSVs
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LiveUAMap just reported about 20 minutes ago that the Donetsk airport is under complete Ukrainian control. 200 Russians reported dead in the fighting. https://twitter.com/xyevii_herson/status/517787386210975744 Image with the tweet: 
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So the Ukrainian army is attacking again everywhere? Or is it just in Donetsk? Edit: According to that map thing it's just Donetsk? Is the airport even worth defending/taking in it's current state?
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Lucy Heartfilia posted:German. Thx.
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HUGE PUBES A PLUS posted:Fighting in Donetsk was intense yesterday, one residential neighborhood suffered severe damage and civilian casualties. Some pictures are It's probably best not to post them inline.
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I just read Lucy Heartfilia's outbursts as Carthago delenda est by this point.
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Lucy Heartfilia posted:So the Ukrainian army is attacking again everywhere? Or is it just in Donetsk? They're defending the airport.
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Ah, ok.
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HUGE PUBES A PLUS posted:The Russian terrorists targeted this building because it was the headquarters for the International Red Cross. That article says "separate the two sides" ie peacekeepers to stop them from fighting, not "separate the two sides of Ukraine".
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I'm amazed they've been able to hold the airport as long as they have. Quite something considering the circumstances.
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OddObserver posted:They're defending the airport. Theyre using the airport to shell rebel defense positions in the city.
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Lucy Heartfilia posted:German. As something of a connoisseur surrounding the absurdist and ironic particulars of the troubles in Europe, Africa and the Middle East: lmao This morning on the way to work I was reading Netanyahu's statement that Arab nations are the final solution to the Palestinian question, and this afternoon after coming home I find out the Markov chain generator posting nothing but "death to putin and separatists" over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over for months on end now in response to a revanchist Russian state is actually a German national. Even at its ugliest, this world is really quite beautiful. 
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HUGE PUBES A PLUS posted:LiveUAMap just reported about 20 minutes ago that the Donetsk airport is under complete Ukrainian control. 200 Russians reported dead in the fighting. Here's my best to translate this badly written report (sounds like it was made by the pro-Russian side and I don't know how to translate some of his Military jargon as far was the equipment goes): At 5 in the morning we got the orders to move into the Airport region with the mixed shock group, there were some members of every group there: Oplot/Vostok (they almost don't exist anymore, new ones haven't been brought in, so they only have a couple hundred, Slavyansk batallion (actually they only have slightly more then a 100 left) and some guys from RF, new arrivals without a name to their grouping, these guys aren't real military. All in all just slightly more then 400 people. At the location they were met with about 60 well equipped "cosmonauts", I was told from Alfa (but I don't really believe that, maybe from special forces of some kind, after all Alfa was for counter-terrorism and freeing hostages). Their commander identified himself as a Major, gave the attack order. In terms of military hardware the group had 8 tanks (T-72 and T-64), 3 BMP and a couple BTRs, then they brought in 4 trucks with ZU. Closely by they set up a battery of mortars and a couple of Nonas. At around the same time the artillery barrage began targetting the airport from Gaybiz/ Grad and Uragan artillery (from Makeevka). After the 3rd barrage the attack, or more accurately a battle recon started. A third of the group with cover fire from 2 tanks and ZU began to advance on the terminal. Earlier our recon said that the enemy didn't have any armored vehicles in the area (it was brought out earlier). After 10-15 minutes the tanks almost in synchronized manner were struck from a distance of about 1 kilometer, one had it's tower completely ripped off, the second caught on fire and began to retreat. They were imeddiately attacked with heavy caliber and sniper fire, the infantry hit the deck and were immediately attacked with mortar fire. They could not get up and retreat as snipers would immediately pick them off and they would be supressed with machine gunfire. So then 2 more tanks, 2 bmp and 1 truck with ZU were sent in to cover the infantry. ZU suppressed their large caliber fire and the infantry began to hide behind the armor and then suddently they were hit fire from Gaybiz very accurately, at about 500 meters away from the old terminal. Actually some shells were even hitting the new terminal where the Ukies were sitting (but this was probably not suprising them all that much). Baiscially half the group managed to retreat, but vehicles were almost all lost, only 1 bmp escaped, the truck driver was picked off by a large caliber sniper, he was left where he was. After waiting till 11, the 2nd group was sent in, at that moment an armored convoy had arrived (T-72s), some of them had come under artillery fire while in transit (1 tank burned down, 2 lost their tracks). They were covered with 8 Gaybiz, Gaitzint in the surrounding areas and the mortar battery. 2 Giatzint were hit back, so some of them retreated in the direction of Makniya and did not fire any more. Baisically the 2nd group (where a friend of mine was) had some nasty stuff instore for them, when they attacked with cover fire from 6 tanks they were immediately hit with artillery, and then SUDDENLY airplanes arrived and created genocide (they were hitting not with guns and rockets but from afar, without approaching into MANPAD range). In the end, from about 130 people only 14 were left and they were pretty much all injured, my firend was hit in the legs, there was hell there, the armor was on fire, radio was full of screaming injured. A lot of injured were left there, and obviously all the corpses. At 1 PM the Russian troops arrived on new modernized T-72 with good equipment. About 50 trucks and almost 30 tanks. So here the real shelling of the airport began from all types of calibers and under the cover of the armor the storm began once again. The Paratroopers (they seemed to be DSHB) managed to get to the old terminal before they were hit with Grad, Uragan and mortars and suddently Ukie tanks from Peskov arrived. Even though this happened, the DSHB kicked the Ukies out of the old terminal, hotel and the garages. And got to the first floor of the new terminal. After that I don't know, nobody came back from the new terminal, the cosmonauts also no one saw again (the corpse of the major was given back later), and after another hour Ukies kicked out the paratroopers from the old terminal, garages and the hotel. Right now the prisoner exchange is going on (from those 495) for corpses. There are a LOT of corpses, and the Ukies are bragging about it on open radio. The hit armoered vehicles they didn't let us evacuate, right now the airport is under full control of armed forces of Ukraine, only 3 unarmed groups were allowed in to gather the dead. I can't give a clear answer as to the number of dead, but it has to be at least 200 as from the morning group there are less then a hundred alive, and that's counting the injured. And another 'lol', Ukies are now going to exchange corpses of RF soldiers for Trucks, aparently they're low on trucks. Sergiu64 fucked around with this message at 00:00 on Oct 3, 2014 |
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Willie Tomg posted:This morning on the way to work I was reading Netanyahu's statement that Arab nations are the final solution to the Palestinian question Did he actually use those terms? I don't want to read his full speech, I'm sure it'd just make me angry.
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