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Morholt: Mar 18, 2006; Contrary to popular belief, tic-tac-toe isn't purely a game of chance.

Congrats on your good game havery.

I got a Victoria pack for my dad :3:

# ? Oct 3, 2014 05:24

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# ? May 29, 2024 01:38

BBJoey: Oct 31, 2012

OctaviusBeaver posted:

Is there some trick to winning as France? If I remember right, Germany has way more IC and can just straight up steamroll you if they feel like. The AI UK is always useless in Paradox games so they don't help.

Create a strong defensive line against the German border made of modern infantry with artillery attachments. Build up a strong mobilised force and place them behind the line ready to reinforce where necessary or exploit weaknesses in the German line. Get some mountain troops ready to invade the Pope together with your southern Italian allies. Build some marines because they're cool and you'll need them to invade Canada with your British allies :anarchists:

. When war comes, invade Flanders and North Italy. If you're careful you might be able to force a breakthrough into West Germany or alternatively you can push up through North Italy into Austria and then Bavaria, forcing Germany to relocate its forces (if you're not at war with Austria what are you doing, you must bring the world revolution comrade!). If UoB forces come into the war their forces can be helpful to stabilise the Flanders front.

Speaking of KR, how's that going these days? I'd like to get back into it but the issues with some of the events where sometimes nations just hit a dead end (eg Japan, Russia) have me waiting for new updates.

# ? Oct 3, 2014 05:33

Kavak: Aug 23, 2009

BBJoey posted:

Speaking of KR, how's that going these days? I'd like to get back into it but the issues with some of the events where sometimes nations just hit a dead end (eg Japan, Russia) have me waiting for new updates.

Not well, I'm afraid. I've kind of lost my passion for the mod and the most of the other devs haven't posted on Skype or the forums in months. I'm holding out hope for this one India expansion a guy's been working on, but the mod kind of feels dead.

# ? Oct 3, 2014 05:41

BBJoey: Oct 31, 2012

Sorry to hear that but it's totally understandable. It's actually pretty amazing that it got to the advanced state it's currently at, really, given how many people have been working on it over the years.

# ? Oct 3, 2014 05:47

ArchRanger: Mar 19, 2007; I'm tired of following my dreams, I'm just gonna ask where they're goin' and meet up with 'em there.

MegaGatts posted:

Is Warlock or Defenders of Ardania any good? I own all the paradox grand strategy games so most of the sale is a wash for me, but I seem to remember warlock being decent.

I like Warlock well enough. It plays like a more basic Civ5 in a fantasy setting. I've played more of Warlock: Master of the Arcane more than Warlock 2, but it's biggest flaw seems to be lackluster AI for your rival Warlocks. Still fun carving your territory out of a hostile world.

# ? Oct 3, 2014 07:47

MinistryofLard: Mar 22, 2013; Goblin babies did nothing wrong.

So I just basically impulse bought Crusader Kings II and all the DLC for $40, down from $160. (!!!!!)

Welp, time to learn to play another paradox game.

# ? Oct 3, 2014 10:20

Drone: Aug 22, 2003; Incredible machine

Erwin the German posted:

A KR LP would basically need to have a Russia game, too; so many ways that can turn out.

That's been done before as a Wrangel dynasty Russian Empire LP, but it'd be super interesting to see one of a hardcore democratic Russia being the savior of the world from the forces of Totalism and German Empire-style paternal autocracy.

# ? Oct 3, 2014 12:55

SkySteak: Sep 9, 2010

I think my favourite game of KR was the American Syndicalists, in the 2nd ACW. I wouldn't say it was near impossible but it felt hard. The feeling when extra militia (which suits the US I guess) was produced, or infantry granted via the socialist congress, was fantastic. Even small things like seizing the US's old inter war strategic bombers, helped a lot. American Pacific almost cost me the North East by landing in Florida and launching constant attacks on NYC etc.

I guess the other fun playthrough was playing as Canada and getting into the mother of all battleship fights with the Union of Britain, near the Gibraltar strait. RN ships having their own personal and bloody Jutland.

What are other excellent KR nations to play in terms of content and things to do?

# ? Oct 3, 2014 13:26

Enjoy: Apr 18, 2009

OctaviusBeaver posted:

Victoria: Revolutions was my favorite Paradox game ever, is Victoria 2 worth it?

V2 started off as bad as HoI3 was at launch but now it's the best Paradox game

Spakstik posted:

I'm playing Victoria 2 as the Worker's Commonwealth (communist UK), and I've been releasing a bunch of nations to drive down my infamy and fuel my conquest of Europe. My released nations start off as communist, but then after a week or two they suddenly switch to other government types--usually democracies--without any kind of revolution taking place. Any countries that're still touching my territory remain communist (I controlled about 75% of Spain and released Catalonia, which stayed commie). Is it supposed to work this way, and if so, why? I was terribly disappointed when all the cool flags got replaced with their boring real life counterparts.

They are probably falling prey to this event which switches a country to democracy after a single liberalisation of voting rights, upper house composition and political parties.

code:

country_event = {
	id = 60050
	title = "EVTNAME60050"
	desc = "EVTDESC60050"
	picture = "Unite"
	
	trigger = {
		OR = {
			government = proletarian_dictatorship
			government = presidential_dictatorship
			government = bourgeois_dictatorship
			government = fascist_dictatorship
		}
		civilized = yes
		NOT = {
			political_parties = underground_parties
			vote_franschise = none_voting
			upper_house_composition = party_appointed
		}
	}
	
	mean_time_to_happen = {
		months = 1
	}
	
	option = {
		name = "EVTOPTA60050"
		government = democracy
	}
}

If you want to mod it so it only hits independent countries, add is_vassal = no after civilized = yes (it's in \events\CleanUp.txt line 125)

Enjoy fucked around with this message at 16:32 on Oct 3, 2014

# ? Oct 3, 2014 16:17

fermun: Nov 4, 2009

Enjoy posted:

V2 started off as bad as HoI3 was at launch but now it's the best Paradox game

That's not even remotely true. V2 was fairly bug free, just not much of a game. HoI3 at launch was buggy as hell and also not much of a game. Paradox absolutely learned a lot of lessons from HoI3 and as a result V2 released in a much better state. They didn't get up to CK2 or EU4 levels of quality for release, but V2 wasn't an embarrassment.

# ? Oct 3, 2014 16:42

gradenko_2000: Oct 5, 2010; HELL SERPENT; Lipstick Apathy

It's true that Victoria 2 has always been a hell of a lot more playable than Hearts of "UK AI spamming transports forever" Iron 3, but let's not kid ourselves, the rebel spam alone was a huge issue on V2's release

# ? Oct 3, 2014 17:02

ThatBasqueGuy: Feb 14, 2013; someone introduce jojo to lazyb

Vicky 2's main problem is that it came out around the same time that Paradox was really stepping up their game in terms of quality. It's pretty much the Sengaku of the main games.

# ? Oct 3, 2014 17:23

Enjoy: Apr 18, 2009

gradenko_2000 posted:

It's true that Victoria 2 has always been a hell of a lot more playable than Hearts of "UK AI spamming transports forever" Iron 3, but let's not kid ourselves, the rebel spam alone was a huge issue on V2's release

I was thinking about battles between countries with advanced military tech causing no casualties. But the million rebels every few months was another big one.

# ? Oct 3, 2014 17:34

Ms Adequate: Oct 30, 2011; Baby even when I'm dead and gone
You will always be my only one, my only one
When the night is calling
No matter who I become
You will always be my only one, my only one, my only one
When the night is calling

V2 was flawed, and today you need to get the expansions to get a really good game, but I know despite this I've enjoyed it at all stages from release day to the most recent patches.

# ? Oct 3, 2014 18:57

csm141: Jul 19, 2010; i care, i'm listening, i can help you without giving any advice; Pillbug

V2 was 'this will be great with some love and care', HoI3 was 'this has fundamental issues'. Back then we had an expectation it would take an expansion or two to iron out the kinds of issues V2 had.

# ? Oct 3, 2014 19:31

Mans: Sep 14, 2011; by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

ThatBasqueGuy posted:

Vicky 2's main problem is that it came out around the same time that Paradox was really stepping up their game in terms of quality. It's pretty much the Sengaku of the main games.

Speaking of which, will Paradox ever return to their less fortunate attempts at making games based on Japanese and Roman history?

# ? Oct 3, 2014 19:33

Drone: Aug 22, 2003; Incredible machine

Mans posted:

Speaking of which, will Paradox ever return to their less fortunate attempts at making games based on Japanese and Roman history?

Light-hearted trolling of their own fan community aside, I think Rome II is pretty much an inevitability at some point. My money on the next major game PDS develops after HoI4 is to be either V3 or R2.

Sengoku II will never happen though, so don't get your hopes up.

# ? Oct 3, 2014 19:36

John Charity Spring: Nov 4, 2009; SCREEEEE

SkySteak posted:

I think my favourite game of KR was the American Syndicalists, in the 2nd ACW. I wouldn't say it was near impossible but it felt hard. The feeling when extra militia (which suits the US I guess) was produced, or infantry granted via the socialist congress, was fantastic. Even small things like seizing the US's old inter war strategic bombers, helped a lot. American Pacific almost cost me the North East by landing in Florida and launching constant attacks on NYC etc.

I guess the other fun playthrough was playing as Canada and getting into the mother of all battleship fights with the Union of Britain, near the Gibraltar strait. RN ships having their own personal and bloody Jutland.

What are other excellent KR nations to play in terms of content and things to do?

Shangqing Tianguo are loads of fun at least up to the point where you've united China. The first war against the Qing was super satisfying for me.

Union of Britain is pretty good too, you basically get the WW2 UK experience of landing in France to help fight Germany except without having to worry about colonies.

# ? Oct 3, 2014 19:55

Last Emperor: Oct 30, 2009

We might end up with a China game at some point though, I think I saw a Paradox post where it mentioned Johan would've liked to push the CK2 map into China?

# ? Oct 3, 2014 20:27

Zohar: Jul 14, 2013; Good kitty

Drone posted:

Light-hearted trolling of their own fan community aside, I think Rome II is pretty much an inevitability at some point. My money on the next major game PDS develops after HoI4 is to be either V3 or R2.

Sengoku II will never happen though, so don't get your hopes up.

Merge Sengoku with CK and expand it to China :getin:

# ? Oct 3, 2014 20:56

Vivian Darkbloom: Jul 14, 2004

Last Emperor posted:

We might end up with a China game at some point though, I think I saw a Paradox post where it mentioned Johan would've liked to push the CK2 map into China?

Didn't the lead CK2 dev also say he hoped this never happened? I think it would be really cool to have full-featured Asia in CK2 but it would take a LOT of new mechanics to make sense and adding all those provinces would be technically challenging, given how people are already having trouble with Rajas.

# ? Oct 3, 2014 21:18

Darksaber: Oct 18, 2001; Are you even trying?

What's the thread's opinion on the Supreme Ruler game that's in Early Access? The only reviews on the store page are positive, but there's just like 15 of them so I'd rather trust the Pdox thread. I doubt I'll pick it up in EA anyways, but it'd be good to know if it's worth wishlisting.

# ? Oct 3, 2014 21:23

Fintilgin: Sep 29, 2004; Fintilgin sweeps!

Last Emperor posted:

I think I saw a Paradox post where it mentioned Johan would've liked to push the CK2 map into China?

I think this was a joke from a stream. The question was asked to the CK2 lead if they were going to go into China and he said he didn't want to. The interviewer said "Well, you're in charge, so it's up to you," and the lead said something like "Actually, it's up to Johan..." before trailing off forebodingly.

It's really difficult for me to imagine them actually expanding the game to China. The map is already huge and the game noticeably slower with India. But then again, I would have doubted them expanding to India, so... V :shobon:

# ? Oct 3, 2014 22:00

Dibujante: Jul 27, 2004

Fintilgin posted:

I think this was a joke from a stream. The question was asked to the CK2 lead if they were going to go into China and he said he didn't want to. The interviewer said "Well, you're in charge, so it's up to you," and the lead said something like "Actually, it's up to Johan..." before trailing off forebodingly.

It's really difficult for me to imagine them actually expanding the game to China. The map is already huge and the game noticeably slower with India. But then again, I would have doubted them expanding to India, so... VV

They should make a separate game for China and East Asia in general a la Sengoku :getin:

But they should hire some people who are really good at understanding Chinese notions of empire, because an East Asia game would be less a group of disparate and unrelated players than it would be a game about a bunch of players skirting around the giant in the room. In fact, if they nailed a china game really well then they could pretty reasonably do a late roman empire / dark ages game.

# ? Oct 3, 2014 22:05

Mr Luxury Yacht: Apr 16, 2012

Darksaber posted:

What's the thread's opinion on the Supreme Ruler game that's in Early Access? The only reviews on the store page are positive, but there's just like 15 of them so I'd rather trust the Pdox thread. I doubt I'll pick it up in EA anyways, but it'd be good to know if it's worth wishlisting.

I've never not been disappointed by a Supreme Ruler game so I'd be wary.

Cool idea, usually mind bogglingly bad execution.

# ? Oct 3, 2014 22:05

Cantorsdust: Aug 10, 2008; Infinitely many points, but zero length.

Mr Luxury Yacht posted:

I've never not been disappointed by a Supreme Ruler game so I'd be wary.

Cool idea, usually mind bogglingly bad execution.

Exactly this. It's just too broad a concept to pull off well. I've never seen a game do it better than Shadow President, and that game falls apart to its own bugs within a decade or so of play.

# ? Oct 4, 2014 00:30

bUm: Jan 11, 2011

Drone posted:

Light-hearted trolling of their own fan community aside, I think Rome II is pretty much an inevitability at some point. My money on the next major game PDS develops after HoI4 is to be either V3 or R2.

Feeling pretty much the same way. Hoping V3 is first so the entire grand campaign is up to Clausewitz 2.0 standards (that and Vicky is my favorite :3:

) before they muck about with Rome which is a bit of an aside unless they get really ambitious about linking it to the grand campaign (CK2 keeps creeping closer :shobon:

# ? Oct 4, 2014 01:35

dublish: Oct 31, 2011

Do you think that when they make CK3, the base game will run from 700 to 1450, or will they cut it back down?

# ? Oct 4, 2014 01:51

Dibujante: Jul 27, 2004

dublish posted:

Do you think that when they make CK3, the base game will run from 700 to 1450, or will they cut it back down?

CK3 should run until 1648 :getin:

# ? Oct 4, 2014 02:03

DrSunshine: Mar 23, 2009; Did I just say that out loud~~?!!!

The final game will be "Europa", a game where you play the entire world from 100 AD to 2010.

# ? Oct 4, 2014 02:07

burnishedfume: Mar 8, 2011; You really are a louse...

DrSunshine posted:

The final game will be "Europa", a game where you play the entire world from 100 AD to 2010.

The entire world? Good friend, the game is called EUROPA, the rest of the world exists for me to conquer.

# ? Oct 4, 2014 02:10

Ms Adequate: Oct 30, 2011; Baby even when I'm dead and gone
You will always be my only one, my only one
When the night is calling
No matter who I become
You will always be my only one, my only one, my only one
When the night is calling

DrSunshine posted:

The final game will be "Europa", a game where you play the entire world from 100 AD to 2010.

The final game will be Laurentia Universalis, where you play the entire world from 252.15 MYA to 66 MYA.

# ? Oct 4, 2014 02:11

Hot Dog Day #82: Jul 5, 2003; Soiled Meat

I haven't had a chance to read much in the way of videogames lately, so forgive me if this is common knowledge! Has there been any word about Paradox porting some of their history titles to the iPad? I'd love to be able to play ck2 and the such at the airport without having to lug around a computer.

# ? Oct 4, 2014 02:13

Dibujante: Jul 27, 2004

DrProsek posted:

The entire world? Good friend, the game is called EUROPA, the rest of the world exists for me to conquer.

He didn't specify which world. Clearly, Paradox' next IP takes place on Europa.

# ? Oct 4, 2014 02:24

Pakled: Aug 6, 2011; WE ARE SMART

Hot Dog Day #82 posted:

I haven't had a chance to read much in the way of videogames lately, so forgive me if this is common knowledge! Has there been any word about Paradox porting some of their history titles to the iPad? I'd love to be able to play ck2 and the such at the airport without having to lug around a computer.

There have been some rumblings about releasing future grand strategy titles on mobile devices but not porting existing ones.

# ? Oct 4, 2014 02:54

Yaoi Gagarin: Feb 20, 2014

Chief Savage Man posted:

I learned how to play using the Platinean War scenario in HoI2, I recommend trying a smaller war like that or the miniwars available in KR.

I've spent all day at work thinking about it and I'm thinking having the CSA LP split into three general parts or acts (civil war being the first one, then two other ones depending on how the game works out) if you will and having two smaller games acting as almost intermissions and palette cleansers. Qing and La Plata are what I'm thinking now. Then if I'm feeling sparky or somebody else wants to do other nations after that, all the better.

This sounds like an awesome idea. I think my favorite HoI game was when I played as the CSA for the first time. Trying to survive the three months it takes to get your first round of militia built is really harrowing. Of course, it helps if the war starts in November because then you have General Winter on your side. :getin:

# ? Oct 4, 2014 07:23

Awesome!: Oct 17, 2008; Ready for adventure!

besides the Mediterranean portraits, are any other ck2 portrait packs bad?

# ? Oct 4, 2014 07:35

brocretin: Nov 15, 2012; yo yo yo i loves virgins

Awesome! posted:

besides the Mediterranean portraits, are any other ck2 portrait packs bad?

Celtic and Russian are both pretty janky-looking.

# ? Oct 4, 2014 07:40

Drone: Aug 22, 2003; Incredible machine

brocretin posted:

Celtic and Russian are both pretty janky-looking.

Celtic is arguably the best-looking one, I dunno where you're coming from there. Russian isn't completely awful either, but seems to lack variety.

For some reason I really dislike Norse.. it makes everyone look like they have iodine poisoning.

# ? Oct 4, 2014 07:55

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# ? May 29, 2024 01:38

A Buttery Pastry: Sep 4, 2011; Delicious and Informative!

Mister Adequate posted:

The final game will be Laurentia Universalis, where you play the entire world from 252.15 MYA to 66 MYA.

Uhm, the dinosaurs of Laurentia were still running around in loin cloths by the time Baltican dinosaurs showed up with their advanced weaponry and armor.

# ? Oct 4, 2014 08:03

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