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Aside from the immediate tragedy, I wonder what this will do to other vaccination drives in developing countries; it's not like there's a dearth of mistrust of Western doctors already. --- Measles vaccination mix-up leaves 15 infants dead in northern Syria Muscle relaxant given to up to 75 children in an error perhaps caused by the similarities of drug packaging Medics carrying out a measles vaccination in northern Syria instead administered an anaesthetic to up to 75 infants, killing 15, a preliminary investigation into their deaths has found. The report says an anaesthetic, atracuriam, which is used as a muscle relaxant in surgery was given to the infants, perhaps mixed with the measles vaccine, which had been delivered by aid agencies conducting a mass vaccination program in opposition parts of northern Syria. The error is believed to have occurred because the packaging of the anaesthetic drug was similar to that of the solution used to mix the measles vaccination. The drug is usually fatal when given to infants in the doses administered, but older children can survive low dosages due to their higher body weights. The fatalities occurred in children between 6 and 18 months. The children all presented symptoms within half an hour of being given the drug and were suffering from diarrhoea, shock and respiratory failure. Most of the fatalities were dead before they reached a hospital, according to a local activist. Syrian opposition officials have ordered an urgent probe into the deaths and the health minister in the interim administration resigned on Wednesday. Earlier reports had suggested the toll may have been as high as 34 and that deliberate attempts may have been made to poison the children. However inquiries are now focusing on clinical negligence and have vowed to prosecute anyone found responsible. Save the Children, which provides medical aid to northern Syria, but was not involved in administering the vaccine said: "Save the Children is appalled and deeply saddened by the news of the deaths of a number of children and the hospitalisation of many more after receiving vaccinations for measles in northern Syria. Save the Children will help the authorities in any way we can to help find out what has happened." International aid agencies have greatly restricted access to northern Syria and have been struggling to deal with massive humanitarian needs caused by a civil war that has led to close to half of Syria's population being displaced. The state-run medical system has all but collapsed in much of the country and people in opposition areas have no access to it.
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It's not like mixups don't happen in first world countries, with things like potassium given by mistake, or drugs given at 10x their intended dose. Edit: not to minimise it at all, this is much worse than any other similar mixup I've heard of and will probably be terrible for vaccination rates as well. Adenoid Dan fucked around with this message at 01:00 on Sep 18, 2014 |
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I need to vent some and I found the perfect place. Hooray. Some I'm working in ResEd, basically a sort of dorm for a private school in rich white rear end suburbia. The school, being full of actual cool people with good ideas, realized that they were super white rear end and snowflakey so they opened up this dorm to a. bring in international kids (who are generally even richer since holy poo poo Chinese new money) and scholarship kids from the Bronx. Weird mix. Anyway, we've got one rich rear end white kid in the dorm and of course he's the most problematic, mostly because of mom. It started with the food allergies list. Peanuts (legit, I've had to epipen kids before) gluten... Okay, I know some people with problems with that and then there's a shirt list of foods. All-natural beef, bison, lamb, peppers, peas, some fruits, Himalayan Red Rice, Himalayan salt... These aren't his allergies this is what he's allowed to eat. He's 'allergic' to everything else. Mom rolls in and she's just the worst sort of person. He's got these allergies because she got him vaccinated. She puts her hand on her chest. "Lot of guilt there. Lot of guilt." Like I should love her for martyring herself for this. Has a doctor diagnosed him? Well, no, (aside from the peanuts) but they just know. Garlic and onions "make his head fuzzy." He's "not himself" if he eats white rice. Those drat vaccines. Of course the kids just wants to eat loving pizza and (surprise) nothing loving awful is happening to him. I mean, the kids messed in the head and he's got what my own amateur diagnosis would be something on the ADD spectrum. All about music, can't handle math. MOSTLY though his parents have constantly told him that he's the kid that they hosed up and how horrible it is that he's helpless. That's a great way to build self esteem. Plus they've always done everything for him, so he's 14 with like zero life skills. Meanwhile he gets to hang with his siblings they "got right" and can eat anything they want and they're perfect and wonderful, and they don't have weird hobbies like -gasp- playing music (they'll be so glad when this phase is over, don't let him play too much guitar) So naturally this kids is a shitbird who resents his mother, I mean Jesus. And he's totally hapless which just doubles his frustration. Plus he's got to take these supplements (oddly enough, daily 'antibiotics' which I sincerely hope are woo because while that's a not woo thing it'd be wildly irresponsible for a doc to prescribe an open ended antibiotic course. Like wow.) and go to a cranial sacral appointment (every Wednesday 5 towns over, that's not a problem, right?) which is I guess a nice head massage that balances the fluids in the brain to make his stomach feel better. And what is Mom's profession? Any guesses? Oncology nurse. 
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the JJ posted:And what is Mom's profession? Any guesses? It feels like every time this issue comes up on Facebook (my brothers like to tag me in the comments and watch what happens when I notice...) there's a nurse there talking about how terrible vaccines are. It never fails! Is this kid an indigo child as well, and how strictly do you follow the diet plan? My fave though was some dumbshit from high school that was going on and on about the doctor she worked for said no to vaccines, and of course the "doctor" was in acupuncture. Usually I get a few good hits in before my buddy from college jumps in with "MY PARENTS HAD loving POLIO VACCINATE YOUR KIDS YOU rear end in a top hat" which is always good times.
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I had to look up Carniosacral TherapyWikipedia posted:Craniosacral therapy (CST), or cranial-sacral therapy, is a form of bodywork or alternative therapy focused primarily on the concept of "primary respiration" and regulating the flow of cerebrospinal fluid by using therapeutic touch to manipulate the synarthrodial joints of the cranium. To do this, a practitioner will apply light touches to a patient's skull, face, spine and pelvis.[1] Craniosacral therapy was developed by John Upledger, D.O. in the 1970s, and is loosely based on osteopathy in the cranial field (OCF), which was developed in the 1930s by William Garner Sutherland.[1][2] So a guy noted that the cranial sutures look kind of like gills, and then some nutcases took that to mean that you could heal cancer with a relaxing scalp massage
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Solkanar512 posted:It feels like every time this issue comes up on Facebook (my brothers like to tag me in the comments and watch what happens when I notice...) there's a nurse there talking about how terrible vaccines are. It never fails! Is this kid an indigo child as well, and how strictly do you follow the diet plan? Your buddy's a loving hero with the best trump card possible. Brilliant.
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Solkanar512 posted:It feels like every time this issue comes up on Facebook (my brothers like to tag me in the comments and watch what happens when I notice...) there's a nurse there talking about how terrible vaccines are. It never fails! Is this kid an indigo child as well, and how strictly do you follow the diet plan? Indigo children are special snowflakes that are super duper special next stage of human evolution or some bullshit right? Nah, this is just their gently caress up kid. Like seriously that's how they treat it and that's how he's internalized it. No matter what he does he'll always be at best managing, surviving this handicap (through his mother's heroic efforts of course) a grim reminder for their other kids. It's just sad. And we have to enforce the diet because it's that or wrangle with mom for doctor's notes and then wrangle with disproving whatever quack's they have feeding them this BS and blahblahblah mom would just pull him from the program. But we have an open kitchen stocked for the rest of the kids and the school itself is totally DGAF about it* so we're cooking him a special side meal every dinner and he's probably cheating all the time anyway.  *I actually really like the school, it really does seem like a bunch of teachers who wanted to run their own poo poo and have their own curriculum and not just a place for white folks to escape desegregated public schools and feel morally superior because they're dropping $$$ on their kid's education for the sake of it.
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Posting this poo poo cause it's hilarious:quote:What are the behavioral patterns of Indigos? It's the optimum combination of "Can apply to anybody" and "My child's misbehavior is actually a superpower".
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RagnarokAngel posted:Posting this poo poo cause it's hilarious: Plus some desperation to ignore severe mental illness. "Indigo children are wonderful future leaders of humanity who have no stable sense of self and often try to kill themselves."
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I honestly thought the Indigo Child thing had died out and they'd moved to a new term for "no seriously my kid is actually the most special ever"
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They're called "Autistic Spectrum" now
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RagnarokAngel posted:Posting this poo poo cause it's hilarious: A lot of that reads bipolar to me.
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I was born in 1978, is this all my fault? Can indigo children see goblins wearing human skin like in that Dean Koontz book?
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Zachack posted:I was born in 1978, is this all my fault? What confuses me the most about that is that I'm pretty sure people born in 1978 and for 2 decades later are now adults and no longer children. But theyre "lightworkers"? Is it like the Jedi where if youre not indoctrinated as a child you can't be trained?
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quote:The old control methods like, "Wait till your father gets home," have no affect on these children.  This nuclear option is rendered completely ineffective by INDIGO CHILDREN!
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So "indigo child" is code for "hugely selfish rear end in a top hat" or "has severe mental illness" and they encourage this, yes? Call the loving CPS. 
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AVeryLargeRadish posted:So "indigo child" is code for "hugely selfish rear end in a top hat" or "has severe mental illness" and they encourage this, yes? I actually just read a book http://www.amazon.com/The-Psychopath-Inside-Neuroscientists-Personal/dp/1591846005/ about a literal psychopath (as in, literally does not give a gently caress about other people's feelings or well-being, even though he can recognize that they have feelings and that he can hurt them, with the brain scans to prove it) who had been raised in a very loving, supportive environment without abuse or bullying. He turned out perfectly fine, quite successful in his career, no criminal record, never murdered anyone (no incentive to, basically, since it'd cost him his nice comfy life), has a wife and several kids, etc, etc, and concluded that people like him just needed extra care and support from schools and family while growing up to prevent them from turning into dangerous killers. While he was investigating himself and his condition, he talked to some people about his childhood (without mentioning the brain scans bit) and he mentioned that one of them told him he sounded like a perfect example of an ~indigo child~. So... basically, yes.
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AVeryLargeRadish posted:So "indigo child" is code for "hugely selfish rear end in a top hat" or "has severe mental illness" and they encourage this, yes? Most of the time "indigo child" is code for "my kid is thoroughly average but I really want them to be special. any tiny quirk they have will be overhyped".
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What happens to all these indigo children when they reach their teenaged years or adulthood and they get exposed to the real world outside their rubber walled nursery? I'm guessing it's loving brutal. And hilarious.
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Nintendo Kid posted:I honestly thought the Indigo Child thing had died out and they'd moved to a new term for "no seriously my kid is actually the most special ever" If you meet one of these idiots int he wild, just say "oh...that's...(pause like you are trying not to hurt their feelings) nice. My son/daughter is a cerulean child."
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Gorilla Salad posted:What happens to all these indigo children when they reach their teenaged years or adulthood and they get exposed to the real world outside their rubber walled nursery? I'm guessing it's loving brutal. The later. Very much the later.
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Some anti-vaccination folks on Twitter are claiming the Duncan Ebola case is a hoax to scare people into getting vaccinated for things. Edit: Horking, I'm increasingly certain that sociopaths, at least, can be adequately socialized by a good upbringing.
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GreyjoyBastard posted:Some anti-vaccination folks on Twitter are claiming the Duncan Ebola case is a hoax to scare people into getting vaccinated for things. I've heard from conspiracy theorists that Ebola is actually spread by tainted vaccines that we send to Africa so we can kill off all the Africans and steal their resources just like we did with smallpox blankets in America.
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Luigi Thirty posted:I've heard from conspiracy theorists that Ebola is actually spread by tainted vaccines that we send to Africa so we can kill off all the Africans and steal their resources just like we did with smallpox blankets in America. Doesn't it cross those idiots' minds that if the US were at the point where they just want to murder everyone in a country no fucks given, there are more effective ways than sending ~ebola tainted vaccines~ 
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I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!
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ahahahahahaha How can anyone be so broken?
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It hurts me in the brain to think that people like this exist. 
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These people who think that disease warfare is an actual thing that people would be willing to use are slightly crazy. One of the defining features of disease is that it doesn't 'discriminate'. There's very few effective diseases that could be adapted into a weapon that would not be equally as devastating to the people unleashing it. I mean, even during the Middle Ages this principle was sort of understood. The whole Momento Mori/Danse Macabre motif specifically showed that nobody was immune to the effects of the plague. Everyone from peasants to royalty, death came for all.
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I have a friend who's been trying to get me to watch Chuck, but the more I learn about this guy the harder it's going to get. It's a shame that he deleted his blog posts about Sesame Street brainwashing kids into being unamerican.
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Ddraig posted:These people who think that disease warfare is an actual thing that people would be willing to use are slightly crazy. One of the defining features of disease is that it doesn't 'discriminate'. There's very few effective diseases that could be adapted into a weapon that would not be equally as devastating to the people unleashing it. So what you're saying is....   GreyjoyBastard posted:Some anti-vaccination folks on Twitter are claiming the Duncan Ebola case is a hoax to scare people into getting vaccinated for things. Ebola?! I better get a flu shot and MMR! Seriously though, get your flu shots people, and encourage everyone else to get flu shots. Don't skip it because "I never get sick anyway". You'll help protect the elderly and children and people with compromised immune systems who nevertheless need to go grocery shopping.
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Canine Blues Arooo posted:It hurts me in the brain to think that people like this exist. Every Baldwin is poisonous and belligerent, they just have different ideologies.
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Mo_Steel posted:So what you're saying is.... The flu loving sucks, don't be a dumbass like me, forget to sign up for it at work and then catch it.
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Gorilla Salad posted:What happens to all these indigo children when they reach their teenaged years or adulthood and they get exposed to the real world outside their rubber walled nursery? I'm guessing it's loving brutal. I had a good number of these traits growing up (though my parents were bright enough not to feed them, they more or less insisted that I go to Univerity out of town), and I can confirm that the first year in the real world is brutal and probably really hilarious. But then you grow up and learn to be a real boy and become a better person. Same as all weird learned behaviours, once you're exposed to all sorts of people and not allowed to pull bullshit you snap out of it right quick, and I've never been happier. The diagnosed depression and ensuing meds alongside offically recognized learning disabilities helped too (again thank my parents, who knew what was up). Believe me, being weird is really overrated, normality is sort of awesome because you can actually talk to people. Glad I never knew about this Indigo children crap, it probably would have just made the learning process that much more of a struggle.
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Ddraig posted:These people who think that disease warfare is an actual thing that people would be willing to use are slightly crazy. One of the defining features of disease is that it doesn't 'discriminate'. There's very few effective diseases that could be adapted into a weapon that would not be equally as devastating to the people unleashing it. That's not entirely true with regards to smallpox, and how it was used in colonial times. The history is pretty spotty though, as it would be. http://www.history.org/Foundation/journal/Spring04/warfare.cfm - there's contention over whether it was used in Australia's colonization but it seems settled that the virus wouldn't survive the trip.
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Ddraig posted:
Didn't stop the Mongols from chucking infected corpses into cities though.
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blowfish posted:ahahahahahaha The evidence seems to be piling up that Adam Baldwin was not in fact acting when he was playing Jayne in Firefly.
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His character in Chuck is literally a Reagan-worshipping 2nd amendment loving libertarian crazy person.SedanChair posted:Every Baldwin is poisonous and belligerent, they just have different ideologies. He's not actually related to them. Unless you mean that the name itself is cursed. DarkCrawler fucked around with this message at 23:23 on Oct 5, 2014 |
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point of return posted:The evidence seems to be piling up that Adam Baldwin was not in fact acting when he was playing Jayne in Firefly. Browncoats unite. Coats brown with ebola-induced diarrhea and barf, that is.
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point of return posted:The evidence seems to be piling up that Adam Baldwin was not in fact acting when he was playing Jayne in Firefly. I prefer to think of him as the single most dedicated method actor in history.
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DarkCrawler posted:He's not actually related to them. Unless you mean that the name itself is cursed. I'm proud of this, it means I haven't taken the time to learn the number of real Baldwins.
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