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Carbon dioxide posted:I thought it was very unfair that only those who happened to be on the night-side of the earth during that 1.5 hours got a light-vote whether to kill the moon or not. I wonder how many of the people of that half of the planet were asleep too. "We voted on WHAT last night?  "
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This really has been Jenna Coleman's series. That 'breakup' scene was fierce.
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Oct 4, 2014 21:54
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Capaldi and Anderson are great too. The Doctor's pained confusion as he's explaining he felt was respecting humanity's right to choose it's destiny, and Danny's understated supportiveness and the hints of what happened to make him leave the army. (I do kinda wish they'd bite the bullet and have him say it, but I bet that's being saved for the finale.)
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Oct 4, 2014 21:56
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I'm bored of this season and Capaldi already. Please gently caress off Moffat.
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Oct 4, 2014 22:02
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I was hoping the NEXT TIME tease would a million motion-sensing space spiders suddenly raining down on future Earth while the Doctor mopes about in a bar or something.
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Oct 4, 2014 22:03
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reality_groove posted:This really has been Jenna Coleman's series. That 'breakup' scene was fierce. I agree completely, she has been outstanding. I didn't know her earlier stuff, and she really didn't have a lot to work with last year, but she's been a revelation.
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Oct 4, 2014 22:03
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The moon doesn't weigh 1.6 billion (1,600,000,000) tons, or whatever the number was they kept bandying about. The moon weighs (approx) 73,459,000,000,000,000,000 tons (73 quintillion), if I'm reading Wolfram Alpha right. Sci-fi writers really don't get how massive planetary bodies are. :sperg: Edit: more spergery; again, if I'm using Wolfram Alpha right and assuming that rock weighs one ton per cubic metre, a 1.6 billion ton moon would only be about a mile in diameter. Small Strange Bird fucked around with this message at 22:14 on Oct 4, 2014 |
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Oct 4, 2014 22:07
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Did I read an anti-abortion message in that or
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Oct 4, 2014 22:12
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I'm getting exceptionally bored of 'The Clara Oswald Hour guest starring The Doctor' format. Thank goodness she doesn't seem to be in next week's episode.
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Oct 4, 2014 22:16
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Payndz posted:The moon doesn't weigh 1.6 billion (1,600,000,000) tons, or whatever the number was they kept bandying about. The moon weighs (approx) 73,459,000,000,000,000,000 tons (73 quintillion), if I'm reading Wolfram Alpha right. Sci-fi writers really don't get how massive planetary bodies are. :sperg: The 1.6 billion was the additional mass the moon had gained. Not it's total.
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Oct 4, 2014 22:18
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nuzak posted:Did I read an anti-abortion message in that or I did feel there was a strong abortion subtext, though I actually read it more as pro-choice. The fact that three women were ultimately left to make the decision can't have been a coincidence.
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Oct 4, 2014 22:21
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Jerusalem posted:I did feel there was a strong abortion subtext, though I actually read it more as pro-choice. The fact that three women were ultimately left to make the decision can't have been a coincidence. Also, the pretty blatant threefold goddess thing. They even had Clara saying she wants kids in case you didn't get that she's the Mother.
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Oct 4, 2014 22:22
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Gaz-L posted:Also, the pretty blatant threefold goddess thing. I wasn't actually familiar with this but looking it up, yeah it comes across as even more blatant than what I'd already picked up on.
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Oct 4, 2014 22:24
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Payndz posted:The moon doesn't weigh 1.6 billion (1,600,000,000) tons, or whatever the number was they kept bandying about. The moon weighs (approx) 73,459,000,000,000,000,000 tons (73 quintillion), if I'm reading Wolfram Alpha right. Sci-fi writers really don't get how massive planetary bodies are. :sperg: Ah, but you're using 2014 tons. 2049 tons are much larger!
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Oct 4, 2014 22:27
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vegetables posted:Ah, but you're using 2014 tons. 2049 tons are much larger! The Doctor should've let Clara stew in the Angry Dome for a bit.
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Oct 4, 2014 22:28
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The moon surface was filmed in Lanzarote! Return to Planet of Fire! Also, the Mexican moonbase had ponchos and cacti in the background. 
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Oct 4, 2014 22:31
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The_Doctor posted:Also, the Mexican moonbase had ponchos and cacti in the background. Holy poo poo really? I didn't notice that at all but oh my God
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Oct 4, 2014 22:33
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The_Doctor posted:The moon surface was filmed in Lanzarote! Return to Planet of Fire! I saw the cacti, and rolled my eyes, but y'know, fine, I could see an American astronaut bringing along an tacky Uncle Sam bobblehead or a Scot bringing some lucky heather or something, so whatever. Where were the ponchos, though?
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Oct 4, 2014 22:34
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Hang on, how the gently caress was the moon getting more massive? Eggs don't get heavier over time, where was all the extra mass coming from?
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Oct 4, 2014 22:36
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Dabir posted:Hang on, how the gently caress was the moon getting more massive? Eggs don't get heavier over time, where was all the extra mass coming from? We'll explain later.
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Oct 4, 2014 22:37
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Gaz-L posted:The Doctor should've let Clara stew in the Angry Dome for a bit. I would have no problem at all with Doctor Who going full-bore Futurama with its science at this point; it's already more or less there. I liked this episode a lot, even with its "make the stupid decision that turns out to be right" ending which people think is a good for children to hear for some mad reason. The last astronauts with the last nuclear bombs, landing on a Moon covered in cobwebs. That's a really beautiful way of illustrating the end of one era metaphorically, having the Cold War's iconography collapse to cause a whole new future to be born. And I really like the idea of the Doctor just loving off and making people make historically important decisions. It's just, well, it's a shame they can't carry through with said decisions; this would have been much stronger if they'd had the guts to Kill the Moon.
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Oct 4, 2014 22:39
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PriorMarcus posted:I'm bored of this season and Capaldi already. Please gently caress off Moffat.
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Oct 4, 2014 22:39
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Also eggs don't take billions of years to hatch! 
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Oct 4, 2014 22:40
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There was one poncho draped over a chair that was the same poncho from Amy's Choice, I'm pretty sure.
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Oct 4, 2014 22:44
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I was enjoying that until the egg revelation, which was just too stupid for me.
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Oct 4, 2014 22:50
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Dabir posted:Hang on, how the gently caress was the moon getting more massive? Eggs don't get heavier over time, where was all the extra mass coming from? It's funny how Capaldi is clearly a massive Pertwee fan, but his Doctor is so far Three's polar opposite: Pertwee always played the Doctor as a heroic figure of trust and safety for the kids watching ("Who's your friend" was a Radio Times cover!), while Twelve is a massively irresponsible rear end in a top hat who directly endangers (and then abandons) a child to prove a point and doesn't give a poo poo. Post-watershed, at that!
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Oct 4, 2014 22:51
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I would have enjoyed an ending when the nukes went off, and then the Doctor dashed out and went, "Okay, let's go and.... oh wait, what, you actually killed it? Umm, this is awkward."
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Oct 4, 2014 22:58
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PriorMarcus posted:I'm bored of this season and Capaldi already. Please gently caress off Moffat. This, this, this. About the only part I liked was the end where Clara was telling the Doctor to gently caress The gently caress Off Already because, frankly, I agree with her. Capaldi is, of course, a great actor, but his Doctor is a horrible dickhead, and like a poster said before, he's not even like Six (or one of the more 'difficult' Doctors). There's no sense of an inner life that is in any way Doctor-ish. He's the first Doctor that I don't buy being The Doctor (and I'm even including Tennant in that statement).
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Oct 4, 2014 23:18
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Dabir posted:Hang on, how the gently caress was the moon getting more massive? Eggs don't get heavier over time, where was all the extra mass coming from? Yeah I kinda sorta really want to hit several people very hard with a piece of wood with "CONSERVATION" written on it right now.
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Oct 4, 2014 23:18
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Barry Foster posted:This, this, this. There's nothing Doctor-ish about deciding he doesn't have the right to choose if a creature that has of yet done no harm should live or die? I think a lot of what people mean is that he's not being presented entirely positively, which I thought was a big complaint about Smith and Tennant, what with the Jesus-Doctor stuff?
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Oct 4, 2014 23:21
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I've thought the season has been consistently good, outside of the first half of Deep Breath and this rather lacklustre episode. But I've been enthralled with Capaldi and Coleman who I think have both been excellent. Coleman has been the real standout though, primarily because it's been such an improvement over her portrayal in her first year in the show. Capaldi being great is hardly a surprise and I really enjoy his Doctor, but it's the growth of Clara as a character that has really stood out.
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http://www.philipsandifer.com/2014/10/kill-moon-review.htmlquote:This was the single best episode of Doctor Who ever. Oh, Sandifer 
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Oct 4, 2014 23:25
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Oh good, I'll write whoever this is on a list of reviewers to disregard.
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Oct 4, 2014 23:26
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Well that was a very silly episode. What happened to all the tronspiders? Can bacteria survive in space? I liked the funny bits, but yeah, on the whole the episode was just kind of there. Oh, but the Doctor's face after he said the Moon was an egg was excellent. Oh, and also the overly dramatic run down the corridor, hair blowing majestically around was funny. I don't think it was meant to be though. Basically I liked the comedic bits, the serious bits were just impossible to take seriously. Except the bust-up at the end, that was actually quite effective. Also it was loving hilarious that while they were having a big old chat on the beach they missed the mooncritter laying an egg. Hope Daleks or something attack the Earth and get chomped by a baby space dragon later. 
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Oct 4, 2014 23:26
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By the by, I could have sworn blind that "moon is actually an egg" is a pretty common mythological motif, but I can't seem to find anything with a quick google. Anyone?
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Oct 4, 2014 23:27
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Gaz-L posted:There's nothing Doctor-ish about deciding he doesn't have the right to choose if a creature that has of yet done no harm should live or die? Well, no, to be honest. He hasn't been that morally ambiguous since the sixties. Yes, I know they bring up the Hitler parallel and that, but it felt disingenuous, and out of context with the general tone of the show. Outside of the fictional universe, the Doctor is meant to be the voice of humanistic intellect and romance. He's kind of meant to be a role model. I don't mind challenging that idea, but in this case it just felt weird. Of course the Doctor would have sympathy with the creature. Of course he'd want to save it, and he'd probably know it would do no ultimate harm. As it stands, it felt like he was just withholding information for the gently caress of it (as Clara points out). EDIT - This, pretty much VVV Barry Foster fucked around with this message at 23:38 on Oct 4, 2014 |
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Gaz-L posted:I think a lot of what people mean is that he's not being presented entirely positively, which I thought was a big complaint about Smith and Tennant, what with the Jesus-Doctor stuff?
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Autonomous Monster posted:By the by, I could have sworn blind that "moon is actually an egg" is a pretty common mythological motif, but I can't seem to find anything with a quick google. Anyone? That made me half-remember a couple of things so I had a quick google myself, found some reviews of the episode, some nutty conspiracy theorists, and a lot of asking for help in Harvest Moon. There seem to be quite a few moons that are eggs scattered about in mythology and media, but none about the Earth's moon that I could find. Oh, tons of evil moons as well. fake edit: oh, realised the main one I was thinking of was Legend of Dragoon, an old old RPG. I am a huge nerd.
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That episode was pretty bad. We haven't had a really good one since Listen, in my opinion, just bad and decent, so I'm hoping the end of the season really picks things up. Although I suspect I will end up not liking the over-arching plot with "Heaven" and Missy, so I'm not holding my breath. It's kind of a shame because I really like Capaldi's Doctor, and so far he's been saddled with a bunch of middling episodes.
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I quite liked it, as I quite liked the one last week, and the week before that. The egg-laying at the end was silly, yeah (are space dragons born pregnant like Tribbles?), but I enjoyed it overall. I think there were some bits here and there that will eventually be looked back on as moments that really defined the character of the Twelfth Doctor, the "break-up" scene at the end possibly most of all. All that having been said, I still feel like there's some strange disconnect going on with this season. I like all the individual parts - Capaldi is brilliant, Clara is great, Danny seems to have potential - and I haven't actively disliked anything since about halfway through Deep Breath, but somehow it's not all coalescing into the whole I feel it could. I'm kind of not feeling it, is what I guess I'm saying, and I really don't know if it's me or the show. I guess we'll see if my opinion changes once the season wraps up. Also, didn't somebody post here a while ago about how they were babysitting (I think?) some kids and they made up Doctor Who stories together, and one of the kids came up with "the moon is an egg"? They weren't babysitting for the Harnesses, were they?
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