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toanoradian posted:Why don't you then whip up the Atheist's holy book (Charles Darwin's "Evolution Rules, God Drools") and read to him the parable about the marine and the bear in Albert Einstein's classroom? You need to go the whole hog, man. I thought the marine was Albert Einstein? 
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Verisimilidude posted:This was posted on FB, and based on the comments on the Facebook article itself and that my friends are giving, it seems like a lot of "liberals" really hate Muslims. http://thinkprogress.org/world/2014/10/04/3576082/batman-stands-up-for-muslims/ There's a whole contingent of atheists who sound like they'd love to be Republicans if it weren't for the whole Jesus vibe. Harris, Dawkins & Hitchens are/were terrible about women and brown people.
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Oct 5, 2014 04:46
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toanoradian posted:Why don't you then whip up the Atheist's holy book (Charles Darwin's "Evolution Rules, God Drools") and read to him the parable about the marine and the bear in Albert Einstein's classroom? You need to go the whole hog, man. loving LIBS!!!
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Oct 5, 2014 06:05
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Dr. Faustus posted:I then go the extra mile and say, "Do you eat shellfish? Do you agree with the Bible as the literal word of GOD handed down to man when this is in your holy book? Doesn't it make you feel silly? Can't you see how using the text is not fair to you so it's not fair to Islam, either?" quote:17 After he had left the crowd and entered the house, his disciples asked him about this parable. 18 “Are you so dull?” he asked. “Don’t you see that nothing that enters a person from the outside can defile them? 19 For it doesn’t go into their heart but into their stomach, and then out of the body.” (In saying this, Jesus declared all foods clean.)
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Oct 5, 2014 06:34
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Is it okay to eat someone else's turds then? I need an answer quick; tia, father.
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Oct 5, 2014 06:51
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Got some new good ones from the crazy libertarian guy on my facebook.   Which had the following comments (Jen Youfelct is the same person as Doug Lee Duckling): 
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Oct 5, 2014 06:57
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I'm not an economist, but in the end aren't these scenarios effectively identical apart from the one guy who gets to lord over everyone else?
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Oct 5, 2014 07:02
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Goatman Sacks posted:I like to refer to those types of folks as "New York liberals". The type of person that everyone knows that holds austensibly progressive ideals about tax rates and stuff, but when it comes to racial effects, they defer to a bunch of bullshit bigoted truisms. I'm a liberal from New York, as are most of my friends, and I haven't met a single person like what you're describing so go gently caress yourself, thanks.
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Oct 5, 2014 07:03
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The Dark One posted:There's a whole contingent of atheists who sound like they'd love to be Republicans if it weren't for the whole Jesus vibe. Harris, Dawkins & Hitchens are/were terrible about women and brown people. Dawkins loves abortion. Like, to the point he says that kids with Downs Syndrome should always be aborted.
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Oct 5, 2014 07:29
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Fulchrum posted:Dawkins loves abortion. Like, to the point he says that kids with Downs Syndrome should always be aborted. What does that have to do with anything? That post and conversation didn't mention abortion, and there's a lot more to being pro-women than being in favor of abortion. In nearly every other respect, Dawkins is horrible about feminist issues.
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Oct 5, 2014 09:57
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Idran posted:What does that have to do with anything? That post and conversation didn't mention abortion, and there's a lot more to being pro-women than being in favor of abortion. In nearly every other respect, Dawkins is horrible about feminist issues. The claim was that if you remove Jesus, Dawkins would join conservatism, and I was pointing out he has some other points that would prevent that.
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Oct 5, 2014 10:08
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Strudel Man posted:Well. The actual Christian answer would be that keeping kosher is no longer necessary, because Christ brought a new covenant between God and man. Mark 7:17-23 fairly explicitly does away with the dietary restrictions of the old testament: And in Matthew 5:17-20 he explicitly says he did not come to change the law, and that failing to follow the law or teaching others not to is bad. It's almost as if religious texts are filled with contradictory statements that allow people to interpret things however the hell they want; the Bible is full of commands to do violence and it has been used plenty as a justification for violence by some Christians, just as it has been used for the opposite by others. Finding similar passages in the Koran is neither surprising nor can it meaningfully be used to stereotype all Muslims. Dr. Faustus' point was pretty clear.
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Oct 5, 2014 10:10
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Maybe Jesus just finds shellfish mad delicious. As a Son of God his palate must have been quite refined, despite his poverty.
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Oct 5, 2014 11:39
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The Dark One posted:There's a whole contingent of atheists who sound like they'd love to be Republicans if it weren't for the whole Jesus vibe. Harris, Dawkins & Hitchens are/were terrible about women and brown people.
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Oct 5, 2014 13:32
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Your friend is a libertarian, but he wants the government spending MAH TAX DOLLARS on 10 Commandments sculptures and nativity scenes? Sounds like a statist thief who doesn't trust the free market to provide the religious symbols demanded by a free people. Why doesn't he want Christianity to compete on a level playing field?
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Oct 5, 2014 13:52
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Kit Walker posted:I'm a liberal from New York, as are most of my friends, and I haven't met a single person like what you're describing so go gently caress yourself, thanks. Counterpoint: my liberal New Yorker family. So like, it's not a personal insult, just listen for the dog whistles. Or ask a New York Jew about Palestinians and see what you get.
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Oct 5, 2014 14:07
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Choadmaster posted:Dr. Faustus' point was pretty clear. Please note, for the record everyone, I didn't even touch the sexuality material. I didn't think it was necessary.
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Oct 5, 2014 14:49
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TerminalSaint posted:I'm not an economist, but in the end aren't these scenarios effectively identical apart from the one guy who gets to lord over everyone else? I think so because the real value of the money should be close in both situations; it's just a lovely false dilemma where he proposes two situations hand-crafted to "prove" his own belief that he thinks income inequality drives wages up. Because free market you see.
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Oct 5, 2014 15:04
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"What makes Hugo Black better than Antontin Scalia" Basically Scalia's slow descent into madness since Lawrence v Texas and Romer v. Evans, the fact unlike Thomas he's only an originalist shill when it suits a conservative outcome(last year's super hypocritical  logic between the DOMA and VRA rulings which came out on back to back days comes to mind) and he's reached the point where he gets his own rulings wrong in an effort to try to make a new ruling(namely his recent EPA dissent where one of the references for his position was a ruling he did some years back..........except he had written a ruling in that previous case that was the opposite of what he was claiming.
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Defenestration posted:Counterpoint: my liberal New Yorker family. So like, it's not a personal insult, just listen for the dog whistles. Or ask a New York Jew about Palestinians and see what you get. I'm from New York, and while most of my friends (who are liberal) share my points of view, many others (liberal or not) condemn Islam for one reason or another (I get the feeling it's the "logical" and "common sense" approach, because they're cuttin' off are heads!). As for the Palestine thing, you're absolutely right. Most people/organizations I know that are actively pro-Palestine are smaller, usually student led groups. Meanwhile there are literal "stand with Israel!" billboards popping up around Manhattan, some of which are trying to "stop the anti-Israeli bias in American society!"  Let's not forget that the New York MTA ran a series of ads by Pamela Geller about how Islam is essentially barbarism and how the refined, cultured, practically Elven Jew needs to stand firm. It's also the same city that had a poo poo storm when a "mosque" (read: Islamic cultural center) had the audacity to consider opening up a little over a mile away from ground zero! It's totally just like when the Muslims took over Spain and furthermore *vomits*.
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Oct 5, 2014 16:36
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"The Elven Jew" is perhaps the strangest concept this board has ever introduced me to. Thank you.
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Mo_Steel posted:I think so because the real value of the money should be close in both situations; it's just a lovely false dilemma where he proposes two situations hand-crafted to "prove" his own belief that he thinks income inequality drives wages up. Because free market you see. Yeah, the $5k example is an early 1900s American small town while the $200k/outlier split is an upper-tier Zimbabwe suburb. If that guy had a solid grasp of economics, he'd work with actual numbers and policy instead of platitudes and pretending Obama is stopping everyone from being a 1%er. The dollar values are pointless, especially when you compare those hypotheticals to actual IRL inequality: http://www2.ucsc.edu/whorulesamerica/power/wealth.html
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Defenestration posted:Counterpoint: my liberal New Yorker family. So like, it's not a personal insult, just listen for the dog whistles. Or ask a New York Jew about Palestinians and see what you get. Some of the most outspoken critics of Israel I know are Jews. Like, I know that the type of people you're talking about exist, but in my experience the only people I've met in NYC who are dogwhistle racists have either been libertarians, cops, or conservatives. Like, this is a pretty blunt city. The social circles I move in are pretty progressive and that includes the subject of race. So, hey, gently caress you too for implying that there's something about New York liberals that makes us lovely about race. I get it, though. The city has a reputation for being pretty liberal and I guess that a lot of people forget that the upper crust here is pretty conservative. Just don't think that their views are indicative of what the actual liberals here think. Kit Walker fucked around with this message at 17:08 on Oct 5, 2014 |
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From a while back but.Fulchrum posted:Actually, there are only two CEO's alive today who were ever actually nowhere-to-go, sleep-on-the-street homeless - Joe Roberts and Oprah. People talk about Steve Jobs (crashed with friends), John Paul Dejoria (had a car), and Howard Schultz (lived in government housing), and insist that they were homeless. Couch surfing and living in a car both count as homelessness. Is it better to have a car or a friend's couch? Of course, just like it's better to have a belt holding up your pants instead of a length of rope. That doesn't mean you're "not homeless" unless your pants are held up by rope. As far as government housing goes, I don't know Schultz's specific situation. A lot of people in subsidized housing struggle with homelessness during transitions. All those guys can gently caress off but let's not redefine homelessness to do it.
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Discendo Vox posted:"The Elven Jew" is perhaps the strangest concept this board has ever introduced me to. Thank you. I've been playing Shadows of Mordor so the barbaric Muslim Orcs/fey Elven Jews idea is floating around my head. It works especially well when you consider how Israelis are being played up to be this dying race/culture being beaten back by the unwashed Islamic horde. Kit Walker posted:Some of the most outspoken critics of Israel I know are Jews. Like, I know that the type of people you're talking about exist, but in my experience the only people I've met in NYC who are dogwhistle racists have either been libertarians, cops, or conservatives. Like, this is a pretty blunt city. The social circles I move in are pretty progressive and that includes the subject of race. So, hey, gently caress you too for implying that there's something about New York liberals that makes us lovely about race. I get it, though. The city has a reputation for being pretty liberal and I guess that a lot of people forget that the upper crust here is pretty conservative. Just don't think that their views are indicative of what the actual liberals here think. I dunno dude. My family is mostly middle-class Puerto Ricans who are pretty democrat/far left/progressive, but some of them when it comes to issues of race can trend towards regressive/bigoted policies. There are people I know in that same economic status who consider themselves "classic liberals", as opposed to progressives, who are all basically for liberal economic policies but also don't want [borderline racist poo poo that will probably never happen] in their neighborhood. Verisimilidude fucked around with this message at 17:52 on Oct 5, 2014 |
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Oct 5, 2014 17:45
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There has been a very obvious grammar mistake in the title of this thread for more than five years now.
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Oct 5, 2014 17:49
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Are you suggesting the OP should correct it?
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Oct 5, 2014 17:59
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Chelovek-Govno posted:There has been a very obvious grammar mistake in the title of this thread for more than five years now. Only mods or admins can change thread titles and it's not really all that important. I'm not sure why you thought this was a meaningful point with which to enter into this thread for your first time though. zeroprime posted:Are you suggesting the OP should correct it? In fairness he registered about two months ago and may not know that the OP is one of the four Americans killed in Benghazi on September 11, 2012. e: vvv Ah, that's just scummy then. Good to know. Mo_Steel fucked around with this message at 18:15 on Oct 5, 2014 |
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Oct 5, 2014 18:01
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He's a rereg. He knows what he's doing.
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Oct 5, 2014 18:10
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Everybody complains. Nobody talks about how wonderful for America the Koch brothers really are! http://www.ijreview.com/2014/10/183154-11-things-one-ever-takes-time-point-koch-brothers/
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Haha oh man, I was wondering how that conservative Upworthy knockoff could outdo itself, but Jesus Christ that's even worse than their "Freshman shames Ivy League college over white privilege" article where some douche was fellating Tal Fortgang for his "Why I'll never apologize for my white privilege" article in the Princeton Tory and TIME.
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Discendo Vox posted:"The Elven Jew" is perhaps the strangest concept this board has ever introduced me to. Thank you. It is strange, as the dwarf is a much greater Jew parallel, including, but not limited to, their penchant for sweeping arches, doors that speak in riddles, and cities build on top of crevices through which Great Demons emerge
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muike posted:It is strange, as the dwarf is a much greater Jew parallel, including, but not limited to, their penchant for sweeping arches, doors that speak in riddles, and cities build on top of crevices through which Great Demons emerge Jews are well known for diving too deep in their greed and unleashing all sorts of fun from the dark places beneath the earth.
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muike posted:It is strange, as the dwarf is a much greater Jew parallel, including, but not limited to, their penchant for sweeping arches, doors that speak in riddles, and cities build on top of crevices through which Great Demons emerge Arrrgh. Arrgh, this hurts. It's like a game of antisemitic chicken.
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Verisimilidude posted:I've been playing Shadows of Mordor so the barbaric Muslim Orcs/fey Elven Jews idea is floating around my head. It works especially well when you consider how Israelis are being played up to be this dying race/culture being beaten back by the unwashed Islamic horde. Except the Elves in LOTR are dying out naturally and even then it's not really 'dying out' so much as 'accepting the end of their age and moving on to heaven'. Also while the Orcs are evil, yes, they're also twisted and corrupted Elves at their core, forced into such evil by Sauron rather than being truly inherently evil. In the end of LOTR there are no more Orcs and the elves go off into heaven in peace, the whole point is the war was entirely because of an outside evil. muike posted:It is strange, as the dwarf is a much greater Jew parallel, including, but not limited to, their penchant for sweeping arches, doors that speak in riddles, and cities build on top of crevices through which Great Demons emerge Tolkien literally said he did Dwarves as a 'tribute' to Jews or some such, Hebrew was a base for their language, their features are super Jewy, the Dwarfs in his book were Jews straight up. Of course for some reason he thought that adding in 'strong warriors' to 'greedy assholes who destroy themselves in their quest for more gold' somehow negated the implications there, but hey for his time he gets a gold star for making any race of Not-Jews a noble heroic one.
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Tatum Girlparts posted:Also while the Orcs are evil, yes, they're also twisted and corrupted Elves at their core, forced into such evil by Sauron rather than being truly inherently evil.
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To be fair moral arguments are a lot easier when there are multiple provable supernatural entities that are demonstrably evil. External objective sources of good and evil simplify a lot of things which is probably why we like to pretend they exist.
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 modern racial tensions could all be resolved if you guys would just read The Silmarillion.
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Discendo Vox posted:Arrrgh. Arrgh, this hurts. It's like a game of antisemitic chicken. Dwarves, like Jews, are also well renowned for their incredible masonry skills, often attributed to literal stone running through their blood. Modern science attributes this to a high-iron diet.
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Discendo Vox posted:Arrrgh. Arrgh, this hurts. It's like a game of antisemitic chicken. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UYY82Am-qD8
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