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Fister Roboto
Feb 21, 2008

I'd say that's impressive in the same sense that a guy who collects 10 years worth of fingernail clippings is impressive.

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ZenMasterBullshit
Nov 2, 2011

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As a kid I got to the mid-teens in levels while still on Destiny Islands in KH1 because I wanted to try out magic faster.

I picked the Wand so I figured I'd learn something by leveling.

Favorabilis Solitud
May 18, 2006
And that's the way it was.

Fister Roboto posted:

I'd say that's impressive in the same sense that a guy who collects 10 years worth of fingernail clippings is impressive.

Pretty much. I feel guilty enough knowing the grind spots in a FF game just so I can waste an hour or two there to breeze through a chunk of the story.


Its why FFVIII was incredible once you figured out you should avoid grinding and just draw magic and be done with it.

Ybrik
Jan 1, 2008



Favorabilis Solitud posted:

Pretty much. I feel guilty enough knowing the grind spots in a FF game just so I can waste an hour or two there to breeze through a chunk of the story.


Its why FFVIII was incredible once you figured out you should avoid grinding and just draw magic play triple triad and learn card mod and be done with it.

Fixed

Tae
Oct 24, 2010

Hello? Can you hear me? ...Perhaps if I shout? AAAAAAAAAH!
That reminds me of that WoW story that someone capped their level or some poo poo by never picking a side and just picking flowers.

Evil Fluffy
Jul 13, 2009

Scholars are some of the most pompous and pedantic people I've ever had the joy of meeting.

Help Im Alive posted:

I think there was a guy who grinded to level 99 in the mako reactor at the start of FFVII which is almost more impressive to me than the low level challenge runs even though you could probably speed it up a lot with emulators

A former roommate of mine was doing a playthrough where he was getting 99 of everything (without duping) that could be farmed. I'm not sure when he quit his run, probably when he met his wife, but I remember him being in the 30s or 40s inside Midgaard and I think he had level 3 limits unlocked on everyone he could as well. It was the dumbest poo poo I'd ever seen.

Thin Privilege
Jul 8, 2009
IM A STUPID MORON WITH AN UGLY FACE AND A BIG BUTT AND MY BUTT SMELLS AND I LIKE TO KISS MY OWN BUTT
Gravy Boat 2k

Help Im Alive posted:

I think there was a guy who grinded to level 99 in the mako reactor at the start of FFVII which is almost more impressive to me than the low level challenge runs even though you could probably speed it up a lot with emulators

Did this take 1,000 hours literally? Because I was just playing it 20 minutes ago from the beginning and I really don't understand how that's possible without killing yourself.

morallyobjected
Nov 3, 2012

JoeyJoJoJr Shabadoo posted:

Did this take 1,000 hours literally? Because I was just playing it 20 minutes ago from the beginning and I really don't understand how that's possible without killing yourself.

any person capable of doing it was probably dead inside long before they started

Caros
May 14, 2008

JoeyJoJoJr Shabadoo posted:

Did this take 1,000 hours literally? Because I was just playing it 20 minutes ago from the beginning and I really don't understand how that's possible without killing yourself.

Did some random calculations, but you're looking at a little bit over 110,000 enemies killed. With between 1-3 enemies per battle you're probably looking around 50,000 battles. Even assuming no load times you probably aren't going to get more than 3 battles a minute, and there is no way you're going to be doing this 'optimally' while paying attention. If you assume 3 battles a minute you're going about 277 hours. Drop that down to 2 a minute and you're over 400. Throw in saving on the off chance that the playstation fucks up/anything else... I'd say 500 is a pretty solid number.

So yeah. Twenty days of grinding for no reason.

Edit: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dOM8xYUTgn4

Apparently this guy is the one that did it. Supposedly took over 500 hours which seemed right to me, though looking at it I think I underestimated the number of enemies you could have in one battle. Not sure if I believe that this is a real thing since he basically only recorded the important parts after the first hour, but I think I'd actually feel better if he did fake it, because that means there is one less person with serious mental issues in the world.

Caros fucked around with this message at 07:50 on Oct 5, 2014

Endorph
Jul 22, 2009

Caros posted:

Did some random calculations, but you're looking at a little bit over 110,000 enemies killed. With between 1-3 enemies per battle you're probably looking around 50,000 battles. Even assuming no load times you probably aren't going to get more than 3 battles a minute, and there is no way you're going to be doing this 'optimally' while paying attention. If you assume 3 battles a minute you're going about 277 hours. Drop that down to 2 a minute and you're over 400. Throw in saving on the off chance that the playstation fucks up/anything else... I'd say 500 is a pretty solid number.

So yeah. Twenty days of grinding for no reason.

Edit: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dOM8xYUTgn4

Apparently this guy is the one that did it. Supposedly took over 500 hours which seemed right to me, though looking at it I think I underestimated the number of enemies you could have in one battle. Not sure if I believe that this is a real thing since he basically only recorded the important parts after the first hour, but I think I'd actually feel better if he did fake it, because that means there is one less person with serious mental issues in the world.
The editing in this video rules. Whatever mental issue this guy has, I want it.

Fister Roboto
Feb 21, 2008

Endorph posted:

Whatever mental issue this guy has, I want it.

Apparently it's called "being French".

THE AWESOME GHOST
Oct 21, 2005

In middle school a lot of my friends were totally obsessed with FF7 and did stuff like learning all of cloud's limit breaks before leaving Midgar, or learning all of Aeris' limit breaks so they could see the last one before she died. There was a LOT of grinding on hell houses in the slums.

One of them had multiple copies of stuff like the master materia.

Flytrap
Apr 30, 2013
Man, I used to do stuff like that, but I had a Gameshark, so I was getting like 10 levels per fight. I can't imagine trying to do that poo poo legit.

ACES CURE PLANES
Oct 21, 2010



MonsieurChoc posted:

Come on Squeenix, release the Alkasier DLC no one knows they want.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EugQfuu1Y6Q

Oh, I already knew I wanted it. :swoon: Too bad that Kenji Ito hasn't done a version for his remix tracks, but I guess you can't really improve perfection.

(Sadly they haven't released their off-album version in anything approaching good quality. I prefer that one.)

rednecked_crake
Mar 17, 2012

srsly who wants to play this lamer?

THE AWESOME GHOST posted:

In middle school a lot of my friends were totally obsessed with FF7 and did stuff like learning all of cloud's limit breaks before leaving Midgar, or learning all of Aeris' limit breaks so they could see the last one before she died. There was a LOT of grinding on hell houses in the slums.

One of them had multiple copies of stuff like the master materia.

Someone in High School claimed they played FF8 for so long that they broke the clock.

Xavier434
Dec 4, 2002

Systematic System posted:

If you do no-Crystarium runs, instead of grinding CP, you need to grind huge amounts of gil to make accessories that you wouldn't normally need at that point of the game. So its a grind either way (although no-crystarium runs take vastly longer than real runs anyways).

Now what is the point of this? It's still just finding a way to boost big numbers in order to beat a game but making it even more mind numbingly boring. I admire people who create artificial rules for themselves to add a more serious challenge that requires some innovative skill to overcome, but this is just mindless brute forcing without adding much if any additional skill.

That is a rhetorical question btw. I know why they do it and it is nuts.

Nihilarian
Oct 2, 2013


Caros posted:

Did some random calculations, but you're looking at a little bit over 110,000 enemies killed. With between 1-3 enemies per battle you're probably looking around 50,000 battles. Even assuming no load times you probably aren't going to get more than 3 battles a minute, and there is no way you're going to be doing this 'optimally' while paying attention. If you assume 3 battles a minute you're going about 277 hours. Drop that down to 2 a minute and you're over 400. Throw in saving on the off chance that the playstation fucks up/anything else... I'd say 500 is a pretty solid number.

So yeah. Twenty days of grinding for no reason.

Edit: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dOM8xYUTgn4

Apparently this guy is the one that did it. Supposedly took over 500 hours which seemed right to me, though looking at it I think I underestimated the number of enemies you could have in one battle. Not sure if I believe that this is a real thing since he basically only recorded the important parts after the first hour, but I think I'd actually feel better if he did fake it, because that means there is one less person with serious mental issues in the world.
Why would you grind there? You'll just have to grind again for the rest of your party.

I mean, assuming you want everyone at 99.

Sunning
Sep 14, 2011
Nintendo Guru

Fister Roboto posted:

Apparently it's called "being French".

At least, it's not like the Simcity fan who runs a Satantic cult.

RadicalR
Jan 20, 2008

"Businessmen are the symbol of a free society
---
the symbol of America."

... I guess those logos are from a Satantic cult then?

Sunning
Sep 14, 2011
Nintendo Guru

Nihilarian posted:

Why would you grind there? You'll just have to grind again for the rest of your party.

I mean, assuming you want everyone at 99.

There are a lot of RPG related challenges about maxing levels/stats before a point of no return, such as reaching level 100 in Destiny Island in Kingdom Hearts 1. Even if some people find it tedious or uninteresting, there's a good deal of analysis that goes into it, such as optimizing exp gains or utilizing glitches to speed up the run, that help regular players and speed runners.

RadicalR posted:

... I guess those logos are from a Satantic cult then?

No, that was a joke. The guy's actually a former Buddhist. Those symbols are just a concept for the iterations of his various strategies to max out population in a city.

Terper
Jun 26, 2012


MonsieurChoc posted:

Come on Squeenix, release the Alkasier DLC no one knows they want.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EugQfuu1Y6Q

They said they've wanted to do more Theatrhythm stuff, though Curtain Call is the last FF one. Maybe, someday, we'll get a best of SE? :unsmith:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HF1rqIWNQF8

fronz
Apr 7, 2009



Lipstick Apathy
Am I the only one that hated having to battle that much and ended up playing most games underleveled

Die Sexmonster!
Nov 30, 2005

fronz posted:

Am I the only one that hated having to battle that much and ended up playing most games underleveled

Not even a little. Playing these games without grinding or wandering is a natural way to add a little difficulty.

Seraphic Neoman
Jul 19, 2011


Nihilarian posted:

Why would you grind there? You'll just have to grind again for the rest of your party.

Don't your other party members come at a level equal to Cloud's current level?

Caros
May 14, 2008

Nihilarian posted:

Why would you grind there? You'll just have to grind again for the rest of your party.

I mean, assuming you want everyone at 99.

If you watch to the end, he immediately kills himself and stops playing via the escape timer once he hits level 99. Its more one of those "Look what I can do" than something he planned to play through the game with.

ZenMasterBullshit
Nov 2, 2011

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Caros posted:

If you watch to the end, he immediately kills himself and stops playing via the escape timer once he hits level 99. Its more one of those "Look what I can do" than something he planned to play through the game with.

He gets out with 00 on the clock. He doesn't die.

Schwartzcough
Aug 12, 2009

Don't tease the Octopus, kids!

SSNeoman posted:

Don't your other party members come at a level equal to Cloud's current level?

Yeah, I don't recall if FF7 does it based on Cloud's level or based on the party average. But since the party is Cloud and Barrett, and both are level 99, then yeah, everyone else should come in at 99 unless they have a [Party level-2] initial level or something.

Not that any of that matters, because it's still ridiculously pointless and crazy.

Barudak
May 7, 2007

HoboWithAShotgun posted:

Someone in High School claimed they played FF8 for so long that they broke the clock.

From vague memory because I used to leave the game on overnight when I was a kid cause I was forgetful as hell the clock stops at 99 hours. I think it weirdly enough goes to 99:99 not 99:59 but I really can't remember. Either way its a low number you can easily achieve by being forgetful.

ACES CURE PLANES
Oct 21, 2010



FFVIII's clock, if I remember right, loops three times over, changing colors each time. So it's actually a lot harder to max out the clock than a bunch of other games.

NikkolasKing
Apr 3, 2010



Yep, when you go over 100 hours the timer starts over and the numbers turn red. My last playthrough with the Requiem mod was about 115 hours long.

Thin Privilege
Jul 8, 2009
IM A STUPID MORON WITH AN UGLY FACE AND A BIG BUTT AND MY BUTT SMELLS AND I LIKE TO KISS MY OWN BUTT
Gravy Boat 2k

Caros posted:

Did some random calculations, but you're looking at a little bit over 110,000 enemies killed. With between 1-3 enemies per battle you're probably looking around 50,000 battles. Even assuming no load times you probably aren't going to get more than 3 battles a minute, and there is no way you're going to be doing this 'optimally' while paying attention. If you assume 3 battles a minute you're going about 277 hours. Drop that down to 2 a minute and you're over 400. Throw in saving on the off chance that the playstation fucks up/anything else... I'd say 500 is a pretty solid number.

So yeah. Twenty days of grinding for no reason.

Edit: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dOM8xYUTgn4

Apparently this guy is the one that did it. Supposedly took over 500 hours which seemed right to me, though looking at it I think I underestimated the number of enemies you could have in one battle. Not sure if I believe that this is a real thing since he basically only recorded the important parts after the first hour, but I think I'd actually feel better if he did fake it, because that means there is one less person with serious mental issues in the world.

:psyduck:


THE AWESOME GHOST posted:

In middle school a lot of my friends were totally obsessed with FF7 and did stuff like learning all of cloud's limit breaks before leaving Midgar, or learning all of Aeris' limit breaks so they could see the last one before she died. There was a LOT of grinding on hell houses in the slums.

One of them had multiple copies of stuff like the master materia.

I kind of hate myself that cloud is at limit level 3 and I'm not even at Junon, but at the same time I'm just holding down O while doing other real life stuff.

Die Sexmonster!
Nov 30, 2005

JoeyJoJoJr Shabadoo posted:

:psyduck:


I kind of hate myself that cloud is at limit level 3 and I'm not even at Junon, but at the same time I'm just holding down O while doing other real life stuff.

That's why the Mythril Mine exists and is in no way shameful.

bloodychill
May 8, 2004

And if the world
should end tonight,
I had a crazy, classic life
Exciting Lemon

Pyroxene Stigma posted:

That's why the Mythril Mine exists and is in no way shameful.

It is not but everything but recording yourself spending 500 hours leveling a character up to 99 in the first dungeon is a stupid and shameful thing to do. Almost anything else would be a better use of gaming time up to and including doing Drakengard LP's.

Edit: It's the kind of activity that makes me severely doubt Star Trek's premise that given a lack of wants, mankind would work to better themselves. No they wouldn't, they'd beat FF7 for the 130th time only using Barrett.

bloodychill fucked around with this message at 00:02 on Oct 6, 2014

Thin Privilege
Jul 8, 2009
IM A STUPID MORON WITH AN UGLY FACE AND A BIG BUTT AND MY BUTT SMELLS AND I LIKE TO KISS MY OWN BUTT
Gravy Boat 2k

Pyroxene Stigma posted:

That's why the Mythril Mine exists and is in no way shameful.

Maybe you're right. I did it on the world map though, one hand on the controller and the other hand petting a cat. :catstare:

Kind of a fake edit but embarrassing would be if my old ps1 memory card still had the save file where I was level 99 in general. On the plus side I one-shotted sephiroth. On the minus side, my childhood :negative:

bloodychill posted:

It's the kind of activity that makes me severely doubt Star Trek's premise that given a lack of wants, mankind would work to better themselves. No they wouldn't, they'd beat FF7 for the 130th time only using Barrett.


Real edit ^^ and then argue on the Internet over whose play through was more real/canon/whatever. And potentially make gross porn from it.

Thin Privilege fucked around with this message at 00:06 on Oct 6, 2014

Blackbelt Bobman
Jul 17, 2004

I don't need friends! I've been
manipulatin' you since the start!
All so I can something,
something X-Blade!


My sister used Devour on T-Rexsaurs in FFVIII to get Squall's base STR to 255

But she legitimately has OCD so

Mega64
May 23, 2008

I took the octopath less travelered,

And it made one-eighth the difference.

Blackbelt Bobman posted:

My sister used Devour on T-Rexsaurs in FFVIII to get Squall's base STR to 255

But she legitimately has OCD so

That's not as bad because at least she spent her time literally eating dinosaurs.

Die Sexmonster!
Nov 30, 2005

bloodychill posted:

Edit: It's the kind of activity that makes me severely doubt Star Trek's premise that given a lack of wants, mankind would work to better themselves. No they wouldn't, they'd beat FF7 for the 130th time only using Barrett.

Haha. Arguably there's less need for escapism in the world of Star Trek. The desire to escape produces some interesting behavior!

rednecked_crake
Mar 17, 2012

srsly who wants to play this lamer?

bloodychill posted:

Edit: It's the kind of activity that makes me severely doubt Star Trek's premise that given a lack of wants, mankind would work to better themselves. No they wouldn't, they'd beat FF7 for the 130th time only using Barrett.

Off-topic, but Star Trek in general is just unbelievable and not only because almost every single character behaves like a robotic space monk, or every single alien is basically human, it's just bad sci-fi.

Something like a robot or a teleporter or a replicator is technology that has social consequences. Even modern technology does. What are the social consequences of airplanes or armored landships? HG Wells and Jules Verne wrote on these subjects.

Trek doesn't explore anything like that. It's a universe where all the issues regarding technology have been neatly sorted out and now we have a utopian society that just flies around in spaceships meeting random cultures.

You know, things like the social consequences of living permanently in space, free energy, robots & AI, etc. Star Trek doesn't really explore any of these issues, like you have with authors such as Asimov (3 laws of robotics and how they play out), Atwood (genetic engineering and how it's used to 'fix' imperfections or used to create extremely efficient food) and so on. TNG is just a ship full of weird, mostly sexless, space monks. They all behave like they've had lobotomies because they make so many bizarre decisions and reactions to different situations that I really can't take any of it seriously.

Like, I don't even understand why anyone would volunteer for Starfleet. It's hard work, dangerous, and the only reward is... Well... I don't really know. We're supposed to believe that humanity is a species devoted entirely to science and the arts, but that just isn't something that would realistically happen. I wouldn't want to spend 12 hours fixing the space toilets, just because we're off to meet alien race #154, whose only different from #153 is that their ridges are on their chins instead of on their noses. I'd be on Earth spending all day on the holodeck with a dozen Trills.



H-Hey baby... :spergin:

ZenMasterBullshit
Nov 2, 2011

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This is the saddest post in a thread called Final Fantasy Megathread.

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Endorph
Jul 22, 2009

HoboWithAShotgun posted:

Off-topic, but Star Trek in general is just unbelievable and not only because almost every single character behaves like a robotic space monk, or every single alien is basically human, it's just bad sci-fi.

Something like a robot or a teleporter or a replicator is technology that has social consequences. Even modern technology does. What are the social consequences of airplanes or armored landships? HG Wells and Jules Verne wrote on these subjects.

Trek doesn't explore anything like that. It's a universe where all the issues regarding technology have been neatly sorted out and now we have a utopian society that just flies around in spaceships meeting random cultures.

You know, things like the social consequences of living permanently in space, free energy, robots & AI, etc. Star Trek doesn't really explore any of these issues, like you have with authors such as Asimov (3 laws of robotics and how they play out), Atwood (genetic engineering and how it's used to 'fix' imperfections or used to create extremely efficient food) and so on. TNG is just a ship full of weird, mostly sexless, space monks. They all behave like they've had lobotomies because they make so many bizarre decisions and reactions to different situations that I really can't take any of it seriously.

Like, I don't even understand why anyone would volunteer for Starfleet. It's hard work, dangerous, and the only reward is... Well... I don't really know. We're supposed to believe that humanity is a species devoted entirely to science and the arts, but that just isn't something that would realistically happen. I wouldn't want to spend 12 hours fixing the space toilets, just because we're off to meet alien race #154, whose only different from #153 is that their ridges are on their chins instead of on their noses. I'd be on Earth spending all day on the holodeck with a dozen Trills.



H-Hey baby... :spergin:

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