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Hunterhr posted:Wait before you go what do you think about the F-35. Wait, I thought this thread was unanimous on the F-35 being terrible?
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Cippalippus posted:I'm not in denial, the problems of my country aren't what's being discussed here. There are many bad things about Switzerland, but the fact that we get to vote about a lot of stuff, or the fact that we used said chance to vote against spending on things we don't need isn't one of them. Guys institutionalized bigotry is cool cause we get to vote on it and stuff.
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evil_bunnY posted:I thought lmams was a kamikaze-in-a-box, how do they air-to-air? I imagine it looks a lot like newbies playing WarThunder.
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Execu-speak posted:Wait, I thought this thread was unanimous on the F-35 being terrible? Shhh, I already mentioned lasers. Stop talking about it or you'll summon him.
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Mike-o posted:Shhh, I already mentioned lasers. Stop talking about it or you'll summon him. I'm pretty sure He died in a building collapse.
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evil_bunnY posted:I thought lmams was a kamikaze-in-a-box, how do they air-to-air? the idea is to use have it guided to an intercept point through the radar operator talking to the lmams operator then the eo/IR sensor lets him fly it into the target. I mean... cool and everything but man does this seem primitive
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AceRimmer posted:I miss Gavinchat. But on the other hand, I think we've found a country ready to be toppled by one. If necessary, we can bring in the Aerogavins after dark.
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Mortabis posted:...let's post some loving planes Or Helicopters for that matter; The Army is pretty committed to replacing the Blackhawk and Apache with a single muti-role helicopter at this point and several companies have already submitted potential designs. Some of them are pretty out there concept wise as far a helicopters go. The Defiant, which is going to be a larger troop transport variation of Sikorsky's Raider  Bell's V-280 Valor which is a redesign of the Blackhawk into a mini-osprey.  The Eurocopter X3  The Piasecki X-49A  And the AVX OH-58D showed up again to be laughed at.  
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Well if that isn't the most fucky looking things I've ever seen. It looks like a transformer who couldn't decide if they wanted to be a helicopter, airplane or submarine.
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wdarkk posted:What about the one that had two rotors side-by-side at a small angle. I figured that arrangement would be pretty good for avoiding some of the pitfalls of the "two rotors stacked up" designs. The K-max is pretty cool and does lift very well. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaman_K-MAX
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Doctor Grape Ape posted:Well if that isn't the most fucky looking things I've ever seen. It looks like a transformer who couldn't decide if they wanted to be a helicopter, airplane or submarine. Dunno about you but if I were a transformer I wouldn't be able to decide either. Is there a requirement in this competition that the design has to have some kind of unconventional rotor layout? Mortabis fucked around with this message at 01:09 on Oct 6, 2014 |
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The army should buy all of them. They all look awesome in a "GIJOE ACTION FIGURE PLAYSET" kinda way.
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The Piasecki X-49A always causes the theme from "airwolf" to run through my head when I see a photo of it. Although it's just a rotor and not ~rocket boooooosters~
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-A n i m 8- posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GftPyjIm3Ps this is great
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-A n i m 8- posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GftPyjIm3Ps Compared to the VDV music video this was disappointingly un-fruity.
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Pornographic Memory posted:Compared to the VDV music video this was disappointingly un-fruity. This one? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OlQ6KqTlyfk Hello from the sky, motherfucker
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For fun cold war fuckery, everyone should watch "Tankový Prapor" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KAFRvEGa_bY Sorry there are no subtitles, but this movie lays out the uselessness of the average non-Russian Warsaw Pact unit of the Cold War
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Nostalgia4Infinity posted:You dig deep enough and holier-than-thou Europeans readily show their deeply held racism and xenophobia. 
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As much as I want to I'm not going to pile on the Euroracism / xenophobia train, but I will point out that NATO air cover isn't going to do dick to keep Grossmami warm in a long, cold winter when Putin turns the gas taps off. Which he's already doing. I'll effortpost about it in GiP if I have the time.
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Speaking of gas, Lithuania is opening up an LNG terminal in a couple months and signed a gas deal with Norway's Statoil. Gazprom immediately cut Lithuania's price by somewhere around 20%.
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Mike-o posted:Shhh, I already mentioned lasers. Stop talking about it or you'll summon him. http://rt.com/news/hellads-drone-predator-darpa-762/ Russia Today, everyone. Using a still from "Real Genius" and posting a picture of a fake jet-powered drone with "Navy" written on the side of it. "Question More" indeed. I blame the AI thread - I was looking for the model of an old target drone someone posted about when I came across this article. BIG HEADLINE fucked around with this message at 03:29 on Oct 6, 2014 |
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wargames posted:The K-max is pretty cool and does lift very well. I saw one of these at a smaller airfield in Lancaster once and had no idea what I was looking at. Back Hack posted:The Army is pretty committed to replacing the Blackhawk and Apache with a single muti-role helicopter at this point and several companies have already submitted potential designs. Some of them are pretty out there concept wise as far a helicopters go. The USSR learned with the Hind that this didn't really work out as well as they thought it would. But I guess it might make a little more sense if you aren't trying to perform the assault and gunship missions at the same time with the same aircraft.
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StandardVC10 posted:The USSR learned with the Hind that this didn't really work out as well as they thought it would. But I guess it might make a little more sense if you aren't trying to perform the assault and gunship missions at the same time with the same aircraft. Soooo many "AV-22" images on Google Image Search. "Let's make a CH-53-sized combination attack/transport tiltrotor. Not like *we'll* ever have to go to war in one!" 
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BIG HEADLINE posted:http://rt.com/news/hellads-drone-predator-darpa-762/ Well, that's a real UAV: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Atomics_Avenger That has flow and done testing and stuff. I highly doubt the whole Grover weapon though. Seems like GD has only made 3 of them so far.
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Mortabis posted:Dunno about you but if I were a transformer I wouldn't be able to decide either. That all really seems to stem from the really high cruise speed the army is looking for. I forget if this article is behind a paywall, but the most recent update gives a pretty good reason for why the Karem and AVX proposals more or less got told to gently caress off. Between that and Google/wiki you can get a decent idea of the program/requirements. https://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/jmr-fvl-the-us-militarys-future-helicopters-014035/
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Mazz posted:That all really seems to stem from the really high cruise speed the army is looking for. It's behind a paywall unfortunately. 
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BIG HEADLINE posted:Using a still from "Real Genius" a quality film. Also the solution to the helicopter thing is simple. When a V-22 isn't enough ...  bring in a V-44 
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Gunship and transport on the same base airframe worked on the huey in viet- Oh Jesus. That's the thinking that gave us the F-35 wasn't it. 
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The only same platform gunship/transport that's better than mediocre at either is the goddamn C-130. 
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Throatwarbler posted:It worked fine for the USSR until the other side got MANPADS. Kinda like the AC-130 in Vietnam.
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Plinkey posted:Well, that's a real UAV: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Atomics_Avenger That has flow and done testing and stuff. I know it's a real UAV - the point is that 1) it has 'Navy' written on the side, and I'm pretty sure the Air Force would rather go rogue and end the world than ever cede any of their UAV 'business' to the Navy (hence them getting their own - and better - version of the Global Hawk and going for the X-45 over something smaller and more practical), and 2) the photo credit is from a CAD/CAM designer who went a bit insane giving the thing more armament than an ED-209, not General Atomics. EDIT: Evidently the image might've been a commission for this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Atomics_Avenger#Sea_Avenger MRC48B posted:Gunship and transport on the same base airframe worked on the huey in viet- Actually, if McNamara had had his way, the F-35 of the 60s and early 70s would've been the "F-111 common platform." They still got their pound of flesh by making the F-14A use the TF30. Every drawn-out American BIG HEADLINE fucked around with this message at 08:51 on Oct 6, 2014 |
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bewbies posted:the idea is to use have it guided to an intercept point through the radar operator talking to the lmams operator then the eo/IR sensor lets him fly it into the target.
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Cippalippus posted:That's a pretty short list of old crap that pales in comparison to the more recent bullshit that the USA has pulled on the world. I'm sorry, I must've missed the history lesson where the teacher discussed how the United States brutally invaded, occupied and colonized a dozen independent states for half a century. My bad! quote:Anyway, and to the point, the countries you listed didn't have anything to do with Russia, but with the Soviet Union, which at the time was ruled by a Georgian. Putin got you covered on that and evened the score. I can't find an emoticon suitable enough for the level of  in this paragraph.
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Throatwarbler posted:It worked fine for the USSR until the other side got MANPADS, because those are pretty good against helicopters. If Vietnam happened in the 1980s instead of the 1960s the US would have found the same thing. There were a lot of practical problems with the tactical employments of Hinds as troop carriers. For example, the Hind is actually an excellent performer, but holding troops and their gear adds a significant amount of weight to the airframe, so they end up being slower. Also, having your troop carriers seperate from your attack helicopters lets the troop carrying element do its own thing and operate behind the attack helos. I have no idea what the obsession with having everything be the same platform is. It sounds like if they could get away with it, the Pentagon would scrap all other US Army vehicles but the Stryker and just make everything a Stryker variant.
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