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Driving down to see my sister get married in middle of nowhere, southern Colorado tomorrow. Never thought I'd see the day!
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Dumbass Oklahoman Gov. posted:What has been ignored, however, is the right of Oklahomans – and Americans in every state – to write their own laws and govern themselves as they see fit. "There's too much government! Every American should be able to govern themselves! Unless we think it's icky and gross and non-traditional!" I don't understand how something beyond a one-dimensional comic book villain could say something in such blatant contrast to their intent. There is no feasible way to spin "stopping other people from doing a harmless thing I don't like" into "Allowing Americans to write their own laws". 
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Oct 6, 2014 19:29
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I think most of the Oklahoma Legislature likes to pretend the Federal Government doesn't exist.
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Oct 6, 2014 19:48
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Morter posted:"There's too much government! Every American should be able to govern themselves! Unless we think it's icky and gross and non-traditional!" When they say limited government they just mean the federal government. They think state governments should be able to do whatever they want as long as the people vote for it.
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Oct 6, 2014 19:49
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mr. mephistopheles posted:When they say limited government they just mean the federal government. They think state governments should be able to do whatever they want as long as the people vote for it. "We are one nation until the nation tries to tell me what to do and then gently caress the nation!"
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Oct 6, 2014 20:01
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Morter posted:"There's too much government! Every American should be able to govern themselves! Unless we think it's icky and gross and non-traditional!" The argument is that the majority of a state should get to decide on how that state's institutions work. I disagree in this case, and think the courts are doing good work here protecting minority rights, but it's not hard to understand being angry when a court overturns a popularly-enacted law you supported. SSM opponents are wrong, not space aliens. platzapS fucked around with this message at 20:31 on Oct 6, 2014 |
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Oct 6, 2014 20:27
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I think this is a good example of the judicial system working how it's supposed to: protecting minorities from tyranny of the majority.
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Oct 6, 2014 20:29
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Cythereal posted:I think this is a good example of the judicial system working how it's supposed to: protecting minorities from tyranny of the majority. Yeah, that's what they have such a problem with.
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Oct 6, 2014 20:32
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Captain_Maclaine posted:Yeah, that's what they have such a problem with. On the other hand maybe I'm taking their argument too much on face value. Nobody really supports minority rights or majority rule as a principle, usually just selectively if it benefits them.
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Oct 6, 2014 20:37
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Cythereal posted:I think this is a good example of the judicial system working how it's supposed to: protecting minorities from tyranny of the majority. I think it's worth noting that support of same-sex marriage is no longer the minority opinion in the US, at least according to more recent polls. Per wiki - quote:A Washington Post/ABC News poll from February–March 2014 found a record high of 59% of Americans approve of same-sex marriage, with only 34% opposed and 7% with no opinion. In May 2013, a Gallup poll showed that 53% of Americans would vote for a law legalizing same-sex marriage in all 50 states. Three previous readings over the course of a year consistently showed support at 50% or above. Gallup noted: "Just three years ago, support for gay marriage was 44%. The current 53% level of support is essentially double the 27% in Gallup's initial measurement on gay marriage, in 1996. I mean sure, polls aren't exactly foolproof, but it's comforting to know it's certainly becoming the norm to support it. Cpt. Mahatma Gandhi fucked around with this message at 20:40 on Oct 6, 2014 |
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Oct 6, 2014 20:38
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Cpt. Mahatma Gandhi posted:I think it's worth noting that support of same-sex marriage is no longer the minority opinion in the US, at least in recent polls. Not in some states, however, and that's without getting into the whole silent majority thing a lot of conservatives believe in. My state won't be too much longer, I hope. Tallahassee is hopelessly corrupt and out of touch with the peninsula, but they are decent about seeing which way the wind is blowing.
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Oct 6, 2014 20:41
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Cythereal posted:Not in some states, however, and that's without getting into the whole silent majority thing a lot of conservatives believe in. Ah, that's fair about the individual states, and it's probably where this "they're going against the will of the people!" outrage by conservative governors is coming from.
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Oct 6, 2014 20:42
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 Sharon Baldwin and Mary Bishop, of Smith v. Bishop, about an hour ago.
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Oct 6, 2014 20:44
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Cpt. Mahatma Gandhi posted:Ah, that's fair about the individual states, and it's probably where this "they're going against the will of the people!" outrage by conservative governors is coming from. Florida is probably going to bow to the inevitable - Tallahassee is full of poo poo, but if money isn't involved they're not stubborn about accepting change. I'm expecting Louisiana or Mississippi to be the last holdout.
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Oct 6, 2014 20:48
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Cythereal posted:Florida is probably going to bow to the inevitable - Tallahassee is full of poo poo, but if money isn't involved they're not stubborn about accepting change. Incidentally, Florida Attorney General Pam Bondi is gonna have to answer some questions tonight... that's when she faces her Democratic opponent in their one and only televised debate. 
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Oct 6, 2014 20:51
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Ballz posted:Incidentally, Florida Attorney General Pam Bondi is gonna have to answer some questions tonight... that's when she faces her Democratic opponent in their one and only televised debate. Pity I have plans for tonight. This could be fun.
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Oct 6, 2014 20:54
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Cythereal posted:Pity I have plans for tonight. This could be fun. drat you Bright House! I wanted to watch it. (Only airing in Orlando and Tampa)
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Oct 6, 2014 21:24
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quote:South Carolina Attorney General Alan Wilson says he will keep fighting to uphold the state's constitutional ban on gay marriage. Wilson issued a statement Monday hours after the U.S. Supreme Court decided not to hear an appeal of a ruling allowing same-sex marriage by a federal appeals court with jurisdiction over South Carolina. Wilson says no ruling has been made in a lawsuit by a same-sex couple legally married in Washington, D.C., who live in South Carolina. They are asking to overturn the state's gay marriage ban. Wilson says he will keep fighting until there is a ruling in that case. This sure does sound like a plan.
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Oct 6, 2014 21:27
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No unbroken coast to coast chain. No progress on Chef MIMAL. No gay Vegas weddings. At least there should be many photos of overdressed couples in town hall ruining it for the weekday slacker crowd. Enjoy the horrors of the Buzzfeed map. Curves and subtle colors are for nerds! 
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Oct 6, 2014 21:32
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OK tearsquote:"The people of Oklahoma have the right to determine how marriage is defined. In 2004, Oklahomans exercised that right, voting by a margin of 3-1 to define marriage as the union of one man and one woman. The will of the people has now been overridden by unelected federal justices, accountable to no one. That is both undemocratic and a violation of states’ rights. Rather than allowing states to make their own policies that reflect the values and views of their residents, federal judges have inserted themselves into a state issue to pursue their own agendas. Today’s decision has been cast by the media as a victory for gay rights. What has been ignored, however, is the right of Oklahomans – and Americans in every state – to write their own laws and govern themselves as they see fit. Those rights have once again been trampled by an arrogant, out-of -control federal government that wants to substitute Oklahoma values with Washington, D.C. values." - Oklahoma Gov. Mary Fallin
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States with bans ruled unconstitutional pending appeals: Florida, Kentucky, Michigan, Texas, Arkansas, Colorado, and Idaho.
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Oct 6, 2014 21:42
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Cythereal posted:States with bans ruled unconstitutional pending appeals: Florida, Kentucky, Michigan, Texas, Arkansas, Colorado, and Idaho. Texas will be delightful
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Oct 6, 2014 21:43
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Texas would be nice, since it really sucks being a second-class citizen.
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Oct 6, 2014 21:47
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 .@JessOfRVA is outside Richmond courthouse w/ flowers for anybody getting married today
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Oct 6, 2014 21:50
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Missouri AG won't appeal the ruling to recognize marriages from other states: http://www.buzzfeed.com/chrisgeidner/missouri-must-recognize-same-sex-marriages-granted-elsewhere#p6a7th
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Oct 6, 2014 21:52
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katium posted:Missouri AG won't appeal the ruling to recognize marriages from other states: http://www.buzzfeed.com/chrisgeidner/missouri-must-recognize-same-sex-marriages-granted-elsewhere#p6a7th Honestly this is probably the smartest thing to do if they want to delay marriage equality, forcing something up to the circuit courts is probably just going to do more harm than good at this point if you don't want to see broader recognition.
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Oct 6, 2014 21:55
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jkyuusai posted:drat you Bright House! I wanted to watch it. (Only airing in Orlando and Tampa) I wonder if they'll be streaming it live on BayNews9.com...
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Oct 6, 2014 22:01
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Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:Texas will be delightful Texas is most likely going to create the case that gets SCOTUS to make a ruling. The 5th Circuit is conservative as hell and is almost guaranteed to give us the anti-SSM ruling that creates a circuit split. The 5th covers Texas, Louisiana, and Mississippi, but Texas' case is furthest along, being currently on the 5th Circuit's calendar of upcoming cases.
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Oct 6, 2014 22:02
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RollCall posted:While most Republicans shied away from commenting Monday on the Supreme Court’s historic decision to let stand a slew of lower court rulings legalizing gay marriage, Sen. Ted Cruz torched the court’s decision. Oh come on now, even Ted Cruz should know he is trolling too hard with a constitutional amendment.
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Oct 6, 2014 22:21
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With a SCOTUS delay there's a reasonable chance of a marriage ruling right as the 2016 GOP nominee has to shake the Etch-A-Sketch.
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Three Olives posted:Oh come on now, even Ted Cruz should know he is trolling too hard with a constitutional amendment. For Ted Cruz, there is no such thing. We're taking about a man who read Green Eggs and Ham during a faux filibuster, while missing the entire point of the book, which is meant for children. I look forward to seeing him try though.
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Oct 6, 2014 22:30
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quote:The people of Oklahoma have the right to determine how marriage is defined. Isn't this precisely what the courts said isn't true?
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Oct 6, 2014 23:03
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ColdPie posted:Isn't this precisely what the courts said isn't true? Yep. The majority do not have the right to take away the rights of minorities.
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Oct 6, 2014 23:06
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ColdPie posted:Isn't this precisely what the courts said isn't true? Generally it is true, except when the laws infringe on constitutional rights, which trump.
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Oct 6, 2014 23:08
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I sometimes wonder what these people expect the courts to do. "Well this is clearly unconstitutional, but people voted for it so whatever."
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Oct 6, 2014 23:17
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Rorus Raz posted:I sometimes wonder what these people expect the courts to do. Make rulings they agree with.
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Oct 6, 2014 23:18
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Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:
This is great! I work in downtown Richmond a few blocks from the courthouse and considered going over to look for happy people after work but didn't and now I regret it 
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Oct 6, 2014 23:18
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ColdPie posted:Isn't this precisely what the courts said isn't true? To be fair just because the Supreme Court say it doesn't mean it's true, unless racism really is over.
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Oct 6, 2014 23:28
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mr. mephistopheles posted:Wyoming beat a whole bunch of states way less conservative than it. Not so fast! http://trib.com/news/state-and-regi...96140242b7.html quote:Despite action Monday morning from the U.S. Supreme Court that could pave the way for same-sex marriage in Wyoming, Gov. Matt Mead said he will proceed with a state case. In case you were wondering what the Wyoming Constitution says about same-sex marriage, here it is:
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Cythereal posted:Make rulings they agree with. We have a winner.
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