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An Angry Bug posted:Not unless the mods do their loving jobs, anyway. But point taken. Keep in mind, some idiot on the forums (Boomerjinks) makes "movie car replicas" and Telltale Games asked to rent one of them from him for some convention tie-in thing. The car had damage and he tried to pin it on Telltale and decided to use both reddit and SA as the mob to do his bidding. Internet swarmed the former head of PR for Telltale and she was on the receiving end of a poo poo load of threats and some Internet strangers showing up at her door (I think she had just been diagnosed with cancer, too). Well, turns out Boomerjinks was full of poo poo and wrecked havoc on someone's life because he's a lazy moron and the car had not been damaged at all. This is an example of how progressive SA is in terms of feminism and gaming; this guy went completely unchecked. I don't think he was banned, either. (on my phone, can't efficiently check rap sheets)
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Fried Chicken posted:True. It still seems like it is worse to me though, like there has been a sharp rise in apocalyptic thinking, where it isn't enough to make your point, or rebut the other person's points or reach some sort of conciliation with them. Instead they must be completely destroyed. And it seems like this really kicked up in the past 20 years between the appearance of Fox News segregating media sources, the millennium giving rise to "end of the world" thinking, 9/11 prompting "clash of cultures" thinking, and the rise of Dominionism in pop media and politics. No, you're absolutely right - there's been a huge trend in disagreement being apocalyptic. I think a lot of it stems from the rise of mass media and commuter (and later Internet) culture; it's a lot easier to self-select your community these days and ignore your physical neighbors and focus instead on virtual neighbors who reinforce that your brand is the best brand and must never be questioned. Sure, there were papers for each political party in each city back in the day, but you still lived in a community and were involved in community activities (like bowling leagues or reading clubs or sewing circles or block parties) but those communities were locality-defined and so there was more of a chance that people would have very different political views and some level of tolerance needed to be developed. An interesting way to think about it might be that back then, communities were ethnically and religiously segregated, which is why being "whatever"-American was so important ninety years ago but seems kind of pointless now: because the communities were politically diverse while ethnically similar, your brand was much more based on ethnicity than politics; now that people can make "communities of choice" guided by similar interests, brands are much more about politics and choices than they are about ethnicity.
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Cheekio posted:These threads move too fast. What did Biden do now? He said that the Syrian Civil War / ISIS situation is something that nobody wants to deal with. The U.S. didn't want to deal with it at all and even our allies in the Middle East didn't want to deal with it until it came to their doorstep. He said that Turkey and other Arab allies ignored the problem and gave an example of Turkey letting people cross its border because they didn't want to engage armed people who were on their way to Syria (not our problem!). Then he complained that our allies just gave weapons and money indiscriminately to any rebel group that opposed Assad and some of them were sympathetic to / became ISIS, so it is kind of their fault and they don't want to deal with the results. Some of out Arab allies took offense to the implication that they didn't do anything, don't care, or want the U.S. to handle it for them. Edit: Here's his actual quote. quote:He said countries like Turkey, Saudi Arabia, and the United Arab Emirates were so focused on ousting Syrian President Bashar Assad that they did not properly vet the opposition groups to which they sent money and weapons. Leon Trotsky 2012 fucked around with this message at 19:03 on Oct 6, 2014 |
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Apocalyptic thinking is a response to oppression and suffering, ie it's saying: poo poo's hosed and someday this hosed poo poo will end. Of course there will be more of it with growing inequality and personal economic instability.
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Oct 6, 2014 18:55
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uncurable mlady posted:The thing about a feminism thread is that it's going to bring in assholes from other forums who will not get banned for lovely opinions, but they will successfully troll the poo poo out of the thread in an attempt to get other people banned. They will also create a massive target for off-site people to start digging through people's personal lives and dox them. This is absolutely correct but I find it funny that the thread basically got closed by seriously mentally Ill people mad about woman talking in one place together that didn't feature pregnancy on SA. "Close the feminazi SAFESPACE on Some Thing Awful!" said the whiny cabal from the loving definition of Safe Space Hug Boxes on the Internet.
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Oct 6, 2014 18:56
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McAlister posted:And I'm asking what other issues of fundamental equality you'd rather not discuss for fear of discomfort. I think you may be mistaking my point, which is that there are lots of people who have proven that they will poo poo all over this topic in a way that even puts off the mods of a site that is primarily known for trolling. I'd personally like to just ban large swaths of those people and let the actual discussion happen, but I'm not a mod. It's also a bad thing that SA of all places can't handle having a thread discussing the topic outside of the subforum that is literally named after a pile of poo poo. I'm just not about to personally go and make this specific thread the hill to die on.
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Oct 6, 2014 19:09
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Wait... which sub-forum is literally named after a pile of poo poo?
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Hodgepodge posted:I think you may be mistaking my point, which is that there are lots of people who have proven that they will poo poo all over this topic in a way that even puts off the mods of a site that is primarily known for trolling. I don't think this forum is majority black yet you are able to discuss racial issues openly. Yes trolls show up. The ferguson thread has more than a few. But the general D&D biome appears to have the requisite antibodies to deal with racist trolls. How did you develop them? Why can't you utilize similar defenses against other troll clans? Back to the original point, if Hillary wins the primaries the trolls will come regardless so coming up with a way to handle them would be wise preparation. Edit: added quote for context. McAlister fucked around with this message at 19:19 on Oct 6, 2014 |
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RoboChrist 9000 posted:Wait... which sub-forum is literally named after a pile of poo poo? GBS.
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RoboChrist 9000 posted:Wait... which sub-forum is literally named after a pile of poo poo? General Bullshit. Although I guess it's just "GBS" now? Does it being an acronym make it a figurative or literal reference to poo poo?
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RoboChrist 9000 posted:Wait... which sub-forum is literally named after a pile of poo poo? GBS Edit: Jinx
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Phone posted:Keep in mind, some idiot on the forums (Boomerjinks) makes "movie car replicas" and Telltale Games asked to rent one of them from him for some convention tie-in thing. The car had damage and he tried to pin it on Telltale and decided to use both reddit and SA as the mob to do his bidding. Internet swarmed the former head of PR for Telltale and she was on the receiving end of a poo poo load of threats and some Internet strangers showing up at her door (I think she had just been diagnosed with cancer, too). Huh, I thought Bommerjinks had given up after AI gave him poo poo for trying to make a Ghostbusters hearse out of a Subaru. Had no idea he went that far.
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Quote of the day, “Grandpa, can I get a selfie? Right, let’s do it. Let’s do it. Hold on, let’s do it. We’re gonna do it. Right there. Hey, we got it.” ~ Senator Mark Pryor to President Bill Clinton.
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Joementum posted:Quote of the day, “Grandpa, can I get a selfie? Right, let’s do it. Let’s do it. Hold on, let’s do it. We’re gonna do it. Right there. Hey, we got it.” ~ Senator Mark Pryor to President Bill Clinton. Can you source some of the quotes? Some of these have been hilarious and would love to get a bit more context.
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OK. The context is the Bill Clinton is campaigning for Mark Pryor today. Probably should have posted the video anyway. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z45Dp3UFqgg
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:He said that the Syrian Civil War / ISIS situation is something that nobody wants to deal with. The U.S. didn't want to deal with it at all and even our allies in the Middle East didn't want to deal with it until it came to their doorstep. He said that Turkey and other Arab allies ignored the problem and gave an example of Turkey letting people cross its border because they didn't want to engage armed people who were on their way to Syria (not our problem!). Then he complained that our allies just gave weapons and money indiscriminately to any rebel group that opposed Assad and some of them were sympathetic to / became ISIS, so it is kind of their fault and they don't want to deal with the results. Sooo.... Raskolnikov38 posted:The usual, told the truth in a public place.
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Phone posted:This is an example of how progressive SA is in terms of feminism and gaming; this guy went completely unchecked. I don't think he was banned, either. (on my phone, can't efficiently check rap sheets) So a typical GBS 2.0 poster, a typical D&D poster, and a typical Games poster (and the incident you cited I believe started in Games and then became a GBS/FYAD project) would have a number of differences.
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So apparently I can go away for 7 pages of this thread and come back to CTRL+F my name in a majority of those pages. Y'all need to drink less. So in actual news, apparently the current SCOTUS that you all like to believe is the second coming of Hitler pretty much gave gay marriage rights a win?
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Oct 6, 2014 20:36
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Amergin posted:So apparently I can go away for 7 pages of this thread and come back to CTRL+F my name in a majority of those pages. Y'all need to drink less.
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Oct 6, 2014 20:39
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Amergin posted:So apparently I can go away for 7 pages of this thread and come back to CTRL+F my name in a majority of those pages. Y'all need to drink less. You must not have actually searched for your name, or else you would have seen this has been mentioned.
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Amergin posted:So in actual news, apparently the current SCOTUS that you all like to believe is the second coming of Hitler pretty much gave gay marriage rights a win? And with it they reversed all the awful decisions they've made on labor rights and voting rights and political campaign funding and America was eternally blessed by a socialist utopia forevermore.
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JT Jag posted:Something Awful is not a monolith, though. The subforum structure leads to different standards of posting and different cultures. SA is tribalistic, to be honest. Many posters only post in a single subforum, and those who do cross between the lines likely only post in a small number of forums, or perhaps in specific bookmarked threads outside their usual environment that pertain to their usual tastes. I'm well aware of the factions/tribalism. If I remember correctly, that specific thread was in Games and in E/N, I don't remember why though.
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An Angry Bug posted:Not unless the mods do their loving jobs, anyway. But point taken. HOLY poo poo! I just found out what Happy Merchant is. I thought this poo poo didn't happen outside of FYAD 
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Phone posted:Keep in mind, some idiot on the forums (Boomerjinks) makes "movie car replicas" and Telltale Games asked to rent one of them from him for some convention tie-in thing. The car had damage and he tried to pin it on Telltale and decided to use both reddit and SA as the mob to do his bidding. Internet swarmed the former head of PR for Telltale and she was on the receiving end of a poo poo load of threats and some Internet strangers showing up at her door (I think she had just been diagnosed with cancer, too). Oh no, he's still an active member here, and still a tremendous, unrepentant shitheel.
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McAlister posted:Unless you are talking about porn/rape games I'm calling bullshit on that. And I doubt many men seriously play those frankly. They are kind of sad and pathetic. While I do agree that women have some unique experiences of truely terrible interactions which don't happen to men outside fringe cases (I saw some truely vile poo poo happen to some people who were outed as gay in wow) none of the things you listed are unique experiences for women. Thats honestly just another day in the life of anyone who plays a competitive online game, and sometimes even co-operative ones. Gamer culture is toxic for everyone and is badly in need of something to fix it. I would say though that from my experiences playing wow its competitive play that brings out the true monsters. My guild on a non-pvp realm has a equal gender split, a wide range of ethnicities and even some sexual identity diversity. In the short time I raided on a pvp server everyone was a white male from 16-25 and awful in every concievable way. I think its less gaming and more losing and looking for a reason or some sort of solace that causes it.
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Byolante posted:While I do agree that women have some unique experiences of truely terrible interactions which don't happen to men outside fringe cases (I saw some truely vile poo poo happen to some people who were outed as gay in wow) none of the things you listed are unique experiences for women. Thats honestly just another day in the life of anyone who plays a competitive online game, and sometimes even co-operative ones. Gamer culture is toxic for everyone and is badly in need of something to fix it. I would say though that from my experiences playing wow its competitive play that brings out the true monsters. My guild on a non-pvp realm has a equal gender split, a wide range of ethnicities and even some sexual identity diversity. In the short time I raided on a pvp server everyone was a white male from 16-25 and awful in every concievable way. I think its less gaming and more losing and looking for a reason or some sort of solace that causes it. It's gotten so bad that there are several games, including one of the biggest AAA games this year (Destiny), which have given up on automatic voice communication and switched to requiring mutual consent to be able to hear each other. It's getting blowback but I completely agree with this- the negatives of pervasive voice greatly outweigh the positives by now.
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Byolante posted:While I do agree that women have some unique experiences of truely terrible interactions which don't happen to men outside fringe cases (I saw some truely vile poo poo happen to some people who were outed as gay in wow) none of the things you listed are unique experiences for women. Thats honestly just another day in the life of anyone who plays a competitive online game, and sometimes even co-operative ones. Gamer culture is toxic for everyone and is badly in need of something to fix it. I would say though that from my experiences playing wow its competitive play that brings out the true monsters. My guild on a non-pvp realm has a equal gender split, a wide range of ethnicities and even some sexual identity diversity. In the short time I raided on a pvp server everyone was a white male from 16-25 and awful in every concievable way. I think its less gaming and more losing and looking for a reason or some sort of solace that causes it. This is entirely true. And it doesn't just happen with MMOs or big FPSes either. I don't play L4D2 anymore because half the people I used to play it with became insufferable versus shitheels. They ranked regular players in tiers and would balance the teams based on how good some people were or how lovely others were. It kind of dragged the game down when you spent 5 or 10 minutes of the game swapping sides because "It's not fair we're gonna get steamrolled" as if points in the game actually mattered. I never cared if I lost or won, it was just about enjoying the game. Whatever happened to just playing games because they're fun?
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haveblue posted:It's gotten so bad that there are several games, including one of the biggest AAA games this year (Destiny), which have given up on automatic voice communication and switched to requiring mutual consent to be able to hear each other. It's getting blowback but I completely agree with this- the negatives of pervasive voice greatly outweigh the positives by now. On the opposite end, Hearthstone has zero player communication, voice or otherwise, except for a set series of six emotes. And people *still* manage to be shitheads about it!
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BigRed0427 posted:HOLY poo poo! I just found out what Happy Merchant is. I thought this poo poo didn't happen outside of FYAD I've seen a few GBS posters with Happy Merchant av's.
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Technical Analysis posted:Whatever happened to just playing games because they're fun? This is why I stopped playing online multiplayer back when Warcraft III was hot. Too many shitheads insisting the game had to be played one specific way, and with an impressive number of homophobic ways to point out you weren't following that way.
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silvergoose posted:On the opposite end, Hearthstone has zero player communication, voice or otherwise, except for a set series of six emotes. And people *still* manage to be shitheads about it! These sorts of things are why I mainly play games that are single player only, even if games like Team Fortress 2 or Diablo 3 are most fun played with other people. As an aside, if someone wants to make an IRC channel or steam group for casual gaming without getting pissed at people for not being "good enough", let me know.
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silvergoose posted:On the opposite end, Hearthstone has zero player communication, voice or otherwise, except for a set series of six emotes. And people *still* manage to be shitheads about it! It doesn't help that 3 of the emotes are "friend of the family", "human being", and "jew".
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Phone posted:It doesn't help that 3 of the emotes are "friend of the family", "human being", and "jew". I guess you could interpret "Thanks", "Well Played", and "Sorry" as those, yeah.
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haveblue posted:Can we get an explanation for those of us who are now afraid to go looking for it? A Google image search returns mostly pictures featuring a Der Stürmer-styled (or possibly lifted from?) caricature of a greedy Jew.
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Oct 6, 2014 21:48
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haveblue posted:Can we get an explanation for those of us who are now afraid to go looking for it?
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Honestly, Hearthstone's system is pretty solid since you can squelch the other player. It's definitely a huge improvement.
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Amergin posted:So apparently I can go away for 7 pages of this thread and come back to CTRL+F my name in a majority of those pages. Y'all need to drink less. We don't believe all of it is Hitler. Just five ninths. 
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haveblue posted:Can we get an explanation for those of us who are now afraid to go looking for it? As far as I can tell it's literally the A. Wyatt Man "Jewish" caricature but done up with "le" for the reddit/ragecomic crowd
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Phone posted:It doesn't help that 3 of the emotes are "friend of the family", "human being", and "jew". Okay, I'm going to need some context with this, since I don't know anything about Hearthstone. How on earth does this list: Thanks Well played Greetings Sorry Oops Threaten become the three things you mentioned above?
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