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Excellent, congrats and good luck.
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high six posted:HUrray. I got an actual IT job. Help desk, yeah, but it is certainly better than delivering pizzas. Gonna start the Monday after next. At least this time I didn't rip the rear end of my pants at the interview. Congrats man! Makes me hopeful and want to try twice as hard to look for a similar position for myself. No reason to be too nervous, obviously they like you enough to bring you on board!
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# ? Oct 5, 2014 02:02 |
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high six posted:HUrray. I got an actual IT job. Help desk, yeah, but it is certainly better than delivering pizzas. Gonna start the Monday after next. At least this time I didn't rip the rear end of my pants at the interview. 2) I've wanted an opportunity to post this before, and now I have it. There are 4 phases to IT team building. a) form b) storm c) conform d) perform just remember your team in now in phase a), and remind them of the fact when there are inevitably some personality issues early on.
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mayodreams posted:I've done two O365 tenancies with ADFS here and it is really not hard to do. Good for you. Hopefully your response makes that guy think twice before harasing potential employees. Its hard enough to go through the interview process without giving out past/current salary details.
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# ? Oct 5, 2014 06:04 |
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Had an interview at an MSP last week that went awesome, the recruiter said they had nothing but great things to say about me, and I really liked that not only did the interview go WAY longer than we planned, but they took time to explain some answers I bombed. I've been a NE most of my career, the job title is NE but the job sounds like it's going to be massive breadth and depth, especially on the Windows / VMWare side. This one was with a couple of their lead engineers, I have a follow-up Monday with 10 of their 15 senior / leads. Is there any hope to cramming before then? I've already read over the stuff I missed (some VMWare stuff that I've never seen like max LVM / block size) because it is a genuinely interesting job and field. Regardless, I really hope I get this one, both of the guys interviewing me were sharp as hell and even caught me off on some Cisco stuff despite both being professed systems guys. Especially since the fallbacks are a NOC position and a network installer for a wide upgrade process.
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mayodreams posted:She/he responds back that I need to provide the the compensation answers, so I gave a range that I am looking for, and declined to give my current pay. I'm a Linux guy with a LOT of experience so YMMV on this one: During my current job search (W2 contract and full time) I have always declined and nobody has given me any poo poo. Here's how I do it and if they persist move to the next one: 1) I don't disclose that, sorry. 2) Technologies, responsibilities, perks, commute, bonuses, culture, and other things vary from job to job. This is a new job and everything will be different. 3) What I got paid in the past has no bearing on what is a fair wage at my next position. 4) To be candid I don't give that out because it's only used as a bargaining chip against me. This ain't my first time at the rodeo. Also, if you're doing W2 contract, never forget that most companies spam out positions to tons of different contract houses so if one is being an rear end in a top hat just find another one.
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Pudgygiant posted:Had an interview at an MSP last week that went awesome, the recruiter said they had nothing but great things to say about me, and I really liked that not only did the interview go WAY longer than we planned, but they took time to explain some answers I bombed. I've been a NE most of my career, the job title is NE but the job sounds like it's going to be massive breadth and depth, especially on the Windows / VMWare side. This one was with a couple of their lead engineers, I have a follow-up Monday with 10 of their 15 senior / leads. Is there any hope to cramming before then? I've already read over the stuff I missed (some VMWare stuff that I've never seen like max LVM / block size) because it is a genuinely interesting job and field. If they took the time to discuss things you missed on the first interview, definitely bone up on those things. I know when I am interviewing a potential hire to our team (we do group interviews at my workplace, usually the lead and a couple of the regular employees sit in), the person who did the phone screen will mention topics the interviewee was weak on over the phone. I like to take that opportunity to see if the person we're looking at is smart enough to have learned anything, and to have taken the chance to do so. I know when I got interviewed here for my Networking job they went out of their way to point out I was weak on DNS (I knew basically how it worked, but nothing about actually administrating it), so I bought the latest copy of DNS and BIND and boned up a bit. Even if I hadn't gotten the job (I did), at least I learned something new.
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hackedaccount posted:I'm a Linux guy with a LOT of experience so YMMV on this one: During my current job search (W2 contract and full time) I have always declined and nobody has given me any poo poo. Here's how I do it and if they persist move to the next one: That is really solid strategy. As I was discussing this with friends this weekend, I realized that you can just lie about what you make now. They can't verify that if they call your current/past employers anyway. Although, there was a major brick and mortar retailer I interviewed with last year that asked for my W2's from the last year to prove what I made in the past. You can imagine how well that went. How is that type of practice not illegal? You can't ask questions about being married, number of kids, religion, but GIVE ME ALL OF YOUR COMPENSATION HISTORY WITH FEDERAL DOCUMENTATION seems ridiculous.
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What? You can totally ask questions about bring married and number of kids.
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psydude posted:What? You can totally ask questions about bring married and number of kids. Nope. http://www.careerbuilder.com/article/cb-3380-interview-tips-11-common-interview-questions-that-are-actually-illegal/ careerbuilder posted:1. Have you ever been arrested?
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psydude posted:What? You can totally ask questions about bring married and number of kids. That would be illegal to ask in Canada. They also cannot ask you things like: -your age -how long have you been in the country/where are you from (they can only legally ask "are you allowed to work in Canada") -is that your maiden name, etc -anything health related There's a huge list!
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A good interviewer will get you to volunteer that info
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go3 posted:A good interviewer will get you to volunteer that info "Tell me about what you do outside of work" gets em every time. I have conversations with people all the time where we discuss kids/marriage status etc. My interviews are pretty informal discussions though. And maybe I'm a little different even though I can potentially be a direct employer, but if someone refuses to discuss salary with me in a face to face meeting, I probably won't work with them because it's a sign they are going to be difficult to work with. I actually get paid more if I get you more, so not only is it in my best interests but it's a key part of having that honest conversation about where you are now and what's going to make a job change make sense for you and your situation. I acknowledge though, that I probably wouldn't recommend giving up salary or other personal details without building a level of trust first.
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go3 posted:A good interviewer will get you to volunteer that info Uh, what? It's illegal to discriminate or base employment offers on any of those things, so sneakily getting an interviewee to admit that information could actually get the company in legal trouble or a human rights complaint. A good interviewer would never do that, and actually has to take care to NOT do that. Maybe America is different I guess.
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Dark Helmut posted:"Tell me about what you do outside of work" gets em every time. While I am sure you make more when the employee gets more it still doesn't change the fact that your first priority is to get the employee into a range where the employer is going to easily accept. Your goals are just not totally in line with the employee.
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hackedaccount posted:During my current job search (W2 contract and full time) I have always declined and nobody has given me any poo poo. Here's how I do it and if they persist move to the next one: One of my previous gigs asked for 3 paystubs from my last 3 jobs - 9 total. I asked, I was told that it was for "employee verification". I was inexperienced and caved (still got the salary I wanted) but that said - not that I would ever do this - what's stopping me from just manipulating my paystub? I'm pretty confident that your previous employer won't give out salary info, it's not like they would ever know. So, why even bother? In other news, HP is splitting and I can't even believe this is eliminating 50,000+ employees. Gucci Loafers fucked around with this message at 18:00 on Oct 6, 2014 |
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Tab8715 posted:One of my previous gigs asked for 3 paystubs from my last 3 jobs - 9 total. I asked, I was told that it was for "employee verification". I was inexperienced and caved (still got the salary I wanted) but that said - not that I would ever do this - what's stopping me from just manipulating my paystub? I'm pretty confident that your previous employer won't give out salary info, it's not like they would ever know. Just blank out anything but your name and the employer's name before you send it.
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Tab8715 posted:In other news, HP is splitting and I can't even believe this is eliminating 50,000+ employees. Gotta make them stockholders happy. CLAM DOWN posted:Uh, what? It's illegal to discriminate or base employment offers on any of those things, so sneakily getting an interviewee to admit that information could actually get the company in legal trouble or a human rights complaint. A good interviewer would never do that, and actually has to take care to NOT do that. Maybe America is different I guess.
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Sickening posted:While I am sure you make more when the employee gets more it still doesn't change the fact that your first priority is to get the employee into a range where the employer is going to easily accept. Your goals are just not totally in line with the employee. Freakonomics covered this with Realtors, which may be a good comparison. Realtors typically sell their homes for 3% more than they sell others. Yes, they get more if they sell yours for more, but it takes time and it probably just isn't worth the hassle for them.
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# ? Oct 6, 2014 18:07 |
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News says 5000 jobs cut, not 50000, there's a typo somewhere! Do you not believe me or something?
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CLAM DOWN posted:News says 5000 jobs cut, not 50000, there's a typo somewhere! http://online.wsj.com/articles/hewlett-packard-to-split-into-two-companies-1412592132 quote:Separately, H-P also boosted Monday the number of expected layoffs it has planned by 5,000 to 55,000, after identifying “incremental opportunities for reductions.” H-P had previously projected its job cuts to be between 45,000 and 50,000, and it already has shed 36,000 employees under the restructuring program as of the end of the most recent quarter.
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Interesting. I knew that making decisions based upon marital status/kids was illegal, but I didn't know it was illegal to ask about.CLAM DOWN posted:Uh, what? It's illegal to discriminate or base employment offers on any of those things, so sneakily getting an interviewee to admit that information could actually get the company in legal trouble or a human rights complaint. A good interviewer would never do that, and actually has to take care to NOT do that. Maybe America is different I guess. I like this dream world you constantly bring up where you somehow think everyone follows the rules and doesn't make decisions based upon their own prejudices and moral code. It's obviously illegal to discriminate based upon X, but good luck ever proving it, especially when you volunteered the information. psydude fucked around with this message at 19:18 on Oct 6, 2014 |
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Especially, if your employer is headquartered is in a work-at-will state.
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psydude posted:I like this dream world you constantly bring up where you somehow think everyone follows the rules and doesn't make decisions based upon their own prejudices and moral code. It's not a dream world, it's actually how things are here, I'm sorry you don't agree with it though. I "keep bringing it up" with a mention once a month or so when a discussion like this happens because this thread is very America-centric, and believe it or not, things are different elsewhere in the world and not everyone here is an American.
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CLAM DOWN posted:It's not a dream world, it's actually how things are here, I'm sorry you don't agree with it though. I "keep bringing it up" with a mention once a month or so when a discussion like this happens because this thread is very America-centric, and believe it or not, things are different elsewhere in the world and not everyone here is an American. LOL if you think companies in other countries are somehow more saintly than American companies. e: The bottom line is that organizations will pretty much always take advantage of you or anyone else to the maximum extent they can without being overt. Some countries may do a better job of forcing transparency to this end, but rest assured that it still happens. psydude fucked around with this message at 19:32 on Oct 6, 2014 |
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psydude posted:LOL if you think companies in other countries are somehow more saintly than American companies. I never said that, I'm not sure where you got that from. Are you familiar with labour and job-related human rights laws in other countries? That's what I'm referring to.
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# ? Oct 6, 2014 19:28 |
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CLAM DOWN posted:I never said that, I'm not sure where you got that from. Are you familiar with labour and job-related human rights laws in other countries? That's what I'm referring to. Note that this thread often gives a misleading idea of labor rights and disputes in the US that is only valid for exempt workers, contract workers, or desperately poor people held out as examples. Europe has stronger protections (in general), but the US is not the shithole it's presented as
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Sickening posted:While I am sure you make more when the employee gets more it still doesn't change the fact that your first priority is to get the employee into a range where the employer is going to easily accept. Your goals are just not totally in line with the employee. Like a mechanic diagnosing your car, I am in a position where people trust me to represent them and do what's best for them, and not gouge them just because I find a way. So when I interview people, I typically am interviewing them proactively and not just for one specific position, so the salary has to be discussed objectively. I ask for two numbers that I use to help qualify jobs for you: 1. What is the range you are targeting, i.e. how much do you feel you should be making in this market? 2. If I have a position that is ideal in every other way, what is the salary/hourly number I don't call you below? Again, if we are having a transparent discussion about what is a good fit for you, salary is just another factor like commute time, healthcare, company size, etc. It's just a much more grey area than the others. Just throwing out there that getting all bent about discussing salary doesn't always help you and can hurt you, unless you have a skill set that is really(really, really) in demand. Dark Helmut fucked around with this message at 19:39 on Oct 6, 2014 |
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psydude posted:Interesting. I knew that making decisions based upon marital status/kids was illegal, but I didn't know it was illegal to ask about.
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The law has you covered guy don't worry about it!
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CLAM DOWN posted:I never said that, I'm not sure where you got that from. Are you familiar with labour and job-related human rights laws in other countries? That's what I'm referring to. Things aren't as bad as they sound in the US, but yes, Europe generally does better at protecting their workers as well as having transparency for these sorts of things. I'm probably not the only one with the mindset that you're dealing with a company, it has no soul/feelings/remorse and certainly doesn't give a gently caress about what's best for you or doing the "right thing".
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# ? Oct 6, 2014 19:43 |
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I don't think, at least I am not, that we disagree with progressive labor laws we're just stating that in US its much more favored towards the employer and its important to be aware. Personally, I would love to see more Scandinavian democratic-socialist government that has high taxes, strict regulations on corporations and a enormous social safety but unfortunately that's not the world we live in.
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Yikes, my boss asked me to make a website for ordering dunkin donuts because we go so often with such a high volume of people. 2 hours configuring the html5 app + php pages to make mysql calls. Weird.
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Sepist posted:Yikes, my boss asked me to make a website for ordering dunkin donuts because we go so often with such a high volume of people. 2 hours configuring the html5 app + php pages to make mysql calls. Weird. Wow, do you write code for a living or did some rear end in a top hat say "Hey, pen and paper is hard, and Sepist knows computers, so..."?
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No I'm a network engineer but everyone knows I know how to code because I have made a few mobile games and another work relevant app for them. No one put a gun to my head to make it, we're just in a project lull and we always joke that this should be a thing so I whipped it together
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Sepist posted:No I'm a network engineer but everyone knows I know how to code because I have made a few mobile games and another work relevant app for them. No one put a gun to my head to make it, we're just in a project lull and we always joke that this should be a thing so I whipped it together You realize you're going to have to support this Mission Critical Application until the day you quit now, right? In five years, after you've moved on, and Dunkin Donuts changes their website, someone's going to come into the 2019 version of this thread and bitch about you. And how nobody told them they could get coffee e: should have done it in Access.
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Wizard of the Deep posted:You realize you're going to have to support this Mission Critical Application until the day you quit now, right? In five years, after you've moved on, and Dunkin Donuts changes their website, someone's going to come into the 2019 version of this thread and bitch about you. The correct answer to make future people hate you the most.
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As a general infrastructure guy getting a lot deeper into networking lately, all this doomsaying about SDN is starting to worry me a bit. I'm a bit late to the show learning the more advanced routing and switching concepts and applying them to my company (who is in the stone age in the networking side of things) I actually have started enjoying the networking stuff so much that I was thinking of dropping the vmware and storage and start specializing. Is this a bad move? I'm in an area with mostly SMB so I wouldn't want to get too silo'd. I've been in the field for over 10 years so have a pretty wide base of knowledge: network, security, linux, vmware, storage. Is it dumb to dive deep into networking with SDN potentially changing things? Or is it better to focus on networking and virtualization together to be more versatile for the changing environment?
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# ? Oct 7, 2014 00:26 |
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software defined networking still requires networking knowledge.
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adorai posted:software defined networking still requires networking knowledge. Yes of course, but if you can automate even a modest number of network engineers out of jobs by introducing efficiencies then there will be fewer jobs to go around.
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