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Majorian posted:From the previous sentence in the same post: Then what about state governments? "Harrisburg" and "Albany" do stuff to their populations all the time. Probably doesn't hold up as well in places like Mass and WA where the capital is also the largest city though.
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Cliff Racer posted:Then what about state governments? "Harrisburg" and "Albany" do stuff to their populations all the time. Probably doesn't hold up as well in places like Mass and WA where the capital is also the largest city though. This is a dumb tangent. The issue wasn't MP talking about Kiev, or if you prefer Washington, Harrisburg and Albany. If was him talking about Kievans, the equivalent of which would be Washingtonians, Harrisburgers, and Albanians. Like, take this headline (ignore the article itself): quote:Elections in Syria: Washington Pressured Several Countries to Prevent Syrian Expats from Voting quote:Elections in Syria: Washingtonians Pressured Several Countries to Prevent Syrian Expats from Voting
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Oct 7, 2014 12:52
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How is the situation now? The fog of war is confusing, are they still at a standoff?
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So someone I know from past life found an interesting old Soviet political cartoon. I am linking it and not embedding it 'cause swastika flags: http://lpix.org/1820908/10155726_10203428347482916_6362255149739182346_n.jpg The text is, at top: "Through Ply...mouth glasses, y.1936" The sign is "To Spain" The glasses say "Not an intervention" ... And the subtitle: "Lord Plymouth: I don't see any German troops. I see only volunteers!".
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Oct 7, 2014 13:04
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That reminds me, how much money did Yanukvych steal from his own country through embezzlement and money laundering?
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Oct 7, 2014 14:51
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Happy birthday to you, Supreme White Overlord of Lucy H.! Ave Ceasar!
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Oct 7, 2014 15:21
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Veni, vidi, vici...what's latin for "and then we beat up some minorities and tortured some people"
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Oct 7, 2014 15:25
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Heil dir im Siegerkranz, Herrscher des Vaterlands! Heil, Kaiser, dir! Fühl in des Thrones Glanz Die hohe Wonne ganz, Liebling des Volks zu sein! Heil Kaiser, dir!
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TeodorMorozov posted:Happy birthday to you, Supreme White Overlord of Lucy H.! Is this a race thing or White as in the broad political categorization in Russian history thing? Doesn't make a great deal of sense either way.
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Besides Putin's birth, some other sad things deeply connected to him happened today: the founding of his favorite past dictatorship, the so-called "German Democratic Republic", and the murder of journalist Anna Politkovskaya, who reported on many abuses of Russia regimes.
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Dolash posted:Is this a race thing or White as in the broad political categorization in Russian history thing? Doesn't make a great deal of sense either way. Maybe it is a counter to Black Overlord Barack Obama.
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Kievpost translated an interesting interview with a Widow of a Russian Officer: http://www.kyivpost.com/content/ukraine/he-wasnt-a-volunteer-says-wife-of-a-russian-officer-who-died-in-donbas-367260.html Translation of: http://www.novayagazeta.ru/society/65502.html
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Oct 7, 2014 17:27
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Ukrainian Parliamentary Elections have quite a debate match up coming up: Right Sector's Dmitro Yarosh vs... Darth Vader. (There are lots of parties so they split debates up into smaller randomly chosen ones of 4 parties; I don't know anything about the other two parties in matchup).
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Dolash posted:Is this a race thing or White as in the broad political categorization in Russian history thing? Doesn't make a great deal of sense either way.
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I hope this is the right thread for it, apologies if not. There's been some hullabaloo in Swedish news today after a Gripen airplane caused a sonic boom over a populated area going towards an area in the Baltic Sea in what was later confirmed by the head of press at the Swedish Armed Forces, Philip Simon, to not have been a training mission. He also added that the aerial activity the plane was investigating was over international waters and that there had been no violation of Swedish airspace here but declined to comment further. I haven't found a translation to English yet, but people have been linking to https://twitter.com/Latvijas_armija/status/519418931535446016 - not sure if that is trustworthy in any way, shape or form though. This follows closely behind an earlier incident on the 17th of September where Russian airplanes did violate Swedish airspace which is probably why this has blown up a bit more than one'd expect - it seems very rare for such things to be written or spoken about in the news, as far as I know. Anyway, correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't what happened today the kind of thing that pretty much goes on all the time? News article in Swedish for those who can read it: http://www.dn.se/nyheter/sverige/skarp-insats-ledde-till-ljudbang-over-oland/
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Inepta Lacerta posted:There's been some hullabaloo in Swedish news today after a Gripen airplane caused a sonic boom over a populated area going towards an area in the Baltic Sea in what was later confirmed by the head of press at the Swedish Armed Forces, Philip Simon, to not have been a training mission. He also added that the aerial activity the plane was investigating was over international waters and that there had been no violation of Swedish airspace here but declined to comment further. Something similar happened in Finland a few weeks ago, September 21st to be precise. Some defense force planes, Hornets, were flying across the eastern part of the country so fast that it caused a sonic boom and people were pretty freaked out by that. Some head from the defense forces said that it was not part of any training exercise but rather an operative "connaissance" flight (I'm not sure what the exact term is). He declined to comment beyond that and said that it was not a "scheduled" exercise and that they needed to move some equipment around. What or why exactly, he couldn't say. This hasn't come up since. It was pretty weird and admittedly got some peoples' imagination going.  Ah, apparently a Russian plane violated Latvian airspace today. Well... Fabulous Knight fucked around with this message at 20:24 on Oct 7, 2014 |
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Inepta Lacerta posted:I haven't found a translation to English yet, but people have been linking to https://twitter.com/Latvijas_armija/status/519418931535446016 - not sure if that is trustworthy in any way, shape or form though.
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kalstrams posted:If anything, it is official profile of Latvian Armed Forces. That was my guess, but since I don't speak Latvian it is hard to tell for sure. (Not helped by me having at best very limited knowledge on the subject of the post.  )
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Inepta Lacerta posted:That was my guess, but since I don't speak Latvian it is hard to tell for sure. (Not helped by me having at best very limited knowledge on the subject of the post. If you mention that as separate event, then it is neither first nor fifth time this year that Russia flies things in neutral Baltic airspace within proximity of that of various coastal countries.
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kalstrams posted:Well, not sure if I get you, but neither of tweets next to one you have linked mention anything about Gripens. Yeah, sorry about that - it was mentioned in the swedish article from today. As for the twitter link I merely wasn't certain if it was actually a Latvian army account or not. But yeah, I thought as much re: flying in neutral airspace, so this is just Swedish media blowing stuff out of proportion.
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The German help convoy has reached Ukraine. The goods will be brought into the east of the country soon, mostly stuff like generators, winter clothes, blankets and heaters. Sadly, we have no tanks and trucks to spare like the Russians, so we'll only help the civilians.
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Libluini posted:The German help convoy has reached Ukraine. The goods will be brought into the east of the country soon, mostly stuff like generators, winter clothes, blankets and heaters. I also suspect that the German convoy is likely to actually go back empty and not loaded up with the spoils of war.
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Libluini posted:The German help convoy has reached Ukraine. The goods will be brought into the east of the country soon, mostly stuff like generators, winter clothes, blankets and heaters. What are the chances that the terrorists will straight up fire upon the help convoys and try to take everything for themselves? And when this invariably happens, how will Germany react? Impotent finger-wagging, or?
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Finlander posted:What are the chances that the terrorists will straight up fire upon the help convoys and try to take everything for themselves? I assume this aid is being delivered to the the eastern part of the country under Ukrainian control and to Ukrainian authorities for distribution. I don't think they're going to be entering Russian occupied territory and delivering goods to the 'rebels'.
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Finlander posted:What are the chances that the terrorists will straight up fire upon the help convoys and try to take everything for themselves? Honestly? Considering the army is the only thing that works in the Bundeswehr, all bets are off. With our flying forces one could reasonably assume nothing, since every machine we'd try to send would be broken anyway, but in this case our braindead monkeys impersonating politicians could very well decide to do something stupid and escalate to far, too fast. Fintilgin posted:I assume this aid is being delivered to the the eastern part of the country under Ukrainian control and to Ukrainian authorities for distribution. I don't think they're going to be entering Russian occupied territory and delivering goods to the 'rebels'. Also this.
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Fintilgin posted:I assume this aid is being delivered to the the eastern part of the country under Ukrainian control and to Ukrainian authorities for distribution. I don't think they're going to be entering Russian occupied territory and delivering goods to the 'rebels'. If that's the case, then it's good that they're not putting themselves at too much risk, but on the other hand, the situation is pretty dire for the people stuck in occupied territory. They're the ones who need the help the most, I think, but there's no way they'll be able to get any while the terrorists are roaming around.
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So apparently that international conference of white supremacists that Dugin was meant to speak at in Hungary got banned (surprisingly) by Viktor "illiberal new state based on national foundations" Orbán. http://www.buzzfeed.com/maxseddon/hungary-tried-to-stop-a-white-nationalist-gathering-but-it-h It still happened in secret, but Dugin was apparently denied a visa and told he would be arrested if he tried to come.
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OddObserver posted:Besides Putin's birth, some other sad things deeply connected to him happened today: the founding of his favorite past dictatorship, the so-called "German Democratic Republic", and the murder of journalist Anna Politkovskaya, who reported on many abuses of Russia regimes. And it's Ollie North's birthday 
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Libluini posted:Honestly? Considering the army is the only thing that works in the Bundeswehr, all bets are off. With our flying forces one could reasonably assume nothing, since every machine we'd try to send would be broken anyway, but in this case our braindead monkeys impersonating politicians could very well decide to do something stupid and escalate to far, too fast. Separatists already shot down an airliner filled with EU citizens and Europe offered an anemic shrug in response. I don't think there's any attack the separatists could perpetrate at this point that would provoke military reaction out of Germany - the attack that killed a Red Cross worker was barely a blip. At this point we can assume that Russia could use its own artillery from within rebel-held territory to blast Germany's convoy of blankets and heaters into bits and Germany wouldn't even escalate to selling Ukrainians weapons.
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Dolash posted:Separatists already shot down an airliner filled with EU citizens and Europe offered an anemic shrug in response. I don't think there's any attack the separatists could perpetrate at this point that would provoke military reaction out of Germany - the attack that killed a Red Cross worker was barely a blip. That's, um, a significant understatement of the international response, and an overstatement of Russia's scope of available activity in the area.
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This 17 year old boy disappeared from Donetsk on July 23. His body was IDd on October 6. https://twitter.com/lennutrajektoor/status/519554792754933760 The central bank in Russia has spent almost 2 billion propping up the ruble. http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-...1997367ae62cc92 Russian military ID found in Novodair.  The OSCE drones to survey the buffer zone are being deployed. Anyone want to take bets on how long they stay in the air? https://twitter.com/OSCE_SMM/status/519570437991198721 Privatbank is now the Novorussia police station.  Current body count in Donetsk today is three. Happy ceasefire, everyone. http://www.unian.ua/society/993584-sogodni-vrantsi-zaginuli-tri-jiteli-donetska-sche-4-poraneno.html
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Dolash posted:Separatists already shot down an airliner filled with EU citizens and Europe offered an anemic shrug in response. I don't think there's any attack the separatists could perpetrate at this point that would provoke military reaction out of Germany - the attack that killed a Red Cross worker was barely a blip. Sadly you underestimate how dumb German politicians can be. German politicians could be replaced by a dartboard with random suggestions on it and apes throwing darts and you would get more reasonable decisions out of them. Remember, our defense minister already promised sending soldiers into Ukraine for a recon mission before she had to backpedal because she didn't tell her fellow politicians about her idea beforehand.
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UN says, according to news app on my phone, that there are 300 something dead since ceasefire, about 4 thousand since April 2014.
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kalstrams posted:UN says, according to news app on my phone, that there are 300 something dead since ceasefire, about 4 thousand since April 2014. And this is mostly just the terrorists firing on cities and civilians?
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Finlander posted:And this is mostly just the terrorists firing on cities and civilians?
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HUGE PUBES A PLUS posted:The central bank in Russia has spent almost 2 billion propping up the ruble. Can anyone give me some perspective on this? Is it a lot to spend on this sort of thing?
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Discendo Vox posted:Can anyone give me some perspective on this? Is it a lot to spend on this sort of thing? Not dramatically so, it isn't nothing but amount expected considering the drop in oil prices. 91.40 (Brent) is the lowest oil prices have been since 2011. Also, natural gas prices are dropping. Russia is being hit by one of the real drawbacks of Dutch disease. Also, China's slowdown maybe accelerating along with continued malaise in Europe and Japan which is doing a number on commodities. Ardennes fucked around with this message at 18:34 on Oct 8, 2014 |
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Oil companies around the world are taking a beating, Preem posting large losses and Statoil cutting down on personnel by about ~1500-1900. Production is gonna drop and maybe prices will stabilize (unless the economy continues to poo poo itself). Bad times for Russia.
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Pimpmust posted:Oil companies around the world are taking a beating, Preem posting large losses and Statoil cutting down on personnel by about ~1500-1900. It will be interesting to see what happens if they do, the drop is entirely unrelated to the current crisis but it is going to put continued pressured on their currency reserves especially if this is a long trend. It is honestly hard to say, Russia has built up quite stash of funds but if China starts a global panic, their revenue is going to drop like a rock. One thing is that Putin has allowed the Ruble to drop with only comparably light intervention. It is also going to put even more pressure on Venezuela.
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Dolash posted:Separatists already shot down an airliner filled with EU citizens and Europe offered an anemic shrug in response. I don't think there's any attack the separatists could perpetrate at this point that would provoke military reaction out of Germany - the attack that killed a Red Cross worker was barely a blip. Russia has Germany by the balls, or worse, Germany is complicit. Either way the EU is going to languish under their rule.
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