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It sure is more entertaining now having individual Russians being able to post military smack talk on the internet, than the Cold War style centralized propaganda.
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Baloogan posted:Russians with incorrect opinions? Why, I never! This guy's a gold mine, and he seems to post under the same name all the time. http://www.the-american-interest.com/articles/2014/08/15/the-dangerous-mr-putin/ Run a search for "Anton" and read how Russia has "never lost a war!"
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Oct 7, 2014 08:06
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    Admit it, everyone here would pay good money to see this happen IRL.
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Oct 7, 2014 08:15
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The greatest irony of the internet is that rather than allowing russians to inform themselves and counter the propaganda pervasive to their country, they choose to use the internet to regurgitate that very propaganda with an unmatched zeal.
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Oct 7, 2014 08:56
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priznat posted:It sure is more entertaining now having individual Russians being able to post military smack talk on the internet, than the Cold War style centralized propaganda. Here's the rub, the Cold War propaganda machine doesn't just seem to have survived, it seems to be thriving. I don't know about the nineties, right after the collapse of the SU, but what I do know is that in later years, Russian media are right back on track, with military-grade bullshit crammed down the boil-festering throats of an increasingly docile populace dulled by vodka and misery. Isn't this a great time to be a military servicemember in a country sharing a land border with Russia?
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Oct 7, 2014 09:01
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 So we got that going for us.
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I sometimes try to wrap my brain around just how lovely life in the Russian countryside is, and fail. Finding a healthy man above the age of fourty - hell, finding any man above the age of fourty - in your average mudhole is a feat. Bonus points if he isn't a priest. The Russian countryside is a shitload of women struggling to keep head above water, and dwindling numbers of alcoholized men who perish like flies. It's pretty amazing.
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While I won't disagree with the above, it's pretty annoying to talk to other people in their 20s who basically assume the Gulf war outcome is what we would've done to the USSR and how they wouldn't have stood a chance. It's not very fun trying to explain to them how much the Russians had to throw at us in a conventional conflict, or how some of their stuff was actually pretty great, like the flanker or the T-64 in its day.
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Oct 7, 2014 10:10
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Mazz posted:While I won't disagree with the above, it's pretty annoying to talk to other people in their 20s who basically assume the Gulf war outcome is what we would've done to the USSR and how they wouldn't have stood a chance. It's not very fun trying to explain to them how much the Russians had to throw at us in a conventional conflict, or how some of their stuff was actually pretty great, like the flanker or the T-64 in its day. Yeah, a war with Russia would hardly be a "walk in the park", but NATO, or hell, even USA alone would still win. I can't imagine what a full blown war would look like, though. US seems to favour small small, rapid and efficient military operations like in the Middle-East or, but Russia seems to favour hybrid warfare like in Eastern Ukraine. priznat posted:That article has a good comment: I mean even considering you have a serious hard-on for that comment is still naive and not based in any reality or fact to the point of absurdity. One PAK-FA can take out 3-5 Raptors? You need to have serious brain damage to even dream of something like that.
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Xerxes17 posted:
Oh god, is it supposed to be the bastard lovechild of a Warthog and a Hind? OhYeah posted:US seems to favour small small, rapid and efficient military operations like in the Middle-East or, but Russia seems to favour hybrid warfare like in Eastern Ukraine. Neither Iraq 2 nor Afghanistan were small, rapid, or efficient. If you're referring to the current conflict against ISIS/Daesh, it's not going to be rapid or efficient either.
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Sjurygg posted:Here's the rub, the Cold War propaganda machine doesn't just seem to have survived, it seems to be thriving. I don't know about the nineties, right after the collapse of the SU, but what I do know is that in later years, Russian media are right back on track, with military-grade bullshit crammed down the boil-festering throats of an increasingly docile populace dulled by vodka and misery. Honestly the pro-soviet propaganda seems stronger if anything. Makes sense, they've got access to our better methods of making internet whackjobs.
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I come across that blind hoo-rah patriotism posting from our side often enough as well. It's ridiculous but seems like both sides are quite guilty of it.
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Breaky posted:I come across that blind hoo-rah patriotism posting from our side often enough as well. It's ridiculous but seems like both sides are quite guilty of it. Western propaganda is just marketed as a History Channel documentary, telling you all about THE MOST POWERFUL WARSHIP IN THE WORLD (USS John C. Stennis), THE MOST POWERFUL BOMBER IN THE WORLD (B-52), THE MOST POWERFUL TANK IN THE WORLD (M1A2) etc.
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Breaky posted:I come across that blind hoo-rah patriotism posting from our side often enough as well. It's ridiculous but seems like both sides are quite guilty of it. Yeah but our foreign policy isn't based on it. Half our elections are though. ArchangeI posted:Western propaganda is just marketed as a History Channel documentary, telling you all about THE MOST POWERFUL WARSHIP IN THE WORLD (USS John C. Stennis), THE MOST POWERFUL BOMBER IN THE WORLD (B-52), THE MOST POWERFUL TANK IN THE WORLD (M1A2) etc. Look at this guy who hasn't watched The History Channel in years.
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Oct 7, 2014 14:12
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Godholio posted:Yeah but our foreign policy isn't based on it. Half our elections are though. Yeah, now it's all "Aliens did 9/11" or some poo poo right? Edit: But I do remember those 'Best plane ever' shows.
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Oct 7, 2014 14:26
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Breaky posted:Yeah, now it's all "Aliens did 9/11" or some poo poo right? God they pandered to the Wehraboo demo so openly. You would have some piece of German WW2 tech up in the top half of the top ten while designs that were superior in basically every way were kicked down a few notches due to some totally bullshit metric like "fearsomeness" or "intimidation factor" or whatever.
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Oct 7, 2014 14:39
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ArchangeI posted:Western propaganda is just marketed as a History Channel documentary, telling you all about THE MOST POWERFUL WARSHIP IN THE WORLD (USS John C. Stennis), THE MOST POWERFUL BOMBER IN THE WORLD (B-52), THE MOST POWERFUL TANK IN THE WORLD (M1A2) etc. Doesn't Russia have a bunch of that type of stuff these days?
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ArchangeI posted:Western propaganda is just marketed as a History Channel documentary, telling you all about THE MOST POWERFUL WARSHIP IN THE WORLD (USS John C. Stennis), THE MOST POWERFUL BOMBER IN THE WORLD (B-52), THE MOST POWERFUL TANK IN THE WORLD (M1A2) etc. THE MOST POWERFUL JUNK PICKERS IN THE WORLD, THE FAKEST REDNECK ENTREPRENEURS IN THE WORLD, THE MOST ANNOYING PAWN SHOP OWNERS IN THE WORLD
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Oct 7, 2014 15:18
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xthetenth posted:Doesn't Russia have a bunch of that type of stuff these days? There's wings if Russia, which is pretty awesome to watch and has great old footage.
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mlmp08 posted:There's wings if Russia, which is pretty awesome to watch and has great old footage. And it's funnily non-jingoistic. We've talked about it before and a few other sister show like "Made in the USSR". They've got a very dry and understated format. "This is Weapon system X." "It was designed by Y at Z." "It was good, but had problems 1 and 2." "1 was fixed by A, and 2 later on with B." "X is now very good."  As opposed to ALienHitler9/11NavySEALS channel.
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In the History Channel hierarchy of best planes etc the nazi stuff trumped all Fw190 vs F-16? Nazi super weapon wins again! 
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Xerxes17 posted:And it's funnily non-jingoistic. We've talked about it before and a few other sister show like "Made in the USSR". They've got a very dry and understated format. Yeah that's what I liked about the original "Wings" format shows that started on Discovery channel I think and went elsewhere. They were very dry and clear cut but just droned on over all kinds of insane footage, tons of which I had never seen before. Every now and then they'd toss in a few pretty good interviews with pilots / engineers too. Honestly not an exciting format but for people who are going to sit and watch a 30 minute show about an airplane it was perfect
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This is one of my more favorite things ever. I wish I was wealthy enough to just pay that guy whatever he wants to narrate my daily life
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Xerxes17 posted:
I have Z$1 quadrillion and 50 billion Yugoslavian dinars available for funding, but only if the Hindbolt is armed with a GAU-8. tia
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priznat posted:In the History Channel hierarchy of best planes etc the nazi stuff trumped all It didn't used to be that way, the Wings Marathon (or maybe it was the Wings CD collection) proclaimed the P-51 the most important plane of WW2 (it's been like 20 years so I can't remember the exact wording, it might have been "best fighter" or something else).
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Cat Mattress posted:Neither Iraq 2 nor Afghanistan were small, rapid, or efficient. What I mean is this: US can destroy the military forces of another country very quickly, they have superiority in every segment of modern warfare, from satellite reconnaissance down to the types of rifles infantry use. Unfortunately that is not all that waging (a successful) war consists of.
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Oct 7, 2014 17:04
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Our SSM force leaves a hell of a lot to be desired, at least.
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bewbies posted:This is one of my more favorite things ever. Yes! That's the voice I was remembering.
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mlmp08 posted:Our SSM force leaves a hell of a lot to be desired, at least. Does ATACMS just suck or something?
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A lot of it is just the factor of the threats each side faced during the cold war. Our large and superior carrier fleets lead to much higher focus on long range cruise missile development by China/Soviets. And we really haven't caught up that much since then.
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Oct 7, 2014 17:48
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That Russian commenter guy is hilarious, but if you see any aviation video on Youtube you will see equally stupid poo poo about American jets - actually, probably everyone's. I recall some Gripen and Rafale vids which got some stupid poo poo comments too. Nationalistic e-peen via aircraft is exceptionally common.
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Oct 7, 2014 17:49
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Mortabis posted:Does ATACMS just suck or something? It is fine for what it is, which is a pretty accurate short range missile that lacks terminal guidance and has no advanced penetration aids. It is employed like long range rocket artillery which isn't terribly useful given its cost. Plus, the warheads all have to be replaced and the motors are about to expire so a major investment is required to keep the current stockpile useable. The US could (and probably should) develop a quality ballistic missile but the INF treaty and the MCTR seriously restricts what could be done.
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mlmp08 posted:Our SSM force leaves a hell of a lot to be desired, at least. The land-based side, that is
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Snowdens Secret posted:The land-based side, that is Nah, sea based side is weak, too.
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Breaky posted:Yeah that's what I liked about the original "Wings" format shows that started on Discovery channel I think and went elsewhere. They were very dry and clear cut but just droned on over all kinds of insane footage, tons of which I had never seen before. Man, I was like 12 when Wings was on, that was right in my wheelhouse. e- also stressing that the dry narration over footage of bear ejection seats or human rocket sleds was the loving cats rear end
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Xerxes17 posted:
-- Mikhail Sparksov
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bewbies posted:This is one of my more favorite things ever. Haha that's a MIDI version of "Hymn to Red October" playing at 0:58. How very 90s.
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Oct 7, 2014 23:54
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Baloogan posted:Russians with incorrect opinions? Why, I never! Yeah, usually around these parts it's the Swiss.
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666 posted:The greatest irony of the internet is that rather than allowing russians to inform themselves and counter the propaganda pervasive to their country, they choose to use the internet to regurgitate that very propaganda with an unmatched zeal. Are you able to make the snow square?
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666 posted:The greatest irony of the internet is that rather than allowing russians to inform themselves and counter the propaganda pervasive to their country, they choose to use the internet to regurgitate that very propaganda with an unmatched zeal. Most people use the internet to confirm what they already believe rather than branching out and expanding their horizons. BTW, if you want to see an interesting example, look at what happened to the F4F Wildcat and how it developed post-being a modern fighter as a sort of utility plane for the CVEs, mostly for ground attack purposes.
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