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EAB
Jan 18, 2011
Where's the Nexus 9, it doesn't exist, does it :gonk:

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fondue
Jul 14, 2002

EAB posted:

Where's the Nexus 9, it doesn't exist, does it :gonk:

It just passed the FCC.

fondue fucked around with this message at 02:32 on Oct 6, 2014

nonathlon
Jul 9, 2004
And yet, somehow, now it's my fault ...
My Asus TF300 is rapidly approaching the point of electronic senility (slow, random pauses, power button is flaky and randomly powers device on and off). This on top of the whole detachable keyboard not quite working as well as it should have. And the fact that I can't get any charging cable to work on it other than the provided power-pack.

So I'm in the market for a new tablet: mostly for reading, playing a few boardgames. Long battery life is a plus. As is charging off a standard cable. Kinda prefer a un-modified build of Android.

- Should I wait for the next round of Google tablets?
- Here in the UK, the Tesco HUDL has surprisingly good reviews. Any experience?

Guillermus
Dec 28, 2009



I own a TF201 wich is dying slowly and got a Nexus 7 2013 right before summer so I'd recommend you to wait for the new Nexus 9 or whatever they release. If you really really want android AOSP or similar and don't get a nexus tablet, get a Samsung one and slap a custom rom over it, I know its not the optimal setup but Samsung Tab S tablets are really nice and the screen is gorgeous. You can always just run nova launcher and try to remove as much bloatware as you can if you don't want to root/unlock it.

Argyle
Jun 7, 2001

outlier posted:

- Should I wait for the next round of Google tablets?

They're expected by the end of the month, so I would say yes.

Die Sexmonster!
Nov 30, 2005

outlier posted:

My Asus TF300 is rapidly approaching the point of electronic senility (slow, random pauses, power button is flaky and randomly powers device on and off). This on top of the whole detachable keyboard not quite working as well as it should have. And the fact that I can't get any charging cable to work on it other than the provided power-pack.

So I'm in the market for a new tablet: mostly for reading, playing a few boardgames. Long battery life is a plus. As is charging off a standard cable. Kinda prefer a un-modified build of Android.

- Should I wait for the next round of Google tablets?
- Here in the UK, the Tesco HUDL has surprisingly good reviews. Any experience?

You didn't mention Windows, but did you look at the Asus T100? Charges over microUSB and resembles your last device.

nonathlon
Jul 9, 2004
And yet, somehow, now it's my fault ...
Windows isn't on the cards (I use Mac on desktops and Android on mobile devices - not throwing a third OS into the mix), but I hadn't realised the T100 was microUSB. The specialised charger has been a tremendous pain for my TF300, having to lug around the spec adaptor because nothing else will work. Even bought a few third party cables off Amazon - none of them charged the tablet, some of them didn't even do data and one just got very, very hot.

I'll hang for the next model Nexus then. I'd be pretty happy with something that was just stock Android.

Die Sexmonster!
Nov 30, 2005

outlier posted:

Windows isn't on the cards (I use Mac on desktops and Android on mobile devices - not throwing a third OS into the mix), but I hadn't realised the T100 was microUSB. The specialised charger has been a tremendous pain for my TF300, having to lug around the spec adaptor because nothing else will work. Even bought a few third party cables off Amazon - none of them charged the tablet, some of them didn't even do data and one just got very, very hot.

I'll hang for the next model Nexus then. I'd be pretty happy with something that was just stock Android.

The Shield Tablet is actually quite good without the gaming usage: http://youtu.be/PNp2IjVv3HI

Vagrancy
Oct 15, 2005
Master of procrastination


https://twitter.com/upleaks/status/519035355882725376

quote:

T1 will NOT have a metal body, it's matte plastic like Nexus 5 by LG.

https://twitter.com/upleaks/status/519032362206638080

Serjeant Buzfuz
Dec 5, 2009

Pyroxene Stigma posted:

The Shield Tablet is actually quite good without the gaming usage: http://youtu.be/PNp2IjVv3HI

I've got the Wi-Fi model, had it for about 2 weeks now. I'm really happy with it over all, I can't say I've used its powerful gaming capabilities much but its a pretty nice tablet anyways.

Downside is how much more expensive it is, but you get really nice specs for that extra money. Also, the controller+custom mapping software it comes with is rather slick overall. You can build (or download) custom mappings for different games so you can play touch only games using your controller. Also, I can connect 3 xbox 360 controllers via USB and have a 4 player console/emulator for old consoles and cabinets via HDMI.

Three Olives
Apr 10, 2005

Don't forget Hitler's contributions to medicine.
Looks like a 4:3 tablet, can someone confirm the ratio? When comparing the iPad Mini and the Galaxy Tab S the 16:9/4:3 did sway my decision some, it just makes a lot more sense in a smaller form factor device.

Tunga
May 7, 2004

Grimey Drawer

Three Olives posted:

Looks like a 4:3 tablet, can someone confirm the ratio? When comparing the iPad Mini and the Galaxy Tab S the 16:9/4:3 did sway my decision some, it just makes a lot more sense in a smaller form factor device.
I can't really make my mind up about this. The Nexus 7 is a much nicer ratio than the iPad Mini for everything I would ever want to use it for. While the Nexus 10 was (and still is) great for watching videos and such, it feels pretty odd for browsing. But I don't really like the iPad size either, it's huge and clumsy. Maybe the answer is simply that I don't like big tablets.

sweart gliwere
Jul 5, 2005

better to die an evil wizard,
than to live as a grand one.
Pillbug

outlier posted:

I'll hang for the next model Nexus then. I'd be pretty happy with something that was just stock Android.

There's also an interesting 8.4" Dell coming around the same time, with Intel hardware (both CPU and camera suite). Crazy thin metal body, front-firing speakers, and initial impressions were very positive. 2560x1600 display, OLED, pretty much what I've wished was available since 2012.

Argyle
Jun 7, 2001

Tunga posted:

I can't really make my mind up about this. The Nexus 7 is a much nicer ratio than the iPad Mini for everything I would ever want to use it for. While the Nexus 10 was (and still is) great for watching videos and such, it feels pretty odd for browsing. But I don't really like the iPad size either, it's huge and clumsy. Maybe the answer is simply that I don't like big tablets.

I love the iPad Mini form factor. An Android device with the exact size/shape of the Mini would be an instant buy for me. I prefer 4:3 since most of my tablet usage is web browsing, and my N10 feels odd for that, like you said. 16:9 is too narrow for vertical browsing, and horizontal means a lot of scrolling.

Super-NintendoUser
Jan 16, 2004

COWABUNGERDER COMPADRES
Soiled Meat

Argyle posted:

I love the iPad Mini form factor. An Android device with the exact size/shape of the Mini would be an instant buy for me. I prefer 4:3 since most of my tablet usage is web browsing, and my N10 feels odd for that, like you said. 16:9 is too narrow for vertical browsing, and horizontal means a lot of scrolling.

I've used a N7 since the OG came out for videos, games, and reading books (epubs), and I've always liked it. Now, though, I have to read a huge PDF that has text that doesn't reflow like a epub. The N7 is TERRIBLE. I have to zoom and move around a ton. It's almost unusable. I'm 30, have absolutely perfect vision (thanks to Lasik), and I can barely read it, especially while bouncing around on a bus or train.

Thermopyle
Jul 1, 2003

...the stupid are cocksure while the intelligent are full of doubt. —Bertrand Russell

sweart gliwere posted:

There's also an interesting 8.4" Dell coming around the same time, with Intel hardware (both CPU and camera suite). Crazy thin metal body, front-firing speakers, and initial impressions were very positive. 2560x1600 display, OLED, pretty much what I've wished was available since 2012.

Yes, this tablet looks really impressive. I just know Dell will gently caress up the software, though.

sweart gliwere
Jul 5, 2005

better to die an evil wizard,
than to live as a grand one.
Pillbug

Thermopyle posted:

Yes, this tablet looks really impressive. I just know Dell will gently caress up the software, though.

I'm curious about that, never having used Dell anything since ~2006. I know they made phones and tablets for a bit, but never heard much about their quality. I know they're making them now, and I'd assume part of the "We're trying not to drown!" dynamic will involve being less terrible than whatever drove them near-broke.

Were they awful in the past? Not like I'd buy a second tablet for kicks, but if my N10 died then the Venue 8 7000 would be the best on-paper replacement. Or whatever else has a good warranty and identical screen with a solid frame, though that Realsense camera suite is a serious plus for geeking around.

Thermopyle
Jul 1, 2003

...the stupid are cocksure while the intelligent are full of doubt. —Bertrand Russell

sweart gliwere posted:

I'm curious about that, never having used Dell anything since ~2006. I know they made phones and tablets for a bit, but never heard much about their quality. I know they're making them now, and I'd assume part of the "We're trying not to drown!" dynamic will involve being less terrible than whatever drove them near-broke.

Were they awful in the past? Not like I'd buy a second tablet for kicks, but if my N10 died then the Venue 8 7000 would be the best on-paper replacement. Or whatever else has a good warranty and identical screen with a solid frame, though that Realsense camera suite is a serious plus for geeking around.

Well, I'm just thinking like this: Companies who have been in the Android device business for a long time have a hard enough time keeping their devices up-to-date and not terrible, Dell doesn't really have a track record. Add that on top of the fact that they've got custom hardware/software in the device for the special camera stuff which means that they've got to do more work to keep their version of Android up-to-date with the latest Android versions doesn't bode well.

Also, it's really hard to make a good UI and Dell isn't really a software company...

I mean, it's certainly possible it will be great, but I certainly wouldn't make it a launch-day purchase.

bull3964
Nov 18, 2000

DO YOU HEAR THAT? THAT'S THE SOUND OF ME PATTING MYSELF ON THE BACK.


What I want to know is (assuming it has wireless charging) will the new form factor work on the Tylt Vue.

fondue
Jul 14, 2002

Can someone link the new dell?

Slo-Tek
Jun 8, 2001

WINDOWS 98 BEAT HIS FRIEND WITH A SHOVEL
I hate that they are abandoning the 7" form factor, a nexus 7 fits in my pants or jacket pocket. An Ipad Mini doesn't. Just give me a new nexus 7 every two years, and you can leave the lovely camera off.

sweart gliwere
Jul 5, 2005

better to die an evil wizard,
than to live as a grand one.
Pillbug

fondue posted:

Can someone link the new dell?

http://www.dell.com/learn/us/en/19/campaigns/laptops-tablets-coming-soon : corporate ad copy
http://www.cnet.com/products/dell-venue-8-7000/ : cnet preview
https://www.google.com/search?q=dell+venue+8+7000 : LMGTFY

Hadlock
Nov 9, 2004

2560 x 1600 8.4" OLED display? Not terrible. I'm looking forward to the day when 13.3" 1920x1200 OLED laptops are a thing. (one can D R E A M :allears:)

Tunga
May 7, 2004

Grimey Drawer

Slo-Tek posted:

I hate that they are abandoning the 7" form factor, a nexus 7 fits in my pants or jacket pocket. An Ipad Mini doesn't. Just give me a new nexus 7 every two years, and you can leave the lovely camera off.
Who said Google won't make another N7?

Doghouse
Oct 22, 2004

I was playing Harvest Moon 64 with this kid who lived on my street and my cows were not doing well and I got so raged up and frustrated that my eyes welled up with tears and my friend was like are you crying dude. Are you crying because of the cows. I didn't understand the feeding mechanic.
Is the asus transformer TF103C any good? Is there anything better at that size and price?

Guillermus
Dec 28, 2009



Doghouse posted:

Is the asus transformer TF103C any good? Is there anything better at that size and price?

I wouldn't get an Asus tablet outside of Nexus devices because their lack of software support and lovely chargers (they do NOT use a standard micro-usb and need their own cable/charger). I still own a TF201 wich I keep just as video player when I'm traveling. I'm sure you can find a 10" samsung, sony or whatever tablet will be a better option in my opinion.

fondue
Jul 14, 2002

http://www.droid-life.com/2014/10/08/htc-exec-says-nexus-9-is-new-commitment-to-tablet-market/

There we go, Nexus 9.

Cojawfee
May 31, 2006
I think the US is dumb for not using Celsius
I thought they weren't making it out of metal? Did they try to make plastic look like brushed aluminum?

fondue
Jul 14, 2002

Cojawfee posted:

I thought they weren't making it out of metal? Did they try to make plastic look like brushed aluminum?

I don't think that picture is supposed to represent the tablet, it's just 'art' for the article. No real physical details are known about it other than speculation about the hardware from what I understand. HTC is supposed to be having a big presentation on their "Eye experience". Maybe the new nexus tablet will have it?

Super-NintendoUser
Jan 16, 2004

COWABUNGERDER COMPADRES
Soiled Meat

Cojawfee posted:

I thought they weren't making it out of metal? Did they try to make plastic look like brushed aluminum?

Qi doesn't work with a metal back, so I hope it's plastic. The 2012 Nexus7 had a great feel, but since Google appears to be trying to establish a consistent Nexus design language, I'd say it'll have the same back as the N7-2013 and N5, which is perfectly fine.

beeman
May 7, 2008

Slo-Tek posted:

I hate that they are abandoning the 7" form factor, a nexus 7 fits in my pants or jacket pocket. An Ipad Mini doesn't. Just give me a new nexus 7 every two years, and you can leave the lovely camera off.

post a pic of the pants with the big pockets please

beerinator
Feb 21, 2003

beeman posted:

post a pic of the pants with the big pockets please

It took us 256 pages of 24/7 Nexus 7 case chat thread before someone requested a picture of another man's butt.

DrBouvenstein
Feb 28, 2007

I think I'm a doctor, but that doesn't make me a doctor. This fancy avatar does.
Is there anyone who can help me with my Nexus 7 (2012, wifi)?

It's stuck in a bootlop.

I see the Google logo, then the four colored circles, then it reboots again to the logo. Forever.

I CAN get into Fastboot by holding down power and volume down, but that's it.

Previously, trying to get to recovery resulted in a bootloop.

I then downloaded the Unified Android Toolkit. Using that, I was able to unlock the bootloader. I then tried to flash a custom recovery. It said it completed, but then when I actually tried to boot into the recovery, it was stuck at the Google logo.

Rebooted back into Fastboot just fine, and then told the UAT to boot into the custom recovery WITHOUT flashing it. That worked, and I was booted into TWRP.

But now I can't do anything else. Any ADB command seems to fail. I downloaded a stock Google factory image, but it can't do anything with it. Trying to flash it directly from UAT fails. Using either ADB OR the UAT to copy over the stock image file fails.

When I try to directly flash it, I get this:


It just hangs at "waiting for adb Mode" forever...which I don't understand because it just said it was detected in adb mode... :iiam:

If I try to push a file to the device, with the intention of just flashing it from the recovery, I get this:

GoodBee
Apr 8, 2004


beeman posted:

post a pic of the pants with the big pockets please

I suspect one could fit a 10 inch tablet in these. Or a full-size laptop.

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Tunga
May 7, 2004

Grimey Drawer
I often wear trousers that are sold for walking/hiking. They have a "map" pocket on the side which can take my N7. I generally don't do that though because, well, it's ridiculous.

Edit: I'm on my phone so can't answer this in any great detail but to fix that N7 you want to use fastboot to restore the original factory image.

DrBouvenstein
Feb 28, 2007

I think I'm a doctor, but that doesn't make me a doctor. This fancy avatar does.

Tunga posted:

Edit: I'm on my phone so can't answer this in any great detail but to fix that N7 you want to use fastboot to restore the original factory image.

Tried that. The UAT downloaded the image fine, then I got this:



I don't know what it means by 'invalid state.'

The tablet is at the Fastboot menu.

Super-NintendoUser
Jan 16, 2004

COWABUNGERDER COMPADRES
Soiled Meat

DrBouvenstein posted:

Is there anyone who can help me with my Nexus 7 (2012, wifi)?

It's stuck in a bootlop.

I see the Google logo, then the four colored circles, then it reboots again to the logo. Forever.

I CAN get into Fastboot by holding down power and volume down, but that's it.

Previously, trying to get to recovery resulted in a bootloop.

I then downloaded the Unified Android Toolkit. Using that, I was able to unlock the bootloader. I then tried to flash a custom recovery. It said it completed, but then when I actually tried to boot into the recovery, it was stuck at the Google logo.

Rebooted back into Fastboot just fine, and then told the UAT to boot into the custom recovery WITHOUT flashing it. That worked, and I was booted into TWRP.

But now I can't do anything else. Any ADB command seems to fail. I downloaded a stock Google factory image, but it can't do anything with it. Trying to flash it directly from UAT fails. Using either ADB OR the UAT to copy over the stock image file fails.

When I try to directly flash it, I get this:


It just hangs at "waiting for adb Mode" forever...which I don't understand because it just said it was detected in adb mode... :iiam:

If I try to push a file to the device, with the intention of just flashing it from the recovery, I get this:


Download the google factory image and flash that first. Make sure its clean and then try the custom ROM.

DrBouvenstein
Feb 28, 2007

I think I'm a doctor, but that doesn't make me a doctor. This fancy avatar does.
I feel I should say that "Stock.tgz" IS the google factory image. I just renamed it "Stock.tgz" because I got tried of typing out the crazy-rear end long filename every time I tried to flash it or adb push it.

The first post was from the factory image I downloaded myself straight from Google, the most recent post if using UAT's built-in "download this from our server and flash it" option.

Edit: Well, nevermind. Still don't know what was wrong with it, but I suspect it was something along the lines of bad or corrupted storage, or it couldn't communicate with it, or something, since anytime I tried to install or push files to it it failed. Gave up.

Took a 2012 Nexus 7 that I have here at work with a busted screen + digitizer, and merged the two into one functional tablet. My company had already decided it wasn't worth it to try and repair it, and I had saved it from a dumpster a few months ago. It was my last-resort plan to merge the two, as I wasn't above possibly buying a replacement screen for it, but oh well. At least I did end up with a functioning tablet after all is said and done.

DrBouvenstein fucked around with this message at 21:30 on Oct 10, 2014

sourdough
Apr 30, 2012
Use adb and fastboot to do the simple steps, rather than relying on a toolkit. I'm not sure why initially when it was bootlooping, you decided to try a bunch of custom recovery stuff instead of just factory resetting in the stock recovery (can it do this?) or flashing the stock image. Maybe I read too quickly and you had already tried those, though :)

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Cojawfee
May 31, 2006
I think the US is dumb for not using Celsius
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