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ullerrm: Dec 31, 2012; Oh, the network slogan is true -- "watch FOX and be damned for all eternity!"

Superstring posted:

On the t3 cruiser discussion, don't PL or some other enemy of ours have a Legion doctrine? How do those stack up?

There's basically two ways to fit a DPS Legion at the moment for fleet-level work:

* Heavy beams
* HAMs and bonused medium neuts

The former isn't inherently bad; CFC uses heavy beam Legions in Baltec fleets for anti-tackle / anti-bomber work. However, when you're talking about using beam Legions as the primary ship of the line (as opposed to escort duties) then it doesn't really compete with rail Tengus. The Railgus can outmaneuver them, out-tank them, and out-damage them.

The latter is rarely used at fleet levels, but it's pretty sick for medium-sized gangs of 20-30. Legions can put out a jaw-dropping amount of neuting power, and will gently caress up your triage carriers in an instant if they're not webbed down and primaried. (A full six-neut Legion has half a Bhaalgorn's neuting power, IIRC, but is much harder to kill due to its higher mobility and smaller sig radius. Three of those, or nine "compromise" Legions that pack two neuts and a rack of HAMs each, will render a triage carrier or blap dread useless pretty much instantly.)

e: Just for the record, here's the all-neut fit.

code:

[Legion, Pure Neuts + Drones]
Damage Control II
Corpum C-Type Energized EM Membrane
Corpum C-Type Energized Thermic Membrane
Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I

Gistum C-Type 10MN Microwarpdrive
Ship Scanner II
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II

Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I
Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I
Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I
Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I
Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I
Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I

Medium Ancillary Current Router I
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I

Legion Defensive - Augmented Plating
Legion Electronics - Energy Parasitic Complex
Legion Engineering - Capacitor Regeneration Matrix
Legion Offensive - Drone Synthesis Projector
Legion Propulsion - Wake Limiter

Hammerhead II x5
Hornet EC-300 x5
Vespa EC-600 x5
Valkyrie II x5
Warrior II x5

It's cap-stable with the MWD off; all six neuts combined will drain 1620 cap every 12 seconds, or a mean of 135 cap/sec. For comparison, a seven-neut Bhaalgorn drains 7350 cap every 24 seconds, or a mean of 306 cap/sec; but, the Bhaal will instantly cap out without a cap transfer from two friendly Guardians or a friendly triage carrier, and it has a sig radius 3x bigger than the Legion. If you need more tank or versatility, you can replace two neuts with A-type medium noses, and replace the CCCs with T2 Trimarks, and then replace the mids with tackle/TDs/etc.

ullerrm fucked around with this message at 20:51 on Oct 7, 2014

# ? Oct 7, 2014 20:34

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# ? Jun 10, 2024 10:41

LemonDrizzle: Mar 28, 2012; neoliberal shithead

ullerrm posted:

This is a long running battle I have with the CCP balance team -- projectile turrets (especially small and medium ones) look balanced when they're compared against hybrids/lasers/missiles in isolation. In practice, they are crap, because all the hulls that use projectiles are crap atm.

Eh, I don't agree. The stabber and vaga are both pretty great hulls for what they are, it's just their poor projection at 20-40 km that hurts them. Imagine a vaga with the ranged damage of a kovorix navy omen...

The sleipnir's also pretty solid for what it is.

# ? Oct 7, 2014 20:46

Fix Lag: Sep 8, 2011; There's a sale at Penny's!

Okay now that I've actually had the chance to read this Sleeper donation devblog, I fuckin' hate the whole thing. Oh, hey, did you have a bunch of Sleeper loot stockpiled? Great, you get your name put in the game. Jesus, what a stupid way to do this. At the very least they could have changed it so Sleepers only started dropping Random Worthless Quest Item X with downtime.

I say this as someone with a lot of Sleeper loot stockpiled.

# ? Oct 7, 2014 20:47

Red Crown: Oct 20, 2008; Pretend my finger's a knife.

Superstring posted:

On the t3 cruiser discussion, don't PL or some other enemy of ours have a Legion doctrine? How do those stack up?

I think it's Kadeshi or Darknesssss. They're okay. A Railgu will always be doing about 20% more damage with the exception of at ranges of over 90KM, where the Legion will do about 20% more damage (but has to eat the -75% tracking of Aurora). Railgus also have nearly 50K extra EHP on a comparably priced fit, although the Legion has a 50% lower sig radius (but is 10% slower). In a matchup, it'd come down to raw numbers - the Legions would have to target Scimitars, but those have high native resists. On the other side, the Tengus would also have to target logistics ships. Oneiroses have very high native resists, but the Guardians may not as much. I'd definitely pick Tengus in the fight, even if I prefer the way the Legions look.

# ? Oct 7, 2014 21:00

mrmcd: Feb 22, 2003; Pictured: The only good cop (a fictional one).

Fix Lag posted:

Is it too late to nominate my gsf character Fix Lag for that contest if Mittani's Regards is already taken?

E: tgr owns the character Fix Sov so we should use that instead

Someone make "Fyre Greyscale"

# ? Oct 7, 2014 21:11

ryanrs: Jul 12, 2011

Or make that char and trawl Jita for donations so you can win the contest (then just keep the donations).

I would do a thing like this if I wasn't so lazy.

# ? Oct 7, 2014 21:34

Moatman: Mar 21, 2014; Because the goof is all mine.

Red Crown posted:

I think it's Kadeshi or Darknesssss. They're okay. A Railgu will always be doing about 20% more damage with the exception of at ranges of over 90KM, where the Legion will do about 20% more damage (but has to eat the -75% tracking of Aurora). Railgus also have nearly 50K extra EHP on a comparably priced fit, although the Legion has a 50% lower sig radius (but is 10% slower). In a matchup, it'd come down to raw numbers - the Legions would have to target Scimitars, but those have high native resists. On the other side, the Tengus would also have to target logistics ships. Oneiroses have very high native resists, but the Guardians may not as much. I'd definitely pick Tengus in the fight, even if I prefer the way the Legions look.

I checked PL's killboard for legion losses. Looks like this is what they run:

quote:

[Legion, pandemic]

Heat Sink II
1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
Armor Kinetic Hardener II
Armor Thermic Hardener II
Damage Control II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II

10MN Afterburner II
Small Capacitor Booster II, Navy Cap Booster 400
Tracking Computer II, Tracking Speed Script
Tracking Computer II, Tracking Speed Script

Heavy Beam Laser II, Gleam M
Heavy Beam Laser II, Gleam M
Heavy Beam Laser II, Gleam M
Heavy Beam Laser II, Gleam M
Heavy Beam Laser II, Gleam M
Heavy Beam Laser II, Gleam M

Medium Trimark Armor Pump II
Medium Trimark Armor Pump II
Medium Trimark Armor Pump II

Legion Defensive - Augmented Plating
Legion Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer
Legion Engineering - Power Core Multiplier
Legion Offensive - Liquid Crystal Magnifiers
Legion Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst
Inherent Implants 'Squire' Power Grid Management EG-602 x1

Compared to tengu
Pros:
Better tracking than a tengu, including aurora vs spike
About 20 more DPS at all ranges
Costs less than a T2 rigged tengu
Smaller sig
Way better lock range than tanky tengus (142 with links & subs V vs 113 with links and subs V)

Cons:
Needs AWU V and a 2% PG implant
10k less EHP than a T1 rigged tengu, 50K EHP less than a t2 rigged tengu (both with boosts)
50m/s slower
Costs more than a t1 rigged tengu
Needs cap boosters

I dunno, looks like it would work fine
e: 40 of them alpha scimis with multifreq (31.6 optimal, 18.8 f/o)

Moatman fucked around with this message at 21:48 on Oct 7, 2014

# ? Oct 7, 2014 21:40

Cannon_Fodder: Jul 17, 2007; "Hey, where did Steve go?"
Design by Kamoc

If I wanted to use a Tengu as my swiss army knife ship for WH exploration, what would you guys suggest that I fit, and what should I have in my cargo? I'm having a tough time prioritizing.

# ? Oct 7, 2014 21:50

Gwyneth Palpate: Jun 7, 2010; Do you want your breadcrumbs highlighted?

~SMcD

Cannon_Fodder posted:

If I wanted to use a Tengu as my swiss army knife ship for WH exploration, what would you guys suggest that I fit, and what should I have in my cargo? I'm having a tough time prioritizing.

You want to have a travel fit with covert ops cloak and interdiction nullifier, and then a fit for whatever you need to do your sites, and a depot to swap them around.

# ? Oct 7, 2014 21:51

Cannon_Fodder: Jul 17, 2007; "Hey, where did Steve go?"
Design by Kamoc

What's a good read to better understand subsystem meta? I am very new to t3 and very bad at this game.

# ? Oct 7, 2014 21:53

rafikki: Mar 8, 2008; I see what you did there. (It's pretty easy, since ducks have a field of vision spanning 340 degrees.)

~SMcD

mrmcd posted:

Someone make "Fyre Greyscale"

I made the character "Greyscale Is Bad" the other day.

# ? Oct 7, 2014 22:05

NyxBiker: Sep 24, 2014

rafikki posted:

I made the character "Greyscale Is Bad" the other day.

I've just seen Greyscale in an interview. Now I know why it's HIM making these awful changes, just look at him, oh gawd.

# ? Oct 7, 2014 22:15

Eye of Widesauron: Mar 29, 2014

What's a good way to gank people mining?

# ? Oct 7, 2014 22:17

Black Baby Goku: Apr 2, 2011; by Nyc_Tattoo

ullerrm posted:

There's basically two ways to fit a DPS Legion at the moment for fleet-level work:

* Heavy beams
* HAMs and bonused medium neuts

The former isn't inherently bad; CFC uses heavy beam Legions in Baltec fleets for anti-tackle / anti-bomber work. However, when you're talking about using beam Legions as the primary ship of the line (as opposed to escort duties) then it doesn't really compete with rail Tengus. The Railgus can outmaneuver them, out-tank them, and out-damage them.

The latter is rarely used at fleet levels, but it's pretty sick for medium-sized gangs of 20-30. Legions can put out a jaw-dropping amount of neuting power, and will gently caress up your triage carriers in an instant if they're not webbed down and primaried. (A full six-neut Legion has half a Bhaalgorn's neuting power, IIRC, but is much harder to kill due to its higher mobility and smaller sig radius. Three of those, or nine "compromise" Legions that pack two neuts and a rack of HAMs each, will render a triage carrier or blap dread useless pretty much instantly.)

e: Just for the record, here's the all-neut fit.
code:
[Legion, Pure Neuts + Drones]
Damage Control II
Corpum C-Type Energized EM Membrane
Corpum C-Type Energized Thermic Membrane
Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I

Gistum C-Type 10MN Microwarpdrive
Ship Scanner II
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II

Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I
Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I
Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I
Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I
Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I
Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I

Medium Ancillary Current Router I
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I

Legion Defensive - Augmented Plating
Legion Electronics - Energy Parasitic Complex
Legion Engineering - Capacitor Regeneration Matrix
Legion Offensive - Drone Synthesis Projector
Legion Propulsion - Wake Limiter

Hammerhead II x5
Hornet EC-300 x5
Vespa EC-600 x5
Valkyrie II x5
Warrior II x5
It's cap-stable with the MWD off; all six neuts combined will drain 1620 cap every 12 seconds, or a mean of 135 cap/sec. For comparison, a seven-neut Bhaalgorn drains 7350 cap every 24 seconds, or a mean of 306 cap/sec; but, the Bhaal will instantly cap out without a cap transfer from two friendly Guardians or a friendly triage carrier, and it has a sig radius 3x bigger than the Legion. If you need more tank or versatility, you can replace two neuts with A-type medium noses, and replace the CCCs with T2 Trimarks, and then replace the mids with tackle/TDs/etc.

Good write up. Been meaning to get more into this game, and this post certainly helped me understand the basics a lot better.

# ? Oct 7, 2014 22:19

Baronash: Feb 29, 2012; So what do you want to be called?

Moatman posted:

Needs AWU V and a 2% PG implant

Requiring AWU V isn't a downside, that's a skill that absolutely everyone should have, especially if you're flying a T3.

# ? Oct 7, 2014 22:20

pugnax: Oct 10, 2012; Specialization is for insects.

Because it's totally Greyscale making these changes all by his lonesome, and not as part of a team working on a wholesale rework of nullsec. :psyduck:

# ? Oct 7, 2014 22:21

Hazdoc: Nov 8, 2012; Muscovy Ducks are a large tropical breed, famous for their lean and extremely flavorful meat.

Hazduck!

~SMcD

WORST FORUMS GUY posted:

Good write up. Been meaning to get more into this game, and this post certainly helped me understand the basics a lot better.

You push the button that makes the other guy stop moving, then you push your guns button until either you or the other guy dies. Sometimes (if you're elite PvP) you can "overheat" your buttons to make them pushed harder.

# ? Oct 7, 2014 22:22

Stick Insect: Oct 24, 2010; My enemies are many.

My equals are none.

mrmcd posted:

Someone make "Fyre Greyscale"

I have no drone loot or spare character slots but I will glady send some isk to help out this effort :getin:

# ? Oct 7, 2014 22:23

Black Baby Goku: Apr 2, 2011; by Nyc_Tattoo

just throwing this out there... would anyone be willing to buy me this game, maybe 2 copies please for my friend (who is a girl, and she is HOT) and also a few months of playtime so we can see what all the fuss is about?

# ? Oct 7, 2014 22:24

orange juche: Mar 14, 2012

Zasze posted:

Anya come back to the loving embrace of SV we need to rebuild our US/TZ crew and im close to being free'd from the shackles of grad school.

I live in Japan so I am literally 12 hours off from USTZ, for at least the next 8 months. Staying up for USTZ ops is basically a nonstarter, as I am at work when US prime hits. I was hanging out with rear end in a top hat Squad for a while, but that didn't last, and then I hung out with Theta, but I got really :geno:

when I realized I was logging in 6 accounts just to update training queues and spending a considerable amount of money on them every month, and I unsubbed the lot of them. 2 of them are still good through February, but the rest have all quietly expired. Maybe I will come back before August, but being in AUTZ is pretty much the worst for almost anything when we aren't at war.

~~Maybe I will move my 2 Archons down to FD- before whatever the range nerf expansion drops, so they're safely tucked into Syndicate.~~

poo poo I can't do that, I guess I will have to buy 2 more Archons and park them in FD-, those Archons are parked in Deklein for home defense and capital swarm pings.

orange juche fucked around with this message at 22:33 on Oct 7, 2014

# ? Oct 7, 2014 22:30

Zasze: Apr 29, 2009

pugnax posted:

Because it's totally Greyscale making these changes all by his lonesome, and not as part of a team working on a wholesale rework of nullsec.

The anger directed solely at greyscale is pretty amazing, Whatever you think on the changes people rallying for him to be fired because he is the most visible proponent of the changes is pretty dumb.

# ? Oct 7, 2014 22:33

Invader Mat: Aug 16, 2012

Widestancer posted:

What's a good way to gank people mining?

Ctrl + left click their name in your overview. Then press F1.

# ? Oct 7, 2014 22:33

orange juche: Mar 14, 2012

Zasze posted:

The anger directed solely at greyscale is pretty amazing, Whatever you think on the changes people rallying for him to be fired because he is the most visible proponent of the changes is pretty dumb.

EVE players have long memories, and Greyscale is not fondly remembered for doing good things.

# ? Oct 7, 2014 22:34

Deadclown: Aug 1, 2014

WORST FORUMS GUY posted:

just throwing this out there... would anyone be willing to buy me this game, maybe 2 copies please for my friend (who is a girl, and she is HOT) and also a few months of playtime so we can see what all the fuss is about?

Maybe read the OP and sign up for a trial instead of begging from random internet people?

# ? Oct 7, 2014 22:56

Schlampa: Dec 28, 2006

WORST FORUMS GUY posted:

just throwing this out there... would anyone be willing to buy me this game, maybe 2 copies please for my friend (who is a girl, and she is HOT) and also a few months of playtime so we can see what all the fuss is about?

Send me plex and I will double it. I'm the only legitimate game time doubler in EVE.

You can start by clicking here and here for the second account and finally here. Cheers.

Also don't forget your Goonfleet.net referral code when applying to Goonwaffe.

Schlampa fucked around with this message at 23:00 on Oct 7, 2014

# ? Oct 7, 2014 22:57

FruitNYogurtParfait: Mar 29, 2006; Sion lied. Deadtear died for our sins. #VengeanceForDeadtear
#PunGateNeverForget
#ModLivesMatter

Guys, please don't troll BBG he was nice and helpful during the BFM archeagegeddon

# ? Oct 7, 2014 23:04

Eye of Widesauron: Mar 29, 2014

deadtear posted:

Guys, please don't troll BBG he was nice and helpful during the BFM archeagegeddon

Yeah, I'm looking forward to gaming with him and experiencing this as a couple.

E: Do we just do a joint Goonwaffe login or what?

Eye of Widesauron fucked around with this message at 23:07 on Oct 7, 2014

# ? Oct 7, 2014 23:05

Narciss: Nov 29, 2004; by Cowcaster

Cannon_Fodder posted:

If I wanted to use a Tengu as my swiss army knife ship for WH exploration, what would you guys suggest that I fit, and what should I have in my cargo? I'm having a tough time prioritizing.

Here's a cheap fit that will solo any C3 combat site (I recommend T2ing 2 of the CCC rigs). It'll struggle on a few of the data/relic sites, those are very hard:

Bring a Mobile Depot with a probe launcher, probes, and a cloak. Maybe a covops cloak + the cloaky subsystem. You also want a MTU to make looting not a pain.

# ? Oct 7, 2014 23:23

vyst: Aug 25, 2009

Oh poo poo time to resurrect my CSM 7 candidate Kuntakinte Turboni**er

# ? Oct 7, 2014 23:25

Black Baby Goku: Apr 2, 2011; by Nyc_Tattoo

thanks for the ninja admission to goonwaffe by sharing your account with me you know who you are

widestancer will also be grateful, since we are both gonna be using the account.

thank you so much!! can't wait to play with you guys

# ? Oct 7, 2014 23:31

Eye of Widesauron: Mar 29, 2014

WORST FORUMS GUY posted:

thanks for the ninja admission to goonwaffe by sharing your account with me you know who you are

widestancer will also be grateful, since we are both gonna be using the account.

thank you so much!! can't wait to play with you guys

# ? Oct 7, 2014 23:32

Toxic Fart Syndrome: Jul 2, 2006; *hits A-THREAD-5*

Only 3.6 Roentgoons per hour ... not great, not terrible.

_{...the meter only goes to 3.6...}; Pork Pro

^^
Rude

vyst posted:

Oh poo poo time to resurrect my CSM 7 candidate Kuntakinte Turboni**er

Your name...is TOBY! :whip:

# ? Oct 7, 2014 23:34

Carth Dookie: Jan 28, 2013

At least Garr Khan is subtle.

# ? Oct 7, 2014 23:34

Libluini: May 18, 2012; I gravitated towards the Greens, eventually even joining the party itself.

The Linke is a party I grudgingly accept exists, but I've learned enough about DDR-history I can't bring myself to trust a party that was once the SED, a party leading the corrupt state apparatus ...; Grimey Drawer

WORST FORUMS GUY posted:

thanks for the ninja admission to goonwaffe by sharing your account with me you know who you are

widestancer will also be grateful, since we are both gonna be using the account.

thank you so much!! can't wait to play with you guys

Looking at your rap sheet, I think Lowtax must love you.

# ? Oct 7, 2014 23:35

Narciss: Nov 29, 2004; by Cowcaster

WORST FORUMS GUY posted:

thanks for the ninja admission to goonwaffe by sharing your account with me you know who you are

widestancer will also be grateful, since we are both gonna be using the account.

thank you so much!! can't wait to play with you guys

You chucklefucks think you can outmaneuver the best Auth team in EVE? Just wait until Digi digs deep down into the most private parts of your internet history. The 21st century is an open book, and the Goonwaffe intelligence machine knows how to read it. :smug:

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# ? Oct 7, 2014 23:35

Black Baby Goku: Apr 2, 2011; by Nyc_Tattoo

in all sinsercity though, thank you, you know who you are. can't wait to try this game with my gf (who is asian, natch)

# ? Oct 7, 2014 23:37

Black Baby Goku: Apr 2, 2011; by Nyc_Tattoo

looks like this guys account has all the expansions enabled? is there a place i can download the client with all the expansions to try his account out?

# ? Oct 7, 2014 23:39