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irlZaphod posted:I'll stick with it because, hey, Agents of SHIELD got really good, and it started way worse than Gotham has. I'm not sure whether it's the focus on Batman's villains that's putting me off, or that the GCPD stuff isn't great, or some combination of both.
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redbackground posted:Agents at least had the delightful Clark Gregg to numb the pain.
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The thing about Shield (at least for the first season) is that it needed to wait for the movies so it could tie in and do something worthwhile while shows like Arrow are free to do whatever they want. I prefer the latter as it means less wheel-spinning.
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Lurdiak posted:There's more than enough Marvel lore that they could have written interesting things without being concerned about the film universe until it was appropriate. Happily, it's a pretty watchable and enjoyable show now, though. I think they're still too timid when it comes to larger-than-life concepts and characters, but they're getting there.
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Yeah, people keep bringing up Winter Soldier, but it's a poor excuse. It doesn't explain why they had a show about a cool high tech spy agency in a Superhero universe, and spent 12-15 episodes doing incredibly dull missions involving incredibly dull characters.
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irlZaphod posted:Yeah, people keep bringing up Winter Soldier, but it's a poor excuse. It doesn't explain why they had a show about a cool high tech spy agency in a Superhero universe, and spent 12-15 episodes doing incredibly dull missions involving incredibly dull characters. I'm sure there was a bunch of reasons why it turned out the way it did, I would love for one of the producers to write a behind-the-scenes expose in a few years time about the lovely time they had dealing with Disney/Marvel and the ridiculous restrictions they no doubt had to work under. But yeah, crushing corporate directives are no excuse for the show's milquetoast start. And I'm saying that as a fan who watched every single episode as they came out and kept coming back for more.
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I mean Centipede and whatever else, there was a reason we were all rolling our eyes and say "Why not just call them Hydra?". I think Coulson even made a reference to the Hydra logo of cut off one, two more take the place at some point before TWS. But changing the names of the evil orgs or calling people D-list super hero/villain names wasn't going to improve the show. I think the fault is that, rather than spend the first 12 episodes doing character development, they decided to make it a paranormal procedural show that they've since almost completely abandoned. I wouldn't call it a bad show but I have no real desire to go back and watch most of the first round of episodes other than the pilot and maybe the Graviton episode, which I thought was pretty good.
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irlZaphod posted:Yeah, people keep bringing up Winter Soldier, but it's a poor excuse. It doesn't explain why they had a show about a cool high tech spy agency in a Superhero universe, and spent 12-15 episodes doing incredibly dull missions involving incredibly dull characters. In fact, the main plot of the first 2 episodes this season (SHIELD traitor selling secrets leads to 084 and the aftermath of that) and their villain character that everyone seems to agree were pretty good could have been done in season 1 pre-Winter Soldier too. Obviously SHIELD being rebuilt by Coulson, Talbot/the government's part in the story and some other little bits wouldn't fit, but it's not like those couldn't have been replaced. The Winter Soldier release prevented the full reveal of the season 1 arc but it didn't make them do such dull episodes.
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Well, good thing SHIELD is pretty cool now guys
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notthegoatseguy posted:I think the fault is that, rather than spend the first 12 episodes doing character development, they decided to make it a paranormal procedural show that they've since almost completely abandoned. . Deep down I suspect every television executive wants all dramas to be episodic procedurals that viewers can drop in and out of at the drop of a hat and not feel like they have to catch up on a massive backstory in order to do so.
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howe_sam posted:Deep down I suspect every television executive wants all dramas to be episodic procedurals that viewers can drop in and out of at the drop of a hat and not feel like they have to catch up on a massive backstory in order to do so.
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howe_sam posted:Deep down I suspect every television executive wants all dramas to be episodic procedurals that viewers can drop in and out of at the drop of a hat and not feel like they have to catch up on a massive backstory in order to do so. Every tv show after Lost would imply the exact opposite.
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howe_sam posted:Deep down I suspect every television executive wants all dramas to be episodic procedurals that viewers can drop in and out of at the drop of a hat and not feel like they have to catch up on a massive backstory in order to do so. Execs love this because they can sell the show into syndication forever. Just look at Law and Order (which really perfected the formula) and stuff like CSI and such. BravestOfTheLamps posted:Every tv show after Lost would imply the exact opposite. Look at how many of those shows that tried to ape Lost were cancelled after barely one season.
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howe_sam posted:Deep down I suspect every television executive wants all dramas to be episodic procedurals that viewers can drop in and out of at the drop of a hat and not feel like they have to catch up on a massive backstory in order to do so. Lord knows that's what I want.
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Hell, NCIS is the highest rated show on US network TV.
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BravestOfTheLamps posted:Every tv show after Lost would imply the exact opposite.  clones that are populating network primetime these days.Almost all the popular and successful network shows are the standalone procedurals (that also, of course, come with your free dollop of overarching "mythology"): Blacklist, CSI: (all of them), NCIS (all of them), Castle, Hawaii 5-0, Criminal Minds, Scorpion, The Mentalist, Madam Secretary, Person of Interest, How to Get Away With Murder, even Gotham, etc. You have your more standard dramas like Grey's Anatomy and Scandal, but those are just glossy soap operas that you can still jump in on pretty easily. redbackground fucked around with this message at 21:20 on Oct 7, 2014 |
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redbackground posted:Ah yes, all the successful Well, consider me educated. I guess they just became white noise for me.
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To be fair, there's only one CSI running currently. Miami and NY died.
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Gaz-L posted:To be fair, there's only one CSI running currently. Miami and NY died. (and your point is taken, but they both aired for 10 and 9 years, respectively--not too shabby.) redbackground fucked around with this message at 21:29 on Oct 7, 2014 |
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Gaz-L posted:To be fair, there's only one CSI running currently. Miami and NY died. Not true, there's now CSI: Cyber! Ugh, too slow. Anyway yeah, procedurals are generally viewed as easier to syndicate and the most popular shows on TV are procedurals. So I think ABC would've loved it if AoS could've been NCIS: Shield.
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Brought up by someone else in the Flash TV thread, but here's our first look at Wentworth Miller as Captain Cold.
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Astro Nut posted:Brought up by someone else in the Flash TV thread, but here's our first look at Wentworth Miller as Captain Cold.
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twistedmentat posted:What? No parka? At least he doesn't have the terrible new 52 muscle shirt look. Also posted in the TV thread.
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Aphrodite posted:Starling is Vancouver. No winter. It's actually either Boston or San Francisco, depending on what era you want to land on. So increased chance of winter! e: Although they might have settled on "Seattle" at this point. Mulva fucked around with this message at 00:25 on Oct 8, 2014 |
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Boogaleeboo posted:It's actually either Boston or San Francisco, depending on what era you want to land on. So increased chance of winter! No, as in it's LITERALLY shot in Vancouver. Just like Smallville, Vampire Diaries, Supernatural, Stargate and basically any other genre show in the last 15 years.
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Gaz-L posted:No, as in it's LITERALLY shot in Vancouver. Just like Smallville, Vampire Diaries, Supernatural, Stargate and basically any other genre show in the last 15 years. I think Vancouver's best performance was when it played against type as "Seacouver" in Highlander: The Series.
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Metal Loaf posted:I think Vancouver's best performance was when it played against type as "Seacouver" in Highlander: The Series. Pfft, it took half the season off and Paris had to pick up the slack with it's natural French sophistication and sex appeal. And then they dropped Vancouver from the last season entirely because it wanted more money.
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I've heard it kept getting into big behind-the-scenes fights with Adrian Paul, but don't quote me on that.
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So the Flash pilot has wrapped up, and in its wake, we have our trailer for the series post-episode 1: https://t.co/esKmevTMug
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hup posted:How did no one mention Law and Order as a procedural? The king of procedurals? Except that Madkal did.
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hup posted:How did no one mention Law and Order as a procedural? The king of procedurals? redbackground posted:Except that Madkal did. As someone who basically used to watch 4 hours of Law and Order a day throughout my college years, and would continue to watch it in all versions to this day drat straight I would mention it.
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