NathanScottPhillips posted:In a time and place where the best hospitals in our modern nations are barely equipped to deal with Ebola and you guys seriously think a kennel is equipped? You wouldn't put the dog in a loving kennel, you would put it in isolation just like any possibly infectious patient. If we can't isolate one dog then we can't isolate another patient and we are pretty much all hosed anyway.
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Hospitals are barely equipped to do their best to keep a person with ebola alive without spreading infection. I think a lot of places are equipped enough to lock up a dog and throw kibble and water in once a day and see if it dies of it's own accord.
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Oct 8, 2014 16:16
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I don't care if prematurely killing the dog is a bad decision, it's a very, very unimportant decision.
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Oct 8, 2014 16:16
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Sheng-ji Yang posted:I don't care if prematurely killing the dog is a bad decision, it's a very, very unimportant decision. I don't think you have thought about the consequences of a dog being infected with ebola AND rabies. Killer ebola dogs running around the streets would destroy American society.
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Oct 8, 2014 16:20
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The Dallas patient has died. https://twitter.com/ReutersUS/status/519869150551093248
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Oct 8, 2014 16:21
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Sheng-ji Yang posted:The Dallas patient has died. I wish we hadn't lost those two days between when he first went to be seen and when he was finally admitted.
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Oct 8, 2014 16:24
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Sheng-ji Yang posted:I don't care if prematurely killing the dog is a bad decision, it's a very, very unimportant decision. Doing things to alienate a fairly large portion of the general public is unimportant? Sheng-ji Yang posted:The Dallas patient has died. RIP. Poor guy, if the hospital had gotten him into treatment faster he might have survived. At least the other contacts will get treatment quickly. AVeryLargeRadish fucked around with this message at 16:27 on Oct 8, 2014 |
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Oct 8, 2014 16:24
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Sheng-ji Yang posted:The Dallas patient has died. I still disagree with killing the dog, but now at least there's non-dog news. RIP Dallas ebola guy. Hopefully only memories of you remain, and not your ebola.
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Oct 8, 2014 16:25
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Sheng-ji Yang posted:I don't care if prematurely killing the dog is a bad decision, it's a very, very unimportant decision. It's been argued why this is not an unimportant decision a bunch of times, and the only counterpoint I've seen is 'well maybe if people were cool emotionless robotic philosopher-kings like me this would be as much of a non-issue as it deserves to be  '.Sheng-ji Yang posted:The Dallas patient has died. Is it okay to express sadness about this without being called racist? e: I can too easily see someone swooping in with 'oh, they count as human beings when they're in a western country, huh? What about all the people in Liberia?' Tehan fucked around with this message at 16:28 on Oct 8, 2014 |
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Oct 8, 2014 16:25
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Tehan posted:Is it okay to express sadness about this without being called racist? Well he was a black Liberian my assessment is yes
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Oct 8, 2014 16:26
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Sheng-ji Yang posted:I don't care if prematurely killing the dog is a bad decision, it's a very, very unimportant decision. typical human response. placing own species' life above all other forms. and why is it not possible to care about both humans and dogs? everyone seems to be choosing one or the other.
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Oct 8, 2014 16:30
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Sheng-ji Yang posted:Well he was a black Liberian my assessment is yes Then I'll weigh in with a tentative 'well, poo poo  '.After getting wrapped up in arguing about managing PR in the face of possible future outbreaks it's a bit jarring to be reminded that actual people are actually dying.
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Oct 8, 2014 16:34
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Ebola Roulette posted:Why would you not tell your doctors that? Did she not think that was kind of important? That interview contradicts what she told El País. quote:Her first contact with health authorities was on 30 September when she complained of a slight fever and fatigue. Romero Ramos called a specialised service dedicated to occupational risk at the Carlos III hospital where she worked and had treated an Ebola patient, said Antonio Alemany from the regional government of Madrid. But as the nurse’s fever had not reached 38.6C, she was advised to visit her local clinic where she was reportedly prescribed paracetamol. She was directly calling the occupational risk department at Carlos III. That means she was saying "I've been exposed to Ebola and I have a fever"; otherwise she'd have been calling somebody else.
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Oct 8, 2014 16:36
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Ninkobei posted:typical human response. placing own species' life above all other forms. and why is it not possible to care about both humans and dogs? everyone seems to be choosing one or the other. Maybe because the magnitude of one grossly outweighs the other and yet they're getting equal air time.
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Oct 8, 2014 16:37
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Tehan posted:Then I'll weigh in with a tentative 'well, poo poo hundreds of people are dying every day and it will soon by thousands. thats why the dog is unimportant
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Oct 8, 2014 16:37
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Sheng-ji Yang posted:hundreds of people are dying every day and it will soon by thousands. thats why the dog is unimportant Beep boop, human nature surrounding pets confuses me, boop beep.
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Oct 8, 2014 16:38
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AVeryLargeRadish posted:You wouldn't put the dog in a loving kennel, you would put it in isolation just like any possibly infectious patient. If we can't isolate one dog then we can't isolate another patient and we are pretty much all hosed anyway.
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Oct 8, 2014 16:40
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Sheng-ji Yang you loving racist, instead of sending money to MSF you choose to buy an avatar on a comedy forum. Even before this epidemic you could fully vaccinate an african child for the money you wasted getting what amounts to a virtual penis extender. You're more worried about your internet cred than the lives of millions of africans. Disgusting.Sheng-ji Yang posted:hundreds of people are dying every day and it will soon by thousands. thats why the dog is unimportant MeLKoR fucked around with this message at 16:42 on Oct 8, 2014 |
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Oct 8, 2014 16:40
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Sheng-ji Yang posted:hundreds of people are dying every day and it will soon by thousands. thats why the dog is unimportant We're still doing this? Okay. Please explain why the mismanagement of this issue that is getting ridiculous amounts of press won't worsen any future outbreaks by giving people a reason not to report possible ebola infections.
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Oct 8, 2014 16:40
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AVeryLargeRadish posted:RIP. Poor guy, if the hospital had gotten him into treatment faster he might have survived. At least the other contacts will get treatment quickly. Zeroisanumber posted:I wish we hadn't lost those two days between when he first went to be seen and when he was finally admitted. Wait, I thought that beyond hydration, pain management and blood thinners/thickeners at the right time there was nothing much a hospital could do? Nothing as in "doesn't affect survival rate meaningfully".
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Oct 8, 2014 16:42
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Grim Up North posted:Wait, I thought that beyond hydration, pain management and blood thinners/thickeners at the right time there was nothing much a hospital could do? Nothing as in "doesn't affect survival rate meaningfully". They had him on a ventilator and also dialysis.
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Oct 8, 2014 16:43
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bitcoin bastard posted:Beep boop, human nature surrounding pets confuses me, boop beep. Actually it doesn't since after volunteering at an animal shelter and seeing former pets who were thrown away because either it became too much of a bother to care for them or they simply aren't as cute as they once were sit in cages alone being passed over day after day by a small amount of people who simply cannot care for all the animals that come into the shelter until finally room has to be made and they are put down. I understand it completely.
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Oct 8, 2014 16:48
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Grim Up North posted:Wait, I thought that beyond hydration, pain management and blood thinners/thickeners at the right time there was nothing much a hospital could do? Nothing as in "doesn't affect survival rate meaningfully". The sooner you get the patient in treatment the sooner you can start compensating for the damage the symptoms do to their body. Also lowering the fever as much as possible helps slow damage to the body, especially the brain damage.
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Oct 8, 2014 16:48
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Grim Up North posted:Wait, I thought that beyond hydration, pain management and blood thinners/thickeners at the right time there was nothing much a hospital could do? Nothing as in "doesn't affect survival rate meaningfully". Supportive care is very important and can tilt the odds pretty significantly towards survival. Just getting fluid replacement and not having to lie in your own bloody poo poo is pretty helpful.
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Oct 8, 2014 16:49
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Grim Up North posted:Wait, I thought that beyond hydration, pain management and blood thinners/thickeners at the right time there was nothing much a hospital could do? Nothing as in "doesn't affect survival rate meaningfully". Catching it early enough seems to improve one's chances just because of the body damage hemorrhaging and fluid loss, etc can just kill you off alone.
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Oct 8, 2014 16:49
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Sheng-ji Yang posted:Here I made a thread to discuss the Ebola Dog scandal so we can actually discuss the epidemic in this one. You're a loving moron
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Oct 8, 2014 16:50
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AllanGordon posted:Actually it doesn't since after volunteering at an animal shelter and seeing former pets who were thrown away because either it became too much of a bother to care for them or they simply aren't as cute as they once were sit in cages alone being passed over day after day by a small amount of people who simply cannot care for all the animals that come into the shelter until finally room has to be made and they are put down. Some people don't care about animals so no one cares about animals but 300 thousand signed a petition to save an animal but it's just a stupid dog, oh god this is so hard. 
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Oct 8, 2014 16:57
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NathanScottPhillips posted:In a time and place where the best hospitals in our modern nations are barely equipped to deal with Ebola and you guys seriously think a kennel is equipped? If a dog kennel in the US was run with in the kind of conditions the Ebola treatment centers in west Africa were being run under the place would be condemned and the owners/management would be brought up on charges. It's an apples to oranges comparison but your average dog in the US or Spain probably lives much better with better access to healthcare than your average west African with Ebola. You can believe that is hosed up, it probably is but some numbers to keep in mind is the estimated spending on pet care in the US last year was $58.51 billion dollars which is well over 6 times the entire GDP of Sierra Leone.
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RIP Dallas Ebola Man, you tried. Hopefully nobody else was infected, I know we're getting near the end of the window where exposed people could become symptomatic. But if anybody was we're fuuucked, it's clear that complete mismanagement of this thing is not an African phenomenon.AllanGordon posted:Actually it doesn't since after volunteering at an animal shelter and seeing former pets who were thrown away because either it became too much of a bother to care for them or they simply aren't as cute as they once were sit in cages alone being passed over day after day by a small amount of people who simply cannot care for all the animals that come into the shelter until finally room has to be made and they are put down. Nice post dude, sounds like this kind of thing is very triggering for you and you have a lot of things you need to work through because now you're talking about completely irrelevant poo poo. Are you on a mission to kill all dogs now because you have seen the true face of the pet industry? Is that why you're so dead set on wanting this dog to die? Do you go around hunting them in the night? Or is it that you want people to release their ebola dogs into the wild so that you could be justified in doing so? Because that would be the best reason to execute this dog that anyone has posted in this thread.
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Oct 8, 2014 17:01
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bitcoin bastard posted:Beep boop, human nature surrounding pets confuses me, boop beep. It's not even that. He is butthurt that someone dares to care about a dog instead of the issues he deems more important and is advocating euthanizing it out of spite.
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Oct 8, 2014 17:03
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NathanScottPhillips posted:In a time and place where the best hospitals in our modern nations are barely equipped to deal with Ebola and you guys seriously think a kennel is equipped? Hospitals don't need a special setup to deal with Ebola. It would be nice if they could all have some awesome movie like area in which to treat it, but realistically, a regular old hospital room is fine. The important consideration for safety is minimizing contact with other people, something that a sign and a closed door can accomplish.
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VROOM VROOM posted:RIP Dallas Ebola Man, you tried. Hopefully nobody else was infected, I know we're getting near the end of the window where exposed people could become symptomatic. But if anybody was we're fuuucked, it's clear that complete mismanagement of this thing is not an African phenomenon. We are only "fuuucked" if someone else was infected but not caught in contract tracing. Even if everyone gets Ebola who lived with the dude, that's not an outbreak.
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Oct 8, 2014 17:06
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My Imaginary GF posted:What I'm seeing from the public health community is that 0-2 infections confirm current theories on transmission of ebola, while 2-10 infections are "oh poo poo" territory. One of the things which I hope is followed up on is all of the contacts for possibility of asymptomatic infection: would be interesting to know the numbers on those, and reassuring if 0 contacts development ebola while also 0 develop any antibodies to ebola. Reproduction numbers are an average across a population. They offer no protection on an individual level, if four people were exposed to ebola for a prolonged period there's nothing that's gonna inactivate their viruses just to make the reproduction number match. On a statistical population-wide level it balances out, there's some people who don't infect anyone at all, and then there's the people whose waste doesn't get cleaned up for a couple days and they spread it to several people. Nessus posted:Yes, but if the four people who lived with him get infected, this doesn't mean it's become some kind of super double Ebola, it means that living in close quarters with plague-ridden people or their filthy bedding may get you enplagued too. Exactly.
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Gantolandon posted:It's not even that. He is butthurt that someone dares to care about a dog instead of the issues he deems more important and is advocating euthanizing it out of spite. you mean the issue this thread is about? the issue thats killed thousands of people, on track to kill millions and was basically ignored in the west as an "African problem" until it reached our shores and possibly infected a dog? The west has been negligent to the level of the Rwandan genocide here, but suddenly the public mobilizes for the sake of a single dog. Its disgusting and disappointing. Epitope posted:Lots of us are tired of hearing about the dog, but you're not helping. You're posting about it more than anyone, and riling the rest of them up. Stop please. Yes I will. Sheng-Ji Yang fucked around with this message at 17:11 on Oct 8, 2014 |
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2014/10/08/texas-ebola-patient-has-died-from-ebola/quote:Thomas Eric Duncan died Wednesday morning in Texas, according to the hospital where he was being treated for Ebola. I'm sad that he died, and my heart goes out to his family. I can only imagine what they're going through.
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Sheng-ji Yang posted:you mean the issue this thread is about? the issue thats killed thousands of people, on track to kill millions and was basically ignored in the west as an "African problem" until it reached our shores and infected a dog? The west has been negligent to the level of the Rwandan genocide here, but suddenly the public mobilizes for the sake of a single dog. Its disgusting and disappointing. Lots of us are tired of hearing about the dog, but you're not helping. You're posting about it more than anyone, and riling the rest of them up. Stop please.
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Phobophilia posted:No it is not jesus loving christ stop posting. Read the post following the one you quoted and you will see you are right and I am wrong and go back to GBS.
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Epitope posted:Lots of us are tired of hearing about the dog, but you're not helping. You're posting about it more than anyone, and riling the rest of them up. Stop please. The point isn't to argue about the dog, the point is to prove who is morally superior due to having more rationals.
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I wonder what they are going to do with Duncan's body now? It seems unlikely that they can bury it or put it in the average crematoria. Who even gets custody of the body? Some sort of weird parental control over his next of kin child in the US? Liberia?
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Three Olives posted:I wonder what they are going to do with Duncan's body now? It seems unlikely that they can bury it or put it in the average crematoria. We deal with highly contaminated bodies all the time. For Ebola the CDC recommends burial in a hermetically sealed casket or cremation: http://www.cdc.gov/vhf/ebola/hcp/guidance-safe-handling-human-remains-ebola-patients-us-hospitals-mortuaries.html No embalming.
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