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bbf2 posted:Fitz turning the tables on Ward and turning down the oxygen was fantastic. He's been a wreck that everyone pities and no one takes seriously, and seeing him turn around and do something genuinely cold blooded and terrifying as an act of revenge was great. That whole scene was pretty fantastic. It almost makes me wonder what would be better - Fitz getting better, or becoming some sort of quasi-villain instead? CeeJee posted:How considerate of SHIELD to have a little tablet app to suffocate people in their holding cells. That kind of fits with the idea of SHIELD not being that different from Hydra though. I think they have different goals, but they utilize similar means. I have no doubt that torture is something that was routinely used by certain parts of SHIELD.
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So bets on Fitz eventually having to confront brainwashed Simmons? Seems an obvious way for their arcs to go. Same with Ward possibly having been unknowingly subjected to the procedure. Edit: \/ very true. Plus Ward did say the brainwashing is rare because it's unreliable. I was hoping there would've been a Bucky reference dropped. Mokinokaro fucked around with this message at 15:41 on Oct 8, 2014 |
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Mokinokaro posted:So bets on Fitz eventually having to confront brainwashed Simmons? Seems an obvious way for their arcs to go. But that goes completely against the flashback we saw last season. I can see him saying that he was and that is why he was loyal to them, but he is just full of poo poo.
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Mokinokaro posted:So bets on Fitz eventually having to confront brainwashed Simmons? Seems an obvious way for their arcs to go. Wards redemption (you and I both know it's coming) will probably be very Skye('s dad) focused. Most vanilla way to write it would probably be "Skye gets turned to the darkside by her dad because Coulson kept secrets from her. She trusts Ward a little because he told her some truth about her dad, who plans to do something bad. Ward gets through to Skye last second, safes the world and is now a shield agent again because shield is giving him a second chance as some grand gesture that they are so much better than Hydra." As for the Simmons arc, we already know that Adrianna Palick will appear as Bobby Morse, who is the head of security for Hydra before being turned into Mockingbird. My guess is that she will become Simmon's friend and get's turned by her.
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Am I the only one that thought the episode would end with Skye icing Simmons on accident (I thought maybe she was leaving the show)? All that talk about never killing anybody, never hesitating to pull the trigger, etc. and it all pulled up to.. Skye not-killing a guy with the powers of Iceman on a rampage. Granted I didn't want Simmons gone or anything, I think her new direction is cool, I just was waiting for it train wreck style, and it never showed. You know, basically what almost happened with May except "oops, I shot her" at the very least. ED: Not saying I'd preferred this, just that I thought it was coming. imperialparadox posted:Fitz getting better, or becoming some sort of quasi-villain instead? It will be a huge mistake if they fully heal his character, ever. He was honestly kind of bland before; plus he and Simmons felt like interchangeable characters more or less. He's far more interesting like this, and while he needs to get well enough to be useful to the team more consistently, I think it'd be a grave misstep to have him be 100% normal ever again. Blazing Ownager fucked around with this message at 16:55 on Oct 8, 2014 |
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Oct 8, 2014 16:52
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I'm gonna be very disappointed if anything Ward says has a different intent behind it than "God I wanna get out of this cell so I can be with my hydra pals again".
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Mymla posted:I'm gonna be very disappointed if anything Ward says has a different intent behind it than "God I wanna get out of this cell so I can be with my hydra pals again". Nah, it's been shown that Ward has laser-focus when it comes to his priorities. With Garrett gone, his priority is banging Skye.
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BTW the song at the start is "God Help The Girl" by Stuart Murdoch. Loved it.
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Mymla posted:I'm gonna be very disappointed if anything Ward says has a different intent behind it than "God I wanna get out of this cell so I can be with my hydra pals again". Why? Ward had no allegiance with Hydra, he was loyal to One dude. He is not a "true believer". Everything is a mission to him, literally the only thing/person he cares about now is Skye as his sociopathic rear end fell in love with her. What I would get pissy about is if Skye actually gets into a relationship with the dude.
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Dexo posted:What I would get pissy about is if Skye actually gets into a relationship with the dude. Yeah, that's pretty much what I meant. I just don't want Ward to turn out to be a Good Guy, No Really! And I prefer Skye when she's being an stone cold sniper to when she's crushing on Ward.
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It would be incredible and awesome if the show stuck with Ward being crazy person sociopath complete with him speaking his crazy person logic. That way every character and audience understands that he's bonkers yet understands the logic and motivation as far as his actions go.
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My guess is that they're gonna do it Sky's gonna feel bad about it and than go into a Inhuman fugue state and strangle Ward once he crosses the line again.
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Sithsaber posted:My guess is that they're gonna do it Sky's gonna feel bad about it and than go into a Inhuman fugue state and strangle Ward once he crosses the line again. Skye is going to be captured by her dad, the only one who can find her is Ward who they'll have to let out to find Skye and then he'll sneak off to be a reoccurring bad guy.
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Oct 8, 2014 21:35
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There is no way we make it through this season without Ward escaping. Either by his own initiative, or by Skye letting him out so he can take her to her father when events dictate that it is important to find him.
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imperialparadox posted:That kind of fits with the idea of SHIELD not being that different from Hydra though. I think they have different goals, but they utilize similar means. I have no doubt that torture is something that was routinely used by certain parts of SHIELD. Seriously. Both shield and hydra wanted to get Gill, but were willing to kill him if they couldn't. I wonder if the show will do more to showcase that their methods aren't really all that different.
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mikeraskol posted:There is no way we make it through this season without Ward escaping. Either by his own initiative, or by Skye letting him out so he can take her to her father when events dictate that it is important to find him. I'm a fan of Fitz going evil scientist and inadvertently (or not) releasing Ward plot line. As long as we avoid a Simmons gets brainwashed and then has amnesia when she's rescued plotline I'm happy.
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CAPTAIN CAPSLOCK posted:Seriously. Both shield and hydra wanted to get Gill, but were willing to kill him if they couldn't. I wonder if the show will do more to showcase that their methods aren't really all that different. I don't know if this is accurate. Do we know if they planned to kill him before Fitz found out he was brainwashed and already firmly in Hydras pocket? Killing a Hydra super villain isn't exactly the same as killing someone who wont join Hydra.
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Simmons will be brainwashed. Unable to do anything about it, Fitz joins Hydra. Eventually everyone joins Hydra and they take it down from the inside by becoming important directors.
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Elentor posted:Simmons will be brainwashed. Unable to do anything about it, Fitz joins Hydra. And they will all try to convince Skye that they did it for all the right reasons. Skydra 4 ever.
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FoF posted:I don't know if this is accurate. Do we know if they planned to kill him before Fitz found out he was brainwashed and already firmly in Hydras pocket? Killing a Hydra super villain isn't exactly the same as killing someone who wont join Hydra. True, though at the same time you start to see the potential for a Xavier's School for the Gifted/Brotherhood of Evil Mutants dynamic to draw those "Gifted" who really aren't that chuffed about joining SHIELD or HYDRA (which could easily be most of them) and decide to band together to enforce that decision.
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Elentor posted:Simmons will be brainwashed. Unable to do anything about it, Fitz joins Hydra. Everyone has a massive psychic flashback to that last season of Angel and reflexively forgets both shows exist as a self defense instinct. This has already happened twice.
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Skye being completely calm even after (potentially) killing a guy is great especially when contrasted with her heart rate going up after Ward said something about her father.johntfs posted:True, though at the same time you start to see the potential for a Xavier's School for the Gifted/Brotherhood of Evil Mutants dynamic to draw those "Gifted" who really aren't that chuffed about joining SHIELD or HYDRA (which could easily be most of them) and decide to band together to enforce that decision. I wouldn't be surprised if Marvel considers making an Avengers Academy show about characters like Hazmat and Reptil being trained by SHIELD.
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Potooweet posted:Everyone has a massive psychic flashback to that last season of Angel and reflexively forgets both shows exist as a self defense instinct. I will never forget the last season of Angel because of the awesomeness that was https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91zNLwwl6qU
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Does anyone else think it's weird that a former Shield agent, now working for Hydra, hasn't been under 24/7 surveillance that would find out that Simmons is having a social dinner with Coulson?
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So a pretty good run so far! I'm enjoying that the characters are being pushed more than last season and stuff is actually happening. I would have called you crazy if you'd told me last season that Ward is now actually worth watching. I'm a little worried about the direction the show is taking, while it's certainly far superior to last season, I'd rather have something that made the characters question their loyalty and deal with the constant crap thrown at them in a style more similar to Buffy or Dollhouse than the average spy thriller. I worry that if it keeps having character switching sides all the time they may start to feel like chess pieces rather than actual people. On a side note: anyone get a major Lost vibe from that opening sequence of Simmons? Just like the start of seasons 2, 3 and I think 5, we get a classic song (or in this case, a classic sounding song), a character going about their business, getting ready for the day then BAM! PLOT TWIST! THAT HAS BEEN SPOILED BY EVERY TRAILER! I kinda miss Lost...
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Jetfire posted:Does anyone else think it's weird that a former Shield agent, now working for Hydra, hasn't been under 24/7 surveillance that would find out that Simmons is having a social dinner with Coulson? Yeah that bothered me too. At the very least meeting at her apartment seems a very dumb option.
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Not really. When it comes down to it, practically everyone in HYDRA was an ex SHIELD agent technically. I imagine the post-movie makeup of HYDRA consists of agents whose HYDRA status was hidden from other agents, as well as people who shrugged and signed on with HYDRA for one reason or another. She probably got lost in the shuffle.
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PantsOptional posted:Not really. When it comes down to it, practically everyone in HYDRA was an ex SHIELD agent technically. I imagine the post-movie makeup of HYDRA consists of agents whose HYDRA status was hidden from other agents, as well as people who shrugged and signed on with HYDRA for one reason or another. She probably got lost in the shuffle. Also, Coulson has access to Tony Stark and Thor. He might've gotten into her place via some kind of cloaked gateway from Asgard or something.
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Coulson is the best spy boss ever. Not only does he buy the groceries, he also cooks dinner for you during debriefing.
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The MSJ posted:Coulson is the best spy boss ever. Not only does he buy the groceries, he also cooks dinner for you during debriefing. Nah, he's more of a dad figure at this point. The kind of dad that gets up at the middle of the night to scribble alien nonsense on the hallway walls after getting back from his afterlife-coma.
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johntfs posted:Also, Coulson has access to Tony Stark and Thor. He might've gotten into her place via some kind of cloaked gateway from Asgard or something. No, he doesn't. They think he's dead.
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They also mentioned they had no idea who was running S.H.I.E.L.D. right now too. So, Coulson may not be anyone to Hydra at this point.
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PantsOptional posted:Not really. When it comes down to it, practically everyone in HYDRA was an ex SHIELD agent technically. I imagine the post-movie makeup of HYDRA consists of agents whose HYDRA status was hidden from other agents, as well as people who shrugged and signed on with HYDRA for one reason or another. She probably got lost in the shuffle. Yeah, it was clear from the conversation with that Hydra subleader that they don't know Simmons was part of the team. As far as they know she was just a SHIELD scientist.
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As stated, they explicitly state they don't know who's running SHIELD now. They've gotta know she meets SOMEBODY though.
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PantsOptional posted:No, he doesn't. They think he's dead.
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It wouldn't really be worth it to take on a shitload of SHIELD agents if you had to also spend an even greater amount of manpower watching them all 24/7. Their vetting process is probably not really that rigorous though I'm sure it involved crap like interrogation and background checks. They just watch what people do in the context of their work, if they get suspicious look into it, and generally keep people in line with the threat of getting murdered or brainwashed or having whatever other evil poo poo they feel like doing done to them. Like if you double cross SHIELD they might lock you up, but if you double cross HYDRA they'll kill your family and perform freaky experiments on you until you die. And they love doing that stuff so they probably don't mind if a few secret agents slip in as long as they don't get too high up.
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So how come B.J. Britt is still a "guest star" and newcomer Nick Blood is in the main credits? Are they unintentionally spilling Tripp's eventual fate?
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DukeofCA posted:So how come B.J. Britt is still a "guest star" and newcomer Nick Blood is in the main credits? Are they unintentionally spilling Tripp's eventual fate? I thought Tripp was going to cameo in Avengers 2?
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Tripp is in Age of Ultron, so he isn't dying, but he may be leaving the team to go lead the Avenger Academy or whatever.
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DukeofCA posted:So how come B.J. Britt is still a "guest star" and newcomer Nick Blood is in the main credits? Are they unintentionally spilling Tripp's eventual fate? I think it's because he's already a full cast member on a second show (Being Mary Jane), as well as a couple movies. His contract and/or schedule might not allow him to be main cast on a second series. Then again, he actually has more appearances in Shield than the other show, so... I don't think he'll be killed off, if the credit for his Shield character appearing in Age of Ultron is accurate. Stabbey_the_Clown fucked around with this message at 04:39 on Oct 9, 2014 |
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